hj wrote:
donrent wrote:
Frank ! What in the hell is there about the word "ILLEGAL" THAT YOU DON'T COMPREHEND !!!!!
Have you ever gone to school and learned the English language ??
I have to side with Donrent on this one. The question is about ILLEGALS voting, not the poor as FrankT suggests.
Any of you who believe that an illegal cannot obtain government issued ID are delusional. They can, and they have, for many, many years. The cost is high, but judging by how many of them do it, it apparently is worth the expense.
Now...let's look at this objectively. If you are living on, say, SSI, which is around $650 a month+/-, the $30 or so required to get a copy of your birth certificate and the $10-15 required to get a state ID, plus the money to get yourself back and forth to the DMV/BMV/whatever they call it in your state represents a week or more's food budget, or budget for other expenses like, say, rent, utilities, and other insignificant needs. If you are elderly, your social security may well not even be that high. I have seen elderly people who hae worked hard their entire lives, paid their taxes, done everything they could and should have done to be model citizens, whose entire income is FAR less than even SSI, some as low as $300 per month to meet their entire needs...rent, utilities, medical care (because no matter how low your income is, there is always SOME expense), transportation, clothing.....the list is endless. Take even $10 for a state ID from them, even once a year, and you have imposed a serious financial hardship, and no state issues them free.
Now....if you're a diehard conservative, which in the final analysis translates to, "I've got mine and the hell with you if you don't have yours, regardless of the reason why you don't," these are the exact people you do NOT want voting. The easiest, and least blatant method of keeping them from the polls is to impose rules that will be a financial hardship in the name of preserving the integrity of the voting process. When it's a hardship just to physically get to the polls, overcoming the red tape and expense required to obtain an ID so you can vote is often overwhelming, as it is meant to be.
As one person who didn't realize I was in earshot put it, "It keeps the riffraff home".