Ariel, you win. I am just an old idiot. I am very sorry for wasting everyone's time trying to explain to you what is so obnoxious in your tone... have fun, I am out of here.

You know, it is a very funny thing here Ariel, no one is talking about agreeing on everything... just being nice about things when we discuss them. What would be so hard as to speak nicely? that is all that I am saying... maybe that is just too much for a web based group that does not have to face each other, but I sure hope that it is not.

Please remember that the moon is 100% reflected light from the sun... so it is approximately 50% as bright as the sun. So the Moony 11 rule is a very good starting point... F11, ISO 100 and 1/100th second as a starting point. when you set your ISO to 800 of 1600, you are actually blowing out your shot. If you use your meter it will see all of the black in the view finder and average that into the calculation... and it will always blow out your image... just try the above settings and you will be within 1 stop at most from a great image.
Kelly

then let me reword my statement... When you crush the egg, then you have a bunch of shells in your now useless egg. Look, the entire point is this is... dont start arguments at every opportunity. most of us can be very civil... a few have to spoil a good thing for others. Please dont spoil what could be a great group... for others as not everyone wants a fight.

Thank you Dossile.

But if you crush the egg, then you have a bunch of shells in your now useless omelette.

As I read the OP, this is the exact type of comment that they were speaking to... it starts like this and then blows up in our faces. For many years now, we have been a society of "man are they nuts..." and then we lambaste them with both barrels of a double barrel shotgun. This is place where we are to be always right... but rather always civil. And if we cant be civil, then maybe we are in the wrong place. We are all guilty of being rude at some point, but let us apologize, and then move on rather than ignoring our mistakes and and continuing to belittle others. Just my unpopular take on a group that has to seemingly always be right. Now go ahead and be head me... I am asking for it from anyone who thinks that I am wrong... not right... but wrong.

Thank you Larry, we were supposed to go then but had issues with the weather and could not make it... I am afraid that it is too late now to go.
Kelly

Nicely done Larry, when were you there?

having been to CR a few years ago, I would without hesitation take my longest lens as the wildlife is everywhere especially since you have the wide side already covered.

very well said! I left UHH for a couple of years because I was fed up over the fighting... I was just about to leave again and then I saw this. maybe there is hope yet.

As I was going through my ordeal and even now with a friend, I only know of three cameras that exhibit issues of this sort... on the other hand, I dont know everyone who got a D850 so there are some cameras that have had some issues, but it seems to be very limited from what I hear... those who have problems are likely to let others know so... since we have not heard much, it has to be limited.

I will come at this in a different way. I bought my D850 on the second of November and was pleased as plum when I got it... only to discover about 3 days later that it would not follow birds in flight... I set it up just as my D500 and it still was not right, I played with it for 5000 shots... and I took it back to get my money back... it was a no go. They told me that they found nothing wrong with it, to which I said bull crap. So I got got it on my tripod, and I shot moving cars (grills) yes a hard subject, but then so are birds, and after about 100 shots with it I called Nikon. They asked for three images, and I did not hand pick them, rather I sent 3 consecutive images. upon taking a look at the first image the Nikon Person said... Send it in, there is something wrong with your camera. I sent it in on Wednesday, had it back the next Wednesday. I went out and shot moving cars with it ten minutes after I got it back. Lo and behold, they were sharp and less noise than I had seen in any image in the past.

Sure there was a problem. The D850 was a piece of crap... until it went back in. true, QC should have caught it, but they did not. A dear friend of mine is to get her D850 back from Nikon tomorrow for very similar issues. I expect it to be fixed as well. But out of the thousands of D850's out there... only a couple have had issues... and they are correctable... that does not sound like there is too much noise. I think that you need to read and look at the images that are out there and really judge for yourself rather than letting someone else tell you what you need or dont need. and if you cant afford it... by all means... dont buy it. get something else or use what you have... just dont be a nay sayer because someone else's best friend's third cousin thought that it was not good.

you are very welcome, just sorry that roberts was out of stock.

I have ordered 1 xqd card three separate times from Roberts in indianapolis indiana and have gotten each about two days later... they have always been in stock. the one' that i have ordered are the Lexar 128 2933 speed and these have all been ordered since thanksgiving (usa). ask for Ed and he will help you out.