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Apr 8, 2024 15:01:22   #
TriX wrote:
Therwol’s suggestion could also be correct - GPT is fairly recent, and a BIOS looking for MBR won’t “understand” GPT/UEFI


He's trying to use this drive in a 20 year old machine. If he's using a drive that was initialized GPT, he won't get very far. I'm just asking him to check. There may be other issues as well. I don't know about all of the operating systems, but Windows 10/11 automatically initialize new drives to GPT and also during the installation of Windows.
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Apr 8, 2024 12:55:13   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I delete the partition. The drive has no partition. It has nothing on it. It's installed as the boot drive. I am going to install an OS on it once the computer (not OS) recognizes the drive and goes thru the bios loading. I would boot it up with a USB thumb drive or CD to install the OS.


I thought that deleting all partitions and reformatting "cleaned" the drive. It does not remove the partition style. Humor me. Connect the drive to a newer computer. In Disk Management, right click on the drive and choose properties. Then this. Do you see this? If you do, you need to change it to MBR. There is more than one method. Will this solve your problem? I don't know, but it might.


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Apr 8, 2024 12:34:26   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I have this computer (made about 2004) I added the SATA interface card around 2006 or so. Yesterday I mount a 1TB drive to it and it hang. The BIOS would recognize the drive but then hang right there and didn't go on. The drive is good as I mount it on the newer computer and it works fine. I mount a 500GB drive and it works. So I wonder since this card is old I think it's SATA 1 (it's an Adaptec card) and it has a size limit some how?


Are you putting this in a machine as a secondary drive or as the primary drive on which to install an OS? Is it new or did you take it out of a newer machine where it had been in use.

My 17 year old Dell laptop only supports drives with the MBR partition style. A drive taken out of a newer machine might have used GPT. This is how I found out. I cloned the old HDD of this computer using Macrium Reflect. (SATA to USB adaptor) The "new" drive had been taken out of another newer computer. The new drive had been initialized GPT. Reformatting the drive for the cloning did not change that. Macrium could see it, and I thought all was well. When I swapped the drives, the laptop could not see or read it. Booting gave a "No OS Found" error message. I converted the drive to MBR, cloned again, and all was well. I don't remember how I did it, but I believe you can do it from Windows installation media or on another computer that can see the drive. Google can tell you how.

Is this the problem? I don't know, but I thought it was worth mentioning.


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Apr 7, 2024 21:47:49   #
SX2002 wrote:
Lovely set...
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Thank you!
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Apr 7, 2024 19:09:23   #
The little ones will be around before you know it. These turkeys hung around our house in large numbers for about a week.


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Apr 7, 2024 17:36:33   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I have this computer (made about 2004) I added the SATA interface card around 2006 or so. Yesterday I mount a 1TB drive to it and it hang. The BIOS would recognize the drive but then hang right there and didn't go on. The drive is good as I mount it on the newer computer and it works fine. I mount a 500GB drive and it works. So I wonder since this card is old I think it's SATA 1 (it's an Adaptec card) and it has a size limit some how?


I don't know if this helps. I'm on a 2007 Dell laptop. It was the first or second year of Dell putting an SATA interface in their laptops. I have a Samsung 1TB SSD in this thing with a dual boot configuration, Windows 7, 32 bit and Windows 10, 64 bit. Surprise, it runs both just fine. I won't go into all of the reasons why I hang onto this thing. Just look at the screenshots.




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Apr 7, 2024 09:45:50   #
DirtFarmer wrote:
There were at least two strategies for resorting a deck of cards

(1) the last 8 columns of the cards were punched (and printed) with an index number. It could be alphameric if your deck was really large.

(2) a sharpie could be used to draw a diagonal line on the edge of the deck. Different patterns and/or colors could be used for large decks. (Yes, they had sharpies in antiquity, but they were called something else then).

(2) was laborious hand work. Some more experienced among us could probably come up with other methods. I think the largest deck I ever had was about 2 boxes.

As far as pranks go, when computers got to do multitasking and you had a room full of teletypes, you would find someone's teletype number and send them an obscure error message.
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I suppose we're getting off topic here, and I hope that the OP got the information they requested earlier.

One hack with punch cards was to go to the keypunch rooms late at night and empty the trays under the machines that contained the "chips" that were punched out of the cards. Once you got a large quantity, you'd get into someone's dorm room and spread them all over the place, on and in their furniture, clothing, bed etc. It would be a very difficult clean up.

I took a programming course as a freshman in college and watched as paper from a line printer was spewing out of it. Some "hacker" student had put the command to skip a page in a loop in a stack of cards. The grad student operator became livid and yelled at everyone waiting for their printouts.

The transition to time sharing and programming into terminals was taking place during my college years. You would get CPU seconds to run your programs, and you might have to ask for more if you ran out.
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Apr 6, 2024 19:47:46   #
DaveyDitzer wrote:
The floppies and any magnetic tape will degrade because the particles will move out of alignment due to "relaxation" of the polymer matrix in which the particles are embedded. That's why old VHS tapes, even when not played, turn crappy (sorry about technical terms:) Ditto cassette tapes.


Watch this. What a coincidence that this popped up on my news feed. The San Francisco trains depend on floppy discs to run?????? 5 inch, no less. Unmute the video to hear the story.

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-train-system-has-been-running-on-floppy-disks-but-city-fears-catastrophic-failure-before-upgrade/14624828/
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Apr 6, 2024 13:32:24   #
DirtFarmer wrote:
Pure hype.

The maximum lifetime of any style of storage medium these days is probably less than 50 years. After that, the medium could be readable but the technology will have moved on so that you no longer can buy the readers/writers or update the drivers to new operating systems. How long did people use floppy disks? CDs/DVDs? Technology moving on will also mean that you will need larger capacity storage devices. The first home computers had less than a megabyte of storage. Now we're using Terabytes. What will we need in 50 years? (The M-discs are only around 100 Gbytes last I heard). 1000 years? What kind of data storage did they have in 1024? Printing wasn't even invented then.

Part of backup/archiving is Maintenance. That includes transferring your data to newer technology storage systems as they become available (and tested). It also includes verifying your data so it is not corrupted by the transfer.
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The 1000 year longevity of M-Discs only refers to the media. Everything you say is true, but to a few people, that's what matters now. Yes, we went from punch cards to paper tape to magnetic tape to big floppies to little floppies to various flavors of hard drives along the way to the current ones. We have cloud storage. Operating systems have changed. We can only know what we know now and use our best judgement. It is inevitible that new technology and protocols will come along. One thing for certain is that if you have a reader, your data on M-Discs will be intact for your lifetime. If you must know, I've only used M-Discs to archive rare movies I've come across. I don't use them to archive files. I'm comfortable with triple backing up my files with one copy offsite and my most important files in the cloud. It's a judgement call.

Just a brief story. When floppies were king, I put a lot of files on them. Most of them are of no value to me now, but when I tried to view them to decide what to keep, about half of the floppies couldn't be read. Longevity can matter.
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Apr 5, 2024 22:14:49   #
burkphoto wrote:
ExFAT IS cross-platform compatible, but it is very dangerous. If you unplug the drive when it is mounted with open files , there is an EXTREMELY high likelihood you will lose data. I know this from personal experience. Fortunately, I had a double backup.


I was not aware of the danger with exFAT. The OP uses a Mac. I thought that cross platform compatibility would be desirable. I have sent gigs of family photos to my daughter on external hard drives formatted exFAT. She uses a Mac. So far no problems, but I'll warn her.
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Apr 5, 2024 11:43:55   #
DaveyDitzer wrote:
but otherwise, no distinct advantage of Blu Ray over conventional DVDs?


The advantage of Blu Ray discs over DVD discs is capacity. The advantage of M-Discs over conventional discs is longevity. Conventional discs can deteriorate over time and are not considered permanent storage.
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Apr 5, 2024 11:21:46   #
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Is there a particular advantage to using a blue ray rather than a conventional CD DVD player?


Backing up a large number of files to CD (700MB) or DVD (4.7 or 8.5 GB) is not really viable. It's viable if you burn high capacity Blu Ray discs (100GB), but a bit expensive. Conventional CD and DVD drives/players will not read Blu Ray discs. By they way, you can buy DVD M-Discs, but Verbatim has discontinued making them. I used them to archive some movies I recorded a long time ago off of cable that can't be bought or streamed. I could, and can play them in a DVD player.

If you're asking why not burn to conventional DVD-R or BD-R discs, the answer is longevity. The dyes is conventional recordable discs are not permanent. M-Discs can last 1000 years and are considered permanent storage. The government has used them for permanent storage of documents. Conventional discs are known to "rot" over time and become unreadable. The longevity can vary.
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Apr 5, 2024 09:13:30   #
ken_stern wrote:
For photos I always want & never EVER want to lose I copy those photos to M-DISC the brand name I'm currently using is Verbatim


M-Discs are said to have a 1000 year life. They come in DVD and Blu Ray flavors. The largest Blu Ray discs are 100GB.

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B011PIJPOC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3F6CC165QQ0PH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.O3j2um4BAReq-EfNSszSn7VC26UZesNBkuPFRrjvgCbGOpCdufoD8YYVaTxpMUZtZdvfcrCZnFcHEQNRqdM0Oi76UBvjWldQHXh4SW_UsZfgRNmj1PuQuy2esHI3VbsNBR9ooMN0QGZBTymSCnPCxc8t1PaixrHcZUsdkHxIZ9I.Dw1J_Ga9umzc91rMCNoNgAtMm0qNNpP5C0NNa4r4Ek0&dib_tag=se&keywords=m-disc%2B128gb&qid=1712321780&sprefix=m-disc%2Caps%2C147&sr=8-1&th=1

I believe that most current Blu Ray burners can burn them but not all. My LG external Blu Ray burner can burn them. They can usually be read by a standard external Blu Ray drive. Even so, having only one backup is not a good idea. (House may burn down, etc.)

Many people will buy at least 2 and preferrably 3 external drives and make multiple backups in case of drive failure. One should be kept offsite. Others will keep one copy of their files in the cloud and one or two on external drives. These drives can fail. I have friends who can attest to that. SSD drives may be more reliable than the spinning HDDs, but if one fails, it may be impossible to recover data from them. Not so with HDDs, but recovery can be very expensive. In any case, MULTIPLE backups is a really good idea to avoid that nightmare and expense.

If you buy an external drive, format it exFAT. exFAT drives can be written to and read by Macs and Windows machines.
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Apr 2, 2024 17:44:23   #
stavros wrote:
On our fall vacation to Destin, Florida last October Annette and I decided to stop in nearby Valparaiso Florida to visit the Air Force Armament Museum.

The Air Force Armament Museum is a military aviation museum adjacent to Eglin Air Force Base in Valparaiso, Florida, dedicated to the display of Air Force armament. It is supported by the private, non-profit Air Force Armament Museum Foundation.

The Air Force Armament Museum is the only museum in the world dedicated to the collection, preservation and exhibition of artifacts and memorabilia associated with Air Force Armament and its platforms of delivery. There are over twenty-nine different aircraft that have found a home at the Air Force Armament Museum including an AC-130, B-17, B-25, B-52, P-51, A-10, F-15, F-16, F-100, F-101, and many other aircraft from the WWII era to the present. There are also several hundred pieces of armament to include a gun collection, bombs, bomblets, and missiles.

The museum was conceived and approved in 1974 but there was no suitable structure available on Eglin Air Force Base until 1976. In the spring of that year, an old Enlisted Club facility became available, and the Armament Museum became a reality. To help fund and perpetuate this Museum, the Air Force Armament Museum Foundation (AFAMF), a philanthropic non-profit organization, was established.

From 1976 through 1981, the artifact collection grew, and the Museum averaged 80,000 visitors per year. But, in 1981, the building housing the Museum collection was condemned, and the Museum closed that October.

The Air Force Armament Museum Foundation (AFAMF) then began what became a lengthy effort to find a new home for the Armament Museum. After a slow start, funding efforts began in 1984. By mid-1985, $1.2 million in private and corporate donations had been raised and construction of a new 28,000 square foot Museum was underway and in November of the same year, the new Museum was deeded to the United States Air Force and opened to the public.

Admittance to the Museum is free of charge and the Museum is open every day and most Federal Holidays. Over two million people have now visited and enjoyed this Museum. Numerous significant, military-related ceremonies such as promotions, reenlistments, retirements, and meetings occur within the Museum each month. Visits by school, church and veterans' groups are now almost daily occurrences and the Armament Museum has become an important educational, cultural, and social landmark.

Driving onto the grounds of the Air Force Armament Museum, visitors first notice the array of numerous aircraft on display. The fastest plane ever built, the SR-71 Blackbird is the centerpiece flanked by numerous planes from World War II, Korean, Vietnam and Gulf War eras. The Air Force Armament Museum is located on the Emerald Coast of the Florida Panhandle. It is on Highway 85 South, seven miles north of Fort Walton Beach. The museum is open Sunday through Saturday from 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Central Time. Tours are self-guided. Photography is permitted and encouraged.

These photos with Topaz and Dynamic Auto Painter Pro effects were taken in October. I shot in RAW with my Nikon D750 camera and used Corel AfterShot Pro to convert the files. Then I used Topaz Denoise, Corel PaintShop Pro, and Luminar AI to further adjust and enhance the files in post processing. Finally, I used Dynamic Auto Painter Pro to add the Re-Acrylic painterly effects. I hope you enjoy!
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Very nice photos. Post processing well done for a nice effect. If you're into this sort of thing, the Battleship Park in Mobile has many similar planes, and you get to see the inside of a WWII battleship as a bonus.
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Apr 2, 2024 15:20:53   #
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, I'm back with a very odd situation. I cannot type a message in Gmail. When I start to type, the first few letters do not appear. Ahead of the cursor are miscellaneous words and letters. Deleting, starting in a different location or with a different font makes no difference.

I can type just fine in the subject line, and I can type anywhere else - word processor, Quicken, UHH, etc. I connected the wired keyboard to different USB ports, but that made no difference. I was able to send an email by typing the message in WordPerfect and pasting it into the email.

I just tried it again, and "At home" appeared after the cursor. I don't recall typing those words recently.

I just typed, "I want to find a way to make this work." This is what I got: "t to find a way to make this work.on And in"

I can reply to an email, but I cannot type one of my own.
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Works on another computer? Start with that. How about in another browser? What do you have installed on your machine?
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