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Jan 9, 2016 13:28:22   #
Reinaldokool wrote:
Stick with the aps-c unless you plan on papering a wall. The so-called full-frame really offers no advantage except theoretical. Of course people who have them are supporters. They've just mortgaged their home to buy it and spend a lot of time in the gym pumping iron so they can carry it. And spent even more money on over-priced and over-weight lenses. So they are psychologically forced to defend their decision.

But reality is that you won't get any better images.

If you are really anxious to up your game, you need to go to a Hasselblad or at least a Pentax 645Z. Otherwise, invest in a better button-pusher.

:-D
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Part of what is driving my concern a little with the cropped frame is a couple weekends ago I went down to a place where there are a lot of bald eagles to get some eagle pictures. I set my camera to auto ISO to let it decide on the ISO. Well it took most the pictures at 1600 ISO. When I got home and put them on the computer they were really noisy and pretty much garbage. So if I can't take pictures at 1600 ISO on my D7200 that really seems to limit me as to what I can do with it. Also it seems most the lenses I have now are FX lenses and will probably replace the 18-200 with the 24-120 which is also an FX lens. So then I start wondering if all my lenses are FX then why not have an FX body that can utilize them to their fullest. I want to get a wide angle lens but if I go with FF then I would rather get a FX wide angle. So I need to decide whether to get an FF body or stick with the DX body. I would definitely keep the 7200 as backup and for some of those really long telephoto pictures. Right now my backup body to my D7200 is a D90 LOL. These are just the thoughts that are driving my question on this.
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Jan 9, 2016 11:40:20   #
orrie smith wrote:
you may want to consider the d750 also, controls are very similar to the d7200 and reviews rate it higher that the d810. as for the lens, always save a little more and purchase full frame lenses (FX). they may cost a little more to purchase, but if you ever decide to change to a full frame camera, you will not need to reinvest in lenses. FX lenses will work with DX cameras, but DX lenses will not work as FX lenses on a full frame camera. that said, the d7200 will work really well with landscape photography, you just need to calculate before purchasing a lens, example, if you want 35mm, buy a 24mm or 28mm lens. 24mm will give you about a 36mm result, 25mm lens will give you about a 42mm result.
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I agree for everything but wide angle. A FX wide angle isn't that wide on a cropped frame sensor.
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Jan 8, 2016 21:07:49   #
Apaflo wrote:
The 18-200mm is not exactly a professional quality lens, and it isn't doing your camera, even the D7200, any favors... Pick up a 24-120mm f/4 lens to replace the 18-200mm as a walk around lens. The long end is a little harder to choose though. An older 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-D (the two ring version with a tripod foot) is the least expensive, but the 70-200mm f/2.8G VRII is the one you really want, and it is not inexpensive at all. Skip the original 70-200mmf/2.8 G VR, and choose one of the other two.

The only place where your D7200 has an advantage over the D810 is if you cannot get close enough or get a long enough lens. Hence if what you really need is an 800mm lens with a 1.4X TC ($20,000 worth of glass), the D7200 will actually produce a better (higher resolution) image than will the D810. That could be the case with your interests in falcons and hawks. Ideally though, you are able to get close enough for the D810 with that 150-600mm lens. (Large birds do not fly fast enough to make the speed difference significant.)
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Great advice, thank you very much. I was just wondering though, if I get the 24-120mm to replace the 18-200mm DX lens, would I really need the 70-200mm? My Tamron is 150-600mm so I would have a little gap between 120mm and 150mm but does that really matter that much? It seems that anything in that range would just be a little smaller in the 120mm or a little bigger in the 150mm and I could always move closer or farther from it. So I'm just wondering if I would really even need the 70-200mm at all?
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Jan 8, 2016 18:53:07   #
[quote=moonhawk][quote=Apaflo]
(Large birds do not fly fast enough to make the speed difference significant.)[/quote}

Some falcons can fly almost 200 MPH.[/quote]

Only when they are stooping. When they are just flying normally they are about like any other medium size bird.
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Jan 8, 2016 18:44:42   #
Bill_de wrote:
Don't try to scare him off. They are down to just over $16,000, including, a tuned to each lens, 1.25X TC. If you buy from B&H you get $600+ rewards credits. That brings the lens down to < $16,000. :)

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Haha no sweat except it will be pretty hard to sell my wife on the idea that I need a lens that costs as much as an inexpensive car.
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Jan 8, 2016 17:49:39   #
bdk wrote:
the 7200 is a great camera, but if your not happy with a crop sensor then why do you think you would be happy with a d500 ? My vote is buy better glass or go to the 810 or the 750 maybe which is getting higher marks than the 810


I'm very happy with the D7200. I really enjoy getting out and shooting pictures with it. I don't do a lot of big landscape pictures right now as the 18mm is the best I can currently do. So I had considered buying a wide angle for the D7200 (the Nikon 10-24mm probably) and stick with it but everyone says the FF cameras are better for landscape so I thought if I'm going to buy a wide angle lens maybe I should buy the D810 and a wide angle for it rather than the D7200. Thus my question as to which option I should go with. If I stick with the crop frame then instead of spending the money on a D810 I could probably get a D500.
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Jan 8, 2016 17:44:31   #
Apaflo wrote:
Frankly I would suspect that if you purchase a D810 that D7200 is going to start collecting dust.

When would a D7200 produce a better quality image than the D810 given what you are shooting???



Wildlife with the 150-600mm possibly including flying birds. Also I have an 18-200mm DX lens that won't really work on the FX camera so I would have to replace that with something for general use. I don't want to have to buy the D810 and a bunch of lenses all at once. That would cost a lot of money. So my thought was to use the D7200 for general purpose and wildlife and use the D810 for landscape and macro.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:37:06   #
Violameister wrote:
I used to be a big advocate of a good rather wide angle lens for landscape photography. I have lately found that if my wide angle is not wide enough, I can always do the same thing in panorama mode with excellent results. Therefore not needing an ultra wide angle lens any more.

That might be a good argument for getting the full frame lens for the future even if it is not super wide angle when used with the crop sensor camera.


Hmmm that's a very creative idea. I never thought of doing something like that.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:35:35   #
Apaflo wrote:
Might be true, might not too! If "wildlife" is birds in flight, go for the speed of the D500. If "wildlife" is a bird in the tree, floating on water, or something like an alligator or buffalo, get the D810.

Also it's not that fast moving birds in flight can't be photographed with a D810. It isn't that you'll get no good shots. Just half as many. It makes a big difference if that puts food on the table and shoes on the kids. If the main purpose is to hang a picture in the hall... get a D810.

If your main purpose was to take pictures of basketball games and hang even just one of those in the hall, I'd say go for a D500.
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That makes sense. I'm a falconer so am quite interested in taking pictures of hawks and falcons too. So maybe the answer is to get the D810 next and use my D7200 for birds and faster wildlife and then the following year upgrade my D7200 to the D500 :-)
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Jan 8, 2016 15:06:31   #
Bill_de wrote:
Robert is correct, technically. But the fact remains that the outcome, the all important landscape photograph, will be better served by a full frame sensor. That's particularly true if the pixel count is high enough to allow cropping after the shutter is pressed, instead of before.

In practical terms, a 14mm lens on a ff sensor will show more of the landscape. As Apaflo said, the D500 is built for speed, but most landscapes stay put, so there is no sense paying for speed. The D810 will show more with any lens than a cropped sensor camera with the same lens. It also gives you plenty of pixels to crop if desired.
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It's starting to sound like I need to choose whether I prefer wildlife or landscape in order to make this decision. Sounds like the D500 would be the better choice if I want to do more wildlife and the 810 would be better if I want to do more landscape. Tough decision.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:52:23   #
Apaflo wrote:
If, and only if, your budget an tolerate the hit, a D810 is a better choice for landscape work, especially with a wide angle lens. It is probably better for macro, but that depends on what kind of macro work you do. Wildlife is similar, as that depends on how much you can spend on long focal length lenses.

The D500 is targeted at those who would do well with a D5 and don't have deep enough pockets. It shoots fast, which is great at a baseball game and for bird photography and that sort of wildlife. Nothing about the D500 is better than a D810 for landscape or portraits, except of course the lower price.

On a more general basis, all those pixels available with a D810 are a double edged sword. They take up a lot of space, and processing large images is slower. But... if you tend to crop or tend to print large, those pixels are absolutely wonderful.

Which is best for you is a decision only you can make.
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I get a bonus each year from work so I can definitely afford either option. I currently have a Tamron 150-600mm lens and a Sigma 150mm Macro lens. Both those will work on a FF camera although the Tamron will get the equivalent reach of 900mm on the crop frame so photographing wildlife (including birds) would probably be better with that and the D500. The D500 and a 10-24mm wide angle would definitely be much cheaper than the 810 and a 14-24mm wide angle. But I'm trying to keep the future in mind. I don't make money right now with my pictures but would like to in the future if I ever get good enough.

I guess I'm mostly wondering if the IQ with the 810 would be significantly better than that of the D500 to justify the extra $2k I would likely end up spending for it and the lens.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:25:58   #
robertjerl wrote:
Just get a full frame wide angle so it will work if you ever do go to a FF body. It will give the same angle of view on a crop frame body. It will be a bit more expensive than a crop lens. But you won't have to replace it if you do get a FF body.


The only problem with that is FF wide angle lenses usually start around 14mm. On a crop frame that is like 21mm so while it is still considered wide angle it isn't really all that wide. Or does that not really matter?
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Jan 8, 2016 14:07:29   #
I am an amateur photographer and currently have a Nikon D7200. I do primarily landscape, macro and wildlife photography. Currently I don't have a wide angle lens. I've been using the 18-200mm lens for anything I would normally use a wide angle for (at 18mm). I've heard full crop cameras are better for landscape so I've been considering buying an 810 with a wide angle lens for landscape photos. But now I see the D500 coming out that looks really nice so I'm wondering if I should just stick with the crop frame and upgrade to the D500 and just get a crop frame wide angle lens instead of the full frame 810. Which would be the better option?
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Jan 6, 2016 22:52:22   #
I recently got this Mind Shift Gear backpack and love it. It fits carry-on and can carry a lot of gear. Also isn't obvious it is carrying camera gear.

http://www.mindshiftgear.com/products/backlight-26l
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Jan 1, 2016 13:38:12   #
What about using a circular polarizer filter?
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