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Feb 4, 2022 12:19:33   #
I guess this was supposed to be humorous. But nothing to do with the discussion. Kudos for trying.

We may stand on the mediocre shoulders of those who came before and have become mediocre as well. Only giants stand on the shoulders of giants.

Cany143 wrote:
Blah, blah, & blah. This talk of beauty and subjectivity and judgements are largely moot (since the inception of FacePlant, InstaGrab, and whatever all of those other sundry BatchitCrayCray 'I Wanna Be Me' sites that burst forth on the [modern, as in "2022" or thereabouts] scene with a vengence.) I mean --crikey!-- haven't you read this week's ratings? Do PLEASE get with it, won't you?

Why the F is it necessary to cite the paintings of Van Gogh (and his contemporary's lack of beholden-ness to Vinnie's off-kilteristic art) when we should be citing/critiquing/swooning over the Work of eminent artists and ptfoggerferts like Esakia Jones or Whiplash Smith? Folks of TODAY, and luminaries of the NOW. I mean, hey, let's get real!

We all stand on the shoulders of those who've come before us. Though why we gotta dig up their graves to do so is beyond me. And it's probably beyond the ken of anybody else that isn't a necrophiliac, either.
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Feb 3, 2022 21:16:08   #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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Not so. There are elements of beauty which transcend simple personal taste to heighten the overall objective experience as well as the subjective. Certainly there are styles and works of art at museums might get taken down and stored in the basement if not appreciated by the masses at any one time. And some arts--such as music---is more subjective, yet still has its elements as well. Proper understanding of composition and application comes before creating great art. Yet those elements can well be intuitive to talented artists.----ew
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I don't see that. Beauty is a personal subjective judgement. It doesn't exist in a vacuum because it satisfies some objective criteria. It needs someone to see or hear it to make that judgement. And all those judgements are personal opinions. What one person sees as beauty another may see as ugliness. It is neither. It's whatever an individual thinks it is, to that person. Paintings that Van Gogh's contemporaries judge to be ugly are now judged priceless masterpieces. They are as beautiful as people think they are.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:45:49   #
srt101fan wrote:
But I hope you agree that portrayal of "beauty" is only one aspect of photography. A lot of art is not beautiful!
Absolutely. But it doesn't appeal to me. I can understand it intellectually but can not enjoy it. For example the photo of the Vietnamese general shooting a Viet Cong in the head is an iconic photo, as is the naked girl running from napalm. But I wouldn't hang them on my wall. More than 50 years ago I saw a movie called Mondo Cane. Technically it was a bit of a masterpiece. But it was the most revolting movie I have ever seen, and the most revolting images stuck with me for half a century. Andy Warhol's Chelsea Girls had a big impact on me. It was a drab movie about junkies in a run down hotel. But most of the audience was gone by the time the film ended.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:26:24   #
User ID wrote:
There is no indication or evidence that Sinatra was seriously interested in music. There is evidence to the contrary. He was certainly a tremendous performer ... no denying that !!!
That's absurd. You can't spend a lifetime becoming one of the greatest vocalists in the world without being interested in music. You can't know anything about singing, phrasing, vocal quality, mic placement, tempo, breathing, keys, arrangements, instrumentation to make a statement like that.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:20:13   #
User ID wrote:
Beauty matters ? It’s a parameter of good photography, or portraiture in particular ?

I’ll agree that the impression is in the eye (meaning “mind”) of the beholder.
I think beauty does matter. But one man's treasure is another man's trash. I have had a number of prints and original paintings framed and hung on my walls for decades because I think they are beautiful. That's why I bought them and hung them, and enjoy looking at them. Other's don't see it at all. Neither I or anyone else evaluates them based on critical parameters. Either they like them or they don't. It's purely subjective.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:12:15   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I can handle it when folks write inaccurate information about things, technical matters and people they really don't know anything about. Most folks are smart enough to sort out the truth for the BS.

What I can't understand is how so many folks on the forum, including the admin, tolerate blatant rudeness, imbecilic behaviour, and purposeful disruption by these 2 actors. What's worse is some people seem to take pleasure in sparring with them and causing and stimulating more chaos.

Just because the forum is an online resource, why should this kinda nonsense be tolerated? It's disgusting when folks show such disrespect for each other, the subjects and topic they are deviating from, and the reasonable expectation of peace and enjoyment of other members.

There are so many aspects of photography that deserve discussion, analysis, exchange of ideas and real opinions besides equipment issues which are important as well. Why waste space and tie with childish, nasty and foolish personal attacks?

Come on y'all normal folks- report your disapproval to the admin, that is unless you enjoy this stupidity! Maybe he will do something about it.
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Lack of admin censorship is the main reason I am still on UHH. Other forums have been turned into bland, insipid, vanilla, echo chambers due to admin censorship, lest anyone be offended, go off topic, or express any negative emotions.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:01:34   #
srt101fan wrote:
I agree with you but fail to see the connection to what I said.....
I got the impression that you felt no one could be seriously interested in photography without knowing it's history and famous photographers' works. To me that was actually not a serious interest in photography, but a serious interest in the history of photography. I could see someone spending years doing photography, maybe becoming a master at it, without having studied it's history or the work of many of it's famous practitioners of the past. Do you think Frank Sinatra studied Bach? Was he not seriously interested in music?
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Feb 3, 2022 16:25:13   #
srt101fan wrote:
Is it possible to be seriously interested in photography and have spent time looking at its history and not have come across Karsh's work?
Being seriously interested in something is not the same as having studied it's history. You can get a degree in Art History without ever having created any art. It's interesting to appreciate art, but that doesn't allow you to create it.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:20:08   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I disagree, but your observation is interesting. Some years ago there was a Karsh exhibition in New York. The art critic from the New York Times gave it a scathing review. He wrote that the subjects all looked like "hopeless gargoyles" and all the prints were dark and dreary. I disagreed with that too but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

In certain circles, Karsh was very well known and respected and perhaps in others not. Nobody says he was a household word.
Thanks. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:17:41   #
burkphoto wrote:
1) Very few people use Blu-Ray or DVD players these days. Most are using streaming services (Netflix, Hulu, Apple TV, YouTube, Vimeo...)

2) 4K is quite common on YouTube and other sharing sites. It's fast becoming a standard.

3) 4K has enough resolution to handle a 50% crop and still be (effectively) HD resolution. This makes it wonderful for 4K capture, Full HD release, because you can crop, pan, digitally zoom, and software stabilize your footage, all in post-production.

4) Most of the better new computers come with free video editing software of some sort. For example, all Macs come with iMovie, which is directly compatible with their Final Cut Pro application. The latest 14" and 16" MacBook Pro computers are more than capable of editing multiple streams of 4K, and some of them can handle multiple streams of 8K.

YouTuber, musician, and singer-songwriter, Mary Spender, has perhaps one of the most interesting demonstrations of the power of new technologies including 4K video. She reviewed a new computer in this 4K video, but more than that, she created a music video with it and her 4K capable mirrorless cameras. Here's the link. Of course, she is a professional, and makes it look easy, which it is not. It takes a long time to acquire the skills to do this:

https://youtu.be/H3BGFWoqA9E
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How did she get a black leather jacket on in the finished video? She didn't have it on in the studio. Also at one point in the final video her hair blew in the wind. How did that happen?
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Feb 3, 2022 16:06:56   #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
And in the past---most of us have been quite satisfied watching DVDs purchased or watched from DVD stores. And at 1/5the resolution of 4x.-----
Once used to HD, DVD's look terrible. A few years ago I watched a DVD of a wedding and I was amazed at how clunky it looked.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:47:44   #
I don't like his portraits at all. They are all dark and look artificially posed. He was probably a fad celebrity portrait photographer. People haven't heard about him for a reason. His work is not appealing.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:39:24   #
4K looks better than 2K on a 2K screen. It is sharper. Just look at youtube videos and view them on a 2K screen at 2K and 4K youtube settings. You should see the difference.
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Jan 27, 2022 21:15:43   #
I'm going to guess the boy was in motion. At 100% resolution the subject has sort of a pixelated border and the eyebrows and hair is not distinct, and if you look at his irises they are not perfectly round, have a slightly irregular shape.
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Jan 17, 2022 18:07:34   #
Agreed. Spectacular paintings.

Thomas902 wrote:
jesse thank you so much for sharing the link to your web portal...
I'm totally blown away with your BIO... https://www.jessanderson.com/about
You not only are a gifted artist but also a true gentleman and an accomplished scholar/instructor.

UHH is a far better place with talent like yours present to provide inspiration as to what is available to those who follow the promoting that come from within.

Wishing you all the best on your spectacular journey Jesse!
Cheers! Thomas
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