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Sep 18, 2021 12:49:22   #
Is this still available?
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Jul 20, 2021 18:36:58   #
burkphoto wrote:
If you’re on a Mac, try Final Cut Pro. It can run circles around the Mac version of Premiere Pro for most projects. It also has great built-in pro audio features. Windows users should use Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve.

Curtis Judd’s YouTube channels have some great audio training and equipment reviews.


Thanks! I'll check them out.
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Jul 20, 2021 16:10:28   #
burkphoto wrote:
Nice work!

If still photography is visual storytelling about a moment in time, then Video is visual storytelling with a timeline.

Audio is the most important part of communicating that story. Crafting good soundtracks is the secret to powerful filmmaking.


Thanks!

I am learning how to shoot video, work with audio and assemble and edit in Premiere. Lots of fun but lots of work.

The audio is the part I am least familiar with…
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Jul 18, 2021 23:49:25   #
TriX wrote:
Very nice work indeed.


Thanks!
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Jul 18, 2021 22:51:20   #
burkphoto wrote:
Sounds great! In your area, 1+0 makes perfect sense.

Just curious — what is your application? Video? Stills? Audio?…


I have been shooting stills for years(decades) but have recently started doing a lot of still composites and video work. I was surprised how much I am loving the video but the files are starting to add up and the composite files are also huge.

Once I started using 45MP bodies, my storage needs really increased.

If you'd like to look at some of my work, I do have a website (a work in progress) it is: www.atali.com

I don't have any videos on it yet because I am still learning.

Thanks.
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Jul 18, 2021 21:13:23   #
Hi everyone, sorry for the delay but I wanted to get back to you about my final decisions.

So, I went with the 48T OWC ThunderBay4.

After comments here, I went back to compare, RAID 4, RAID 5 and RAID 1+0. Here is what I came up with (NOTE: All of these descriptions are based on the above configuration, I don't know if they would be different using a different hardware and software combination).

RAID 4 and RAID 5 seem to be pretty similar except that RAID 4 should be used with SSD drives and RAID 5 should be used with HDDs. Also, RAID 4 will put the parity info on a dedicated parity disk and RAID 5 distributes the parity info across drives.

Since I have HDDs I was set to go with RAID 5 until I got to the point of setting up the RAID drive and in one of the notes within the software while setting it up, there was a note which mentioned that RAID 1+0 would be safer in case of a power outage. Since I live in Northern California (which is the land of rolling power outages) I chose to go with RAID 1+0, even though that only gives me 24T of actual storage. I think this is a worthwhile trade for me.

I also looked into cloud storage and have decided to go with BackBlaze because they are the only ones with affordable unlimited storage and I have a lot of data.

So that is my setup. A lot more work than I expected but I am relieved to have it all decided.

So far the RAID drive is super fast and staying cool even though it's been hot. I would definitely recommend this combination.

Thanks for all of your help!

Suzanne
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Jul 7, 2021 13:35:59   #
Hi All,

Thanks again for everyone who has contributed their knowledge on this topic.

Here is my update. I have ordered a an OWC 48T ThunderBay from B&H.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431796-REG/owc_other_world_computing_owctb3sre48_0s_48tb_thunderbay_4_raid_5.html

I am still debating whether to set it up as RAID 10 or RAID 5. Thanks to the comments here I specifically asked the OWC tech what he thought about the two types and he said that for Windows machines and/or hardware RAID that he would definitely recommend RAID 10 but since the OWCs come with SoftRAID, he thought that RAID 5 will give me some strong benefits.

I am purchasing the Enterprise version because, even though it is a bit more expensive, it should give me more reliability and durability (I have lost a drive once in my life and it was painful.)

I asked about buying 1 or 2 additional drives for future use and the tech said that I will need to wait to see which drives the unit comes with because all of the drives need to be the same size, brand, and speed. He also suggested that I wait until drive prices come down because they are having problems with stock because of the chip shortages.

While I am waiting for it to arrive, I now need to start on my search for cloud backup. Thanks to everyone who commented about that.

So far my thought are BackBlaze, Amazon S3, Google and Apple iCloud. Sounds like my biggest problem will be finding something that is reliable but will still take large amounts of data and be affordable (sounds like a pipe dream) I don't need to access the cloud data unless I have a failure on the drives.

Now I know why I put off doing this for so long!

PS. The OWC tech actually said that I had a pretty good handle on the parameters for RAID and JBOD! Thanks y'all!
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Jul 6, 2021 11:22:51   #
Beautiful!
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Jul 3, 2021 22:43:57   #
Thanks everyone for your replies.

I will be going offline until after I can speak with OWC on Monday. At least now I know what questions to ask.

I'll let you all know what I decide.
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Jul 3, 2021 20:50:44   #
Another question - sorry...

I currently have about 11T of data which includes my 2 external HDs and my laptop.

If I want to make sure that I have some room to grow, how many terrabytes should I buy for the RAID drives? (Knowing that I will be doing some video.) It sounds like I will most likely be losing from 25-30% of the drive space so I am thinking that a 48T array might be sufficient and a 64T array would probably be better.

Does that sound correct?
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Jul 3, 2021 20:47:17   #
jscorbin wrote:
SoftRAID has many features that improve the RAID system. For example, you can optimize the system for general workstation, server, digital video, digital audio, or digital photography.

While you're gathering data, I found the discussion of RAID from OWC to be quite useful, especially the sections on Levels, Uses, and Options. For example, RAID 1-0 is about 30% slower on writes than RAID 4 or 5.
https://www.softraid.com/raid/

In looking at items in their news section, a couple of other things I didn't know:
-- When you get an OWC system with the drives, they do a full certification of the drives before shipping. That is, they run the full certify process for every drive, checking read/write for every sector, which takes 1 to 2 days. The SoftRAID app can do this also, which they recommend for new drives if you buy them separately.
-- SoftRAID can also certify SD and other cards, which helps alert you if a card is starting to fail. Good to know before a photo shoot.
-- SoftRAID is integrated tightly with the macOS kernel, making it very efficient for reads and writes.

SoftRAID shows data on the hours of use, I/O errors, and SMART status (general health), which can help indicate when a drive is nearing the end of its life before it crashes. A SoftRAID icon in the task bar turns from blue to yellow or red if there are any errors. Here is a screenshot showing some of the error checking in SoftRAID on my system.
SoftRAID has many features that improve the RAID s... (show quote)


Thank you! Just spent some more time with the OWC and SoftRAID sites. Good to know that SoftRAID monitors disk health.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:01:50   #
Have been doing a little research into the OWC ThunderBay 4. Have any of you set this up using the Disk Utilities on the Mac or would I be better off using the SoftRaid software that comes with the ThunderBay?

Thanks!
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Jul 3, 2021 16:03:13   #
Thanks to everyone who has responded! Thought I'd give y'all an update...

I contacted Apple and they can't do a backup to 2 drives unless I manually disconnect the drives and switch them out so I would have to connect and back up Drive 1 and then disconnect those 2 drives and connect and back up Drive B. So that's a no go BUT using Disk Utility, I can set up RAID 0, RAID 1 or JBOD. I thought that is pretty interesting.

Apple also did not have any information about the RAID systems they sell because they aren't made by Apple.

Tried New Egg - they don't have any techs and can't give advice

Tried MacSales/Other World Computing - closed

B&H - closed

Adorama - closed

Best Buy - after 5 phone calls and multiple disconnects and transfers, I finally reached someone at the Geek Squad who actually knew what RAID is! Spent quite a bit of time with me and this is what we came up with - WD My Cloud PR4100 with Seagate Ironwolf 12T (the 16T aren't available...) it is only a 4 bay case so I was looking for larger drives but it is hard to find things right now.

I haven't purchased anything yet. I still want to contact some other places but at least I have one possible solution!

I guess I should also be looking at something like BackBlaze. I have shied away from it since the last time I looked at cloud storage, it was cost prohibitive.

I really appreciate everyone's advice and information. I feel like I am starting to understand this...
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Jul 3, 2021 00:13:49   #
TriX wrote:
all the JBODs I’m familiar with are enterprise/commercial grade and not cost effective for personal use unless you pick up a used one. Perhaps someone else has bought a consumer grade (with a fan) recently and can recommend. Pick one with an interface that matches what’s available on your Mac, and buy more slots than you need right now, both for a spare and future expansion. I do recommend you buy enterprise class drives such as the HGST/WD UltraStar - well worth the extra $ for the reliability.

Once you choose your HW and the number of drives we can discuss the optimum RAID level for speed and resilience. You may find this post on Apple useful: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252494089
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Thanks for the link! I will look into setting up Time Machine again. I tried at one point but had no success. This link should help.
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Jul 3, 2021 00:12:35   #
Gene51 wrote:
RAID is not specifically for backup. When properly implemented, it does provide redundancy and downtime reduction, but not backup in the traditional sense. If you need to have full time 24/7/365 access to your data with no downtime, RAID is great. As far was what level of RAID, I would not suggest anything less than 0+1 or 1+0. No one who cares about their data would implement RAID 5. It is slow, only has one drive for parity, and changes to the striped drives require an update to the parity drive, which diminishes its fault tolerance and overall performance. In a RAID 5, if one drive faults, the remaining two drives are completely vulnerable until the failed drive is replaced. In the other schemes there is double redundancy, therefore better fault tolerance. I would avoid software RAID for performance and reliability reasons.

However, neither of these provide a backup solution per se. Good backups create historical data sets, so if something goes wrong or gets corrupted you can go back several generations to get to the last version of a file before the fault. For efficient disk utilization, backups should be incremental, ie, only files that have been changed/added are actually copied. You don't need to make a complete copy of an entire drive to consider it backed up, so technically, you could use a smaller drive to back up a bigger drive, as long as the data being recorded is not bigger than the smaller drive. The drive capacity is not a factor here. There is a lot to know about backup, and unfortunately you are not likely to come by people who actually know what they are doing and will likely give you well-meaning but potentially dangerous advice. At the end of the day, your backup should have 3 copies, 2 of them local on separate devices, and one in a remote location.

A mirror image of your system drive should also be made periodically, in the event of theft, fire, flood, catastrophic failure, etc. so that you can rebuild the system drive to a similar computer. The issue of data security can be a rabbit hole, but one that anyone who uses a computer needs to venture into on a regular basis.
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Thanks! This is a rabbit hole for sure. I had no idea that there would be so many options/complications. I have been using google and youtube to try to get a better idea of the possibilities. Glad to get your comments about RAID 5 because that is what I was considering. What do you think about RAID 6 and RAID 10?

I like the idea of having full time access but need the redundancy also - and of course speed is always a concern.

What I had been using worked pretty well until I added the second external drive and started running out of room.

I do like the idea of having one case to contain the drives to clean up my desk and remove some of the extra cords that I have floating around. It looks like that could be solved with a RAID case or JBOD.

I am fairly software savvy but know very little about hardware. I was considering contacting B&H but have received some imperfect recommendations from them lately. I will still probably call them on Sunday.

I will also look for a computer website just to see if the advice and pricing are consistent. I would appreciate any website/company recommendations. Thanks.
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