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Oct 14, 2011 10:55:09   #
dongrant wrote:
One thing that bothers me about Picasa is that it seems rather limited. I can't find a detail description. I will admit that most free software is limited. Also Picasa seem to be less about real editing of photography an more of preparing you shot for the web or a scrapbook. You may want to check out Paint.net with or with out the plug-ins simple but not to limited for a beginner and can be expanded with plug-ins.

I have a number of commercial editors and use GIMP for a good bit of stuff as well, but for beginners I highly recommend staying away from GIMP and Photoshop of any kind(not free anyway). Keep it simple. I have an number of friends that use both Photoshop and GIMP and I have spent a good bit of time showing them how to use the products Neither is user friendly to the general user and both seriously need redesign before they are suitable to the general public. Yes Bob, I know that CS5 is sold to the general public, but so was the Chev Vega. And yes I will use them if it suits my needs, but after years I know my way around in the software. Keep beginners away from overly complicated software.
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Of course one thing, and someone did bring it up earlier, is the matter of OSs. Is this course only going to be Windows or is it Windows and Mac? I will assume that Linux is not to be an option, though if I was going of a not-OS specific course I would include it, Just because it is an excellent, well used, free OS. But I believe that may not be relevant to the course, just a question. Again what is the course to be? A few details would help because the good recommendations depend on that information.
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Oct 14, 2011 10:40:01   #
JimH wrote:
One must re-read the Original Post before suggesting PhotoShop or any of it's derivatives. The OP is looking for: 1) Free, and 2) Online. This limits one's choices.

The OP has not weighed in here again yet, but given that I taught computer classes at the community college level for 17 years, I would not be surprised to learn that his/her class makeup is NOT your typical college student, and is probably going to be oriented towards the 'less-sophisticated' end of the scale. If that is true, then not only are Photo/Gimp-shop way overkill, but unless this is very long course, there is no way one could even scratch the surface.

I am not debating those programs breadth of function and capabilities. But I don't think they're necessarily right for a BEGINNING, FREE course.
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Thank you for pointing out what seems to have been missed by others. It would be nice though to know the nature of Mr. DeSario's students and the expectations from the course.
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Oct 14, 2011 10:28:48   #
PalePictures wrote:
Russ


I agree with that. I suspect that for my next system I will return to a Linux OS and run the Windows apps virtually.[/quote]
I run unbuntu on my server
I used to run redhat
Red hat used to have licensing problems with suns java engine
I think they finally got that cleared up
I have also played around with susi and cents
My recommendation would be unbent
The problem with linux is you have to be a bit technical to get by
I got rid of my last windows albacore 3 years ago
There are a few applications that windows has that you can't get on a Mac
There's usually a substitute but not always
From my research photo slideshow software is better on windows
The vendor doesn't support Mac
The name escapes me now
Maybe some body
Can refresh my memory
I use adobe
After effect though its a tough learning curve and takes more time but it's very powerful

Russ[/quote]

I have ran a number of Linux distributions before. At the time of my first install (I always do my own Linux installs) it was the mid 90s and at that time you had to disassemble your box to get the manufacture and model numbers in order to determine which drivers to install. I also would do complies, builds and install and wrote some of my own software (usually small apps). I normally will run from a terminal when on a Unix/Linux box. I learned general purpose computer on a Unix System. So I do expect to much of an issue. I would probability go with either openSuse or Debian :-).
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Oct 14, 2011 09:47:58   #
One thing that bothers me about Picasa is that it seems rather limited. I can't find a detail description. I will admit that most free software is limited. Also Picasa seem to be less about real editing of photography an more of preparing you shot for the web or a scrapbook. You may want to check out Paint.net with or with out the plug-ins simple but not to limited for a beginner and can be expanded with plug-ins.

I have a number of commercial editors and use GIMP for a good bit of stuff as well, but for beginners I highly recommend staying away from GIMP and Photoshop of any kind(not free anyway). Keep it simple. I have an number of friends that use both Photoshop and GIMP and I have spent a good bit of time showing them how to use the products Neither is user friendly to the general user and both seriously need redesign before they are suitable to the general public. Yes Bob, I know that CS5 is sold to the general public, but so was the Chev Vega. And yes I will use them if it suits my needs, but after years I know my way around in the software. Keep beginners away from overly complicated software.
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Oct 14, 2011 09:08:16   #
bobmielke wrote:
JimH wrote:
I think ya got it right there - for online or local, at zero cost, Picasa is the top of a very short list. Not sure if there's a Mac version of it but any Mac users could do the online thing (if they've stopped grieving over Jobs yet...)

And shoot, Bob, if you're going to get as complicated as Photoshop (which I would shy away from for beginners) you're just as good with GIMPshop, which is free.


There is no other worthy of the name P H O T O S H O P . :) It's got a ring to it, don'tcha think?
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That is a matter of opinion. And an opinion that I strongly disagree with. Photoshop CS is an excellent program, but even at half price it is way over priced. Depending on how you work and what your end objective is there are often far better choices than the much bragged of Photoshop. For most people both Photoshop and GIMP are gross over kills.
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Oct 14, 2011 08:34:58   #
PalePictures wrote:
I got a Mac
I spent a lot more
I have a lot less drama and problems
Unix based operating systems are inherently more stable
operating systems are my profession

Russ


I agree with that. I suspect that for my next system I will return to a Linux OS and run the Windows apps virtually.
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Oct 14, 2011 08:28:15   #
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
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I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
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Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.
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Hflare As I said early I run Windows 7 and have seen a number of blue screens and after Googling the error message found in the event log i found that the failure in Windows 7 is not uncommon. That combined with over 40 years in computers of one type or another I can tell you that given enough time and conditions any complex system will fail. Windows still fails and like all OS always will. Your computer experience must be very limited for you to believe otherwise.
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Perhaps we are thinking of two different blue screens... there was the old blue screen of death... which was the whole system would stop operating..there has always been blue screens which would indicate a problem but the system would still function with notices of errors....
I have never seen a blue screen of death for a lack of a software driver alone...
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First hflare, if you had read the thread you would have realized that both Annabelle and myself, not to mention a few others are every versed in computers. You would do well to assume that we know what we are talking about. We may have different opinions, but we've been around enough to know that we are talking about.
I can't speak for anyone else. But when I say blue screen of death I only refer to the screen that is show as the computer locks on to it and remains there and there only with no further action. The system dies and you set there look at a screen with a text message. I have seen this on every Windows OS through Windows 7. Before I retired we would see 7 crash with a blue screen several times a week, sometimes several times a day. If your work for a software company in QA it is a normal occurrence. We If you have not seen a blue screen, I suspect that you only work with one or two computers and with a very limited array of software. You seem to have far too much faith in marketing hype.
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Oct 13, 2011 21:03:41   #
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
quote=dongrant quote=hflare You might consider u... (show quote)


Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.
quote=hflare quote=dongrant quote=hflare You mi... (show quote)


Hflare As I said early I run Windows 7 and have seen a number of blue screens and after Googling the error message found in the event log i found that the failure in Windows 7 is not uncommon. That combined with over 40 years in computers of one type or another I can tell you that given enough time and conditions any complex system will fail. Windows still fails and like all OS always will. Your computer experience must be very limited for you to believe otherwise.
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Oct 13, 2011 16:42:24   #
Randyb1969 wrote:
I don't know a lot about Nikon, but I know enough to tell you that in this case, the cheapest also performed the best. There's a reason the "nifty fifty" is so popular and it's not just price. It also performs. I do agree with other posters though that this doesn't look like a fair comparison. If you want to compare evenly, you need to have every other factor the same. That means they all have to be at 50mm. They all have to be set at f3.5 or higher. Same ISO and Shutter Speed. Same subject and lastly same lighting conditions. Then you'll get a true comparison. Even then, it doesn't mean the winner is the best. Just the best under those circumstances. Every one of those lenses has benefits and drawbacks compared to the other two.

So I guess what I'm saying in a very long winded way is it doesn't matter whether we see a justified difference. What matters is do you see a justified difference?
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If you have to be long winded to state the truth, then please do so. Personally I find it refreshing when someone else, states what should be obvious to all. And what is the obsession with the best. The best is undefinable unless you set down and extremely narrow set of conditions, which are more often than not impractical of everyday life.
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Oct 13, 2011 12:13:31   #
That is one nice shot.
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Oct 13, 2011 11:55:54   #
anotherview wrote:
If doing wedding photography interests you, then attend weddings as a guest to take pictures. Do not promise anything to anybody while you learn. Identify yourself as a guest, and nothing else. Believe me, if you show up with a DSLR, others will tend to perceive you as a pro or “a real photographer.“ Refer to yourself as someone who likes to take pictures. Of course, stay out of the way of the hired wedding photographer.

By the way, I've attended only 2 weddings since starting to learn digital photography. On both occasions, I found my gear more advanced than that used by the hired photographer. One could conclude their skills and experience enabled them to make money with this middling gear.

As another example, at a meet-and-greet with a famous boxer, the duty photographer used basic gear along with the dedicated flashgun mounted in the hotshoe -- no bracket, no cord to put the flashgun off-axis.

In my opinion, these working photographers have discovered few if any others question the quality of their gear or their use of it, but instead look at the images produced.
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The few wedding photographers that I know have a special nack and personality that fits with the social and hectic atmosphere of weddings. They travel light and work quickly and quietly as much in the background as possible. I believe to succeed at wedding photography will take as much people skills as it does photographic. That is why I don't do weddings. Grumpy old goats don't do well in that kind of thing.
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Oct 13, 2011 11:40:36   #
Just Tami wrote:
Ruthie wrote:
I am having a very hard time deciding which camera to buy. I have narrowed it down to three. The Nikon 3100, the Cannon 7D and the Pentex K5. Help.


You dont say whether you already have a camera. If so and you have some lenses already it would make sense to buy a compatible camera. Most camera brands make their next models similiar to their previous ones to be consumer friendly. I have the Canon 60D my upgrade, the 7D is heavier, awesome, but it is out of my price range because of my lens collection and keeping the hubby happy. I don't believe you have to have a canon or a nikon but if you are starting new go to the store and play with them, ultimately it's what feels the best to you. Also the cost of expanding your lens needs should factor into your choice. You have done your research my only other suggestion is if you are not a resident of Jersey BeachCamera.Com is reputable and doesn't charge tax for other states and hes free shipping so it does save you a decent amount of money.
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This is probability as good of advice as you can give or get. I will add one more thing to it. If there is a good camera club near you you may want to join or at least attend a few meeting before you spend you money. Many member will tell you about the service of the local stores and stores often give discounts to club member. Also, many photographers like to brag and will bring their camera to meeting where you can hold them and sort of take a quick hands on tour. There is nothing better than direct feedback. I think that I may have already said that somewhere...
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Oct 13, 2011 11:12:17   #
PNagy wrote:
My vote is the Canon 7D. It is nearly full frame, very fast, and versatile enough to handle nearly all professional photography situations. At 8 frames per second it is a solid enough performer for sports shooting, perhaps the greatest challenge for a camera. Buy a battery grip for it, and you will greatly increase the number of shots you can obtain with the camera, and also make the proper impression when you are on a professional shoot.


The full fame thing is not always the issue that many crank it up to be. And the D7000 (The upcoming D400 will be even better) seems to be going toe to toe with the big boys on image quality. Are you doing sports? If not frames speed may not be an issue either. Fit the camera to YOUR needs and personal fit. It matters not what anyone other than the photographer needs and likes are.
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Oct 13, 2011 09:03:43   #
I'm glad to see that you found the problem. For my part I am sorry if anything that I said mislead you. I like, many others, felt your pain. You have been a very good sport to put up with us. We did wish to help. If nothing else, hope that we provided moral support. Have of good day:-).
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Oct 13, 2011 07:26:55   #
Welcome. You do realize that, living in East Tennessee, you live in the center of the universe... right? Go Vols!!! Bet you've heard that a few times. I was raised in Knoxville, now live in western North Carolina, but we are still pulling for Pat Summit. I hope that you enjoy Tennessee as much as I have.
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