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Dec 14, 2018 10:01:43   #
These folks have never been in a shooting situation. If they arm the teachers there are going to need a lot of body bags!



WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-ne-stoneman-douglas-draft-report-20181212-story.html

Armed teachers, stronger security and better law enforcement are needed to head off another school shooting like the one in Parkland, according to a panel reviewing the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The state commission investigating the shooting that k**led 17 people on Feb. 14 released a draft report Wednesday listing a series of failures by Broward County agencies and recommendations for avoiding a similar tragedy in the future.

The 407-page report, which is not final, found that deputies didn’t rush into the school to stop the carnage, and school staff committed numerous security breaches, including leaving doors unlocked and not calling a “Code Red” alarm quickly enough.

The panel also v**ed to include a controversial proposal allowing classroom teachers to carry guns in schools if they go through a se******n process that would include background checks and training. Such a change would require the state Legislature’s approval.

Right now, school systems are allowed under a guardian program to arm certain school employees, such as security guards, administrators or librarians.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a member of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission, said that program needs to be expanded to allow teachers to carry guns.

“In the ideal world, we shouldn’t need anyone on campus with a gun, but that’s not the world we live in today,” he said. “One’s not enough. Two’s not enough. We need multiple people in order to protect the children.”

The idea has already sparked concerns from Democratic U.S. Rep. Ted Deutch, whose district includes Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

“Teachers want to teach, not be armed for combat in their classrooms,” he said. “Law enforcement cannot push their responsibilities to make our communities safer on to civilians that should be focused on educating their students.”

Commission member Max Schachter, whose son was k**led in the shooting, cast the sole dissenting v**e. He said he’s heard from teachers who are opposed to the policy, and he said the commission should consider alternatives, such as hallway smoke cannons that would make it difficult for the k**ler to see.

Other controversial issues related to the shooting weren’t addressed in the commission’s draft report. It does not recommend new gun control policies. The commission also decided to stand back from some of its more expensive and elaborate proposals, such as metal detectors and bulletproof glass.

It also did not call for Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel to be suspended from office. That’s a decision the governor will make. Republican Gov.-elect Ron DeSantis, who will be sworn in on Jan. 8, has called repeatedly for Israel’s removal on the campaign trail.

Ryan Petty, a commission member whose 14-year-old daughter Alaina was k**led in the attack, said the initial focus should be on quick, low-cost improvements that could produce the biggest immediate gains, from increasing school security to making sure threats are taken seriously.

“This was the most preventable school shooting that I’ve ever seen data on,” he said. “This kid was screaming for help by publishing his intentions.”

The panel is recommending that the Broward Sheriff’s Office conduct an internal review of the performance of seven deputies who heard shots and failed to take steps to engage the shooter.

Deputies spent time retrieving ballistic vests and other equipment instead of rushing to confront the shooter, the report states.

That conduct was “unacceptable and contrary to accepted protocol under which the deputies should have immediately moved towards the gunshots to confront the shooter,” the report concluded.

The report also said that other deputies did respond properly.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, the chairman of the commission, said he didn’t see anything that Israel did that would rise to the level of “malfeasance or misfeasance.”

“He had some personnel that failed,” Gualtieri said. “Any law enforcement organization is going to have people that fail. And just because individuals fail doesn’t mean that the leader of the organization is a failure.”

The report calls on law enforcement agencies to craft policies making clear that shooters should be confronted. Broward County’s policy states that law enforcement “may” confront a threat, while other agencies have policies stating that they “shall” confront a shooter. Israel said he wanted his deputies to have discretion and did not want to encourage them to engage in “suicide missions,” the report states.

The report also found problems with command and control in the initial time of the crisis.

“There was abundant confusion over the location of the command post and the role of the staging area. This stemmed from an absence of command and control and an ineffective radio system,” the report said.

In a statement, Israel said he is reviewing the report.

“We will use it as a basis to conduct our own thorough investigation, and we’ll take appropriate steps to make any necessary improvements,” he said.

The panel wants every school district to craft detailed written policies for responding to a shooter on campus. The policies would make clear that any school personnel could call a Code Red alarm, signaling an immediate danger requiring children to hide behind locked doors. Hard corners, places where students could hide from a gunman, need to be created in classrooms, the commission said. And more funding needs to be allocated for upgrades.

Gualtieri said school districts need to face consequences if they don’t act quickly.

“There is a culture problem in the Florida schools, and the culture problem is that they view security as a thorn in their side, as a pain in their neck,” he said

Broward school officials say they are reviewing the report and have already made numerous safety improvements.

The report stressed the need for greater communication among agencies and adjusting privacy laws for information to be shared. Between the time Cruz was 3 years old in January 2002 and the time he was 19 years old in January, there were 69 documented incidents where Cruz threatened someone, engaged in violence, talked about guns or other weapons or engaged in other concerning behavior, according to the report.

The commission didn’t take the step of recommending the most costly school safety improvements, such as metal detectors and bulletproof glass. Instead, the panel referred those expensive items to the Florida Department of Education’s Office of Safe Schools for further review.

“Some of this stuff is going to be so expensive it’s unrealistic,” said Mike Carroll, former secretary of the Florida Department of Children and Families and a member of the commission. “But there’s some stuff in here that we really would encourage all schools to do.”

The final report will be presented to the governor and state Legislature by Jan. 1. The commission consists of law enforcement officers, public officials and parents of the murdered students. It will continue its discussions of the draft report Thursday.

Democratic State Rep. Jared Moskowitz, whose district includes the Parkland area, said he expects the report will play a key role in spurring change during the next legislative session.

“I think you'll see dramatic action from the Legislature and the governor-elect’s office,” said Moskowitz, who is leaving the Legislature to become the state’s emergency management chief. “The only one responsible for what happened is the parkland shooter, but several significant government failures contributed significantly. The legislature is going to look for accountability on that.”
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parklan... (show quote)
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Dec 14, 2018 09:59:35   #
funny this never came out in the Hillary witch hunt conducted by the GOP Congress!

I tend to this is a bunch of horse pucky!


FRENCHY wrote:
This is what actually happened. Please forward so that people know the t***h. -- Ron H.

Subject: B******i, The Rest of the Story

B******I AND THE MATCHING SERIAL NUMBERS

So here's the REAL story: Ambassador Stevens was sent to B******i to secretly retrieve US-made Stinger Missiles that the State Dept had supplied to Ansar al-Sharia in Libya WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission.

Sec State Hillary Clinton had brokered the Libya deal through Ambassador Stevens and a Private Arms Dealer named Marc Turi, but some of the shoulder-fired Stinger Missiles ended up in Afghanistan where they were used against our own military. On July 25th, 2012, a US Chinook helicopter was downed by one of them. Not destroyed only because the i***t Taliban didn't arm the missile. The helicopter didn't explode, but it had to land and an ordnance team recovered the missile’s serial number which led back to a cache of Stinger Missiles kept in Qatar by the CIA.

Obama and Hillary were in full panic mode, so Ambassador Stevens was sent to B******i to retrieve the rest of the Stinger Missiles. This was a "do-or-die" mission, which explains the Stand Down Orders given to multiple rescue teams during the siege of the US Embassy.

It was the State Dept, NOT the CIA, that supplied the Stinger Missiles to our sworn enemies because Gen. Petraeus at CIA would not approve supplying the deadly missiles due to their potential use against commercial aircraft. So then, Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus when he refused to testify in support of Obama’s phony claim of a “spontaneous uprising caused by a YouTube video that insulted Muslims.”

Obama and Hillary Committed TREASON!!

This is what the investigation is all about, WHY she had a Private Server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and WHY Obama, two weeks after the attack, told the UN that the attack was the result of the YouTube video, even though everyone KNEW it was not.

Furthermore, the Taliban knew that the administration had aided and abetted the enemy WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission, so they began pressuring (blackmailing) the Obama Administration to release five Taliban generals being held at Guantanamo.

Bowe Bergdahl was just a useful pawn used to cover the release of the Taliban generals.

Everyone knew Bergdahl was a t*****r but Obama used Bergdahl’s exchange for the five Taliban generals to cover that Obama was being coerced by the Taliban about the unauthorized Stinger Missile deal.

So we have a t*****r as POTUS that is not only corrupt but c*********d, as well and a Sec of State that is a serial liar, who perjured herself multiple times at the Congressional Hearings on B******i.
Perhaps this is why no military aircraft were called upon for help in B******i: because the administration knew that our enemies had Stinger Missiles that, if used to down those planes, would likely be traced back to the CIA cache in Qatar and then to the State Dept’s illegitimate arms deal in Libya.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115


More Than Half of US Citizens DO NOT KNOW HOW CROOKED OBAMA & HILLARY REALLY ARE!!!
This is what actually happened. Please forward so ... (show quote)
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Dec 14, 2018 09:57:44   #
Ah, that is true but many are ignorant and unread and it seems those are the ones who post that flawed analysis of why civilizations fail!



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Rose42 wrote:
Who are you trying to impress? KISS You are over-analyzing and over-thinking. You consistently call others stupid which is patently ridiculous. No one is stupid here. Some are locked into their beliefs - as you are - and can be extremely hard headed - as you are - but that doesn't make them stupid.
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Dec 14, 2018 09:56:23   #
citation


letmedance wrote:
Wild pig story is true, .
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Dec 14, 2018 09:49:48   #
There was no outcry because it is a stupid demand.

It is as stupid as make america great again!
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Dec 14, 2018 09:41:27   #
Seems to me distance of viewer from image has great impact on this question.
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Dec 14, 2018 09:38:03   #
Some people in the democrat party have but they do not represent the party by any stretch of the imagination but then again the GOP has become a party of f*****ts and that is why they lost the house last month via an overwhelming defeat.
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Dec 13, 2018 12:28:43   #
thank you this is great
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Dec 12, 2018 09:57:45   #
I fear you have put your foot in your mouth. I believe some 26 miles of wall has been built.

But, regardless - why are American taxpayers you included going to have to pay for a wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for! Some 68 Percent of the public does not see the need for a wall! And we ask, why should we pay for a wall Mr President that you said MEXICO would pay for!!!!!

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11*675892744/fact-check-trump-says-a-lot-of-wall-has-been-built-as-he-demands-we-build-more
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-border-wall-already-being-built-construction-begins-texas-4-1135603

skylane5sp wrote:
WTF is that supposed to mean? Can't you just admit you put your foot in your mouth when you rabidly stated that Trump 'lied his ass off' and that "0" new wall had been built?
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Dec 12, 2018 09:47:36   #
Now that is funny!

What leads you to that conclusion except for your ignorance!

I think it is Trump who does not care about the border guards since he is pulling some 1,500 soldiers off the border!
www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/12/10/some-us-troops-on-the-border-to-leave-this-week-about-3000-will-stay/



idaholover wrote:
Only someone who doesn't give a crap about the lives of the border enforcement people would ask that.
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Dec 12, 2018 09:44:33   #
Interesting comment

Can you name one person who lost their healthcare?
Can you give me one person who could not go to the doctor of their choice?

And if that is the whooper to end all whoppers - tell us: How many people had to change Doctors since the ACA went into effect? How many people in your family had to change doctors? Of all the people we know - how many people had to change doctors? What percentage?

In short, Idaho you can't and this mantra is as big a lie as Mexico will pay for the wall!



idaholover wrote:
And the guy who destroyed millions of peoples health care and quality of life gets a pass. You da cult boi!
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Dec 12, 2018 09:32:09   #
None the camera you have will do everything a new camera will do. It is not the camera it is the photographer!

Jandjeby14 wrote:
I have a Nikon D5500 and like it. What cameras would be one step and two steps up and what would I get that is better than what I have now? I take flowers, covered bridges and landscapes and and occasional birds and use a Tamron 18-400 most of the time. John
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Dec 12, 2018 09:31:00   #
Idaho:

Perhaps you can explain why the US Government should have to be shut down because Mexico won't pay for a wall the President said they would pay for!
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Dec 11, 2018 09:29:27   #
Read the indictments and there is the proof! Just whom to you think Individual #1 refers to? Sam the butcher!


Elaine2025 wrote:
Little Tard, thanks for posting the load of crap. Might want to wait until there is some actual proof instead of hyperventilating like a little girl in anticipation. Just to clue you in......an op ed is just another i***ts opinion that other less intelligent people call t***h.
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Dec 11, 2018 09:24:32   #
You mean you took a mortgage deduction and a deduction for each child! Your great grandparents didn't!! I guess it is the welfare you like that separates good welfare from bad welfare and who gets what! If being an i*****l i*******t is so bad why not live on what they earn and take the welfare - wh**ever that is - and improve your lot!


Elaine2025 wrote:
Steal breakfast and lunch from school kids? You mean the breakfast and lunch that parents no longer supply because the progressive liberal state will do it for them? It is still on the dole.
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