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Jan 19, 2017 19:01:31   #
James Shaw wrote:
Your posting of selected articles and videos do not qualify you to make absolute statements that the data presented by NASA and referred to by the NYTimes have been intentionally manipulated. Rhetoric does not make you a scientist. And no one, "believer" or not, with any sense, would declare that "the science is settled," as you have stated. It is not settled and far from being so. The answers to settle all questions are not in at this time, and I have stated that on numerous occasions. Science takes time, and with time, Science, and science alone, will answer the questions of which there are so many unanswered questions at this time. To claim that the NASA data is fraudulent is way out of line.

There needs be more data by repudiate scientists to answer the numerous questions that arise about c*****e c****e/g****l w*****g/man's contribution to the warming process. Thus, the NASA data has given rise to questions. The science is not settled, and I know of no repudiate scientist that would declare so. Think about it. If a consensus of reputable scientists believed, without a doubt, that "the science were settled," there would be no need to do more science. I have seen no reputable scientist who would say such a thing.

In science there are hypotheses. Data in favor of the hypotheses support the hypotheses. Data that do not will ultimately lead to discarding the hypotheses or restating them in a way that supports the currently available data.

You imply that NASA scientists are fraudulent. So many of them are not. Scientists are very good at disqualifying fraudulent scientists who may intentionally misrepresent there data. It happens all the time and even now.
Your posting of selected articles and videos do no... (show quote)

I agree with a lot that you say here. However, there are definitely prominent scientists and pundits all over the place who are declaring this exact four word phrase "The Science is Settled!" It exasperates people on my side of the issue. Al Gore is the most famous of these examples. Here's the lazy man's evidence of this - a simple Google search:

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=The+science+is+settled
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Jan 19, 2017 15:34:34   #
James Shaw wrote:
I see nothing in the article that you posted that suggests that the data presented here (above) were fudged.

Why don't you post something scientific? This whole thread consists of me and PalePictures posting articles and videos that that actually address the scientific issues about temperature measurement. And in response, all you do is post rhetoric saying "nah, you didn't prove anything." It is so typical of these G****l W*****g debates that the people on the G****l W*****g side rarely give any scientific arguments, but instead they try to reference "persons of authority" who claim it must be true. At the same time, the G****l W*****g believer usually has no idea about the actual science involved. Then when the G****l W*****g skeptics present data or scientific arguments, the believer just declares that "the science is settled" and ends the debate. You have not made a scientific comment on this entire thread. Anyone with common sense will see how flimsy your arguments are.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:54:13   #
letmedance wrote:
As I sit in four lanes of traffic creeping along at 10mph in the 90 minute afternoon commute, my engine along with thousands of others use the energy created by forces here on earth using the Light and Heat from our Sun over the eons, I calmly reassure my self that I am not contributing to g****l w*****g.

No, you're just contributing to Urban Sprawl! (hashtag-Al Gore)
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Jan 18, 2017 21:24:36   #
boberic wrote:
I looked into the raw data. Yes last year was the warmest year on record. But that statement is very misleading, for the following reasons. It as warmer by 0.3 degrees C as such it's a virtually bogus number. Temperature measuring devices over the past 100 years have not been that reliable. Even today that number falls within the margin of error of measuring devices around the planet. So the claim that 2016 may be an accurate statement but it is still a decptive one. Lets assume that the 0.3 degree increase is accurate. It is not a prediction of future temperature. I do not believe that energy policy should change as a result of a temp. increase of 0.3 degrees.This is all separate from pollution which most certainly should be cleaned up. especially in those countrys which are the worst offenders
I looked into the raw data. Yes last year was the... (show quote)

Hi Bo. Where did you find that figure that says the temperature is up 0.3 degrees (assuming this is over the previous year's figure)? No matter if you were talking Fahrenheit or Centigrade, this would be Earth-shaking news that would alarm both G****l W*****g believers and Deniers as well! Are you sure you copied the figure correctly, or left out a decimal place?
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Jan 18, 2017 21:03:36   #
James Shaw wrote:
Sorry, your rant does not address the data presented in the figure posted here. The data are real. If not real then will you show us where there is intentional fraud in the data or its posting? If not, then you are as fraudulent in your attempt to discredit others. I go with science and data not fraud. Again, if you can show us where there is intentional fraud in the figure and data I posted, well, then, go at it. I am all ears.

Otherwise, you are just another who attempts to discredit the data of others by innuendo.
Sorry, your rant does not address the data present... (show quote)

You apparently did not read, or did not believe the article I linked by Christopher Booker about the fiddling with temperature data. Here is a more detailed look at the fraudulent tampering with the temperature data by NASA and the Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS).

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/all-of-paraguays-temperature-record-has-been-tampered-with/
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Jan 18, 2017 18:43:10   #
PalePictures wrote:
I've decided to create the c*****e c****e acceptors organization or CAO.
The CAO's mission is to get everyone together to party while our planet inevitably changes and to seek out the 3 bonafide c*****e c****e deniers that aren't made up by the c*****e c****e fanatics(CCF's) and convert them to our wicked ways of party hardy. We also would like to raise awareness of the c*****e c****e fanatics origin made up of Green Peace, The political branch of the IPCC and the left overs from the groups that helped tear down the Berlin wall.
In the event that the Sun Wobbles again and causes our planet to cool, no need for the CCF's to get there diapers in wad. The CAO will be there for you with lots booze while you search for another crisis and mission to follow for the betterment of our world. Until then Party Hardy.
I've decided to create the c*****e c****e acceptor... (show quote)

I'm in!
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Jan 18, 2017 18:05:33   #
Here is another site that gives some very clear graphics showing the formerly accepted historical temperature data from past years and how they morphed into much different graphs in later years.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/alterations-to-climate-data/
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Jan 18, 2017 18:00:48   #
James Shaw wrote:
The article shows data-points on a graph. The points were acquired through direct measurement, not innuendo, like your "fudged data" comment.

If you have information that the data shown in the article cited above were "fudged" then please show the candid world on which you base your statement. Otherwise I am left to believe you are just rambling, yet once again. What the data mean in the total scheme of things regarding global temperature change remains to be established.

You are blowing off the current data with generalized innuendo not facts. If you have hard data showing the data in the current post was "fudged" then let us have it, please. I think you tend to be specious and are being specious here. "You would think" is a remark that is attempting to lead the reader. Please, hard facts that the data presented above was "fudged."
The article shows data-points on a graph. The poi... (show quote)

The scientists at NOAA and GISS do not just report the raw temperature data and average it out. Instead, they "tweak" the data in places where they think it is inaccurate. While they try to use scientific principles to tweak their data, it is more of an art form and involves a lot of "educated guesses." With the micro temperature differences they are working with, this leaves open a huge scope of variability and opportunity for shenanigans in their final numbers. The historical temperature charts you see today are different than the ones they showed a few years ago, and these are different again from the ones shown many years ago, and so on... They are constantly revising the charts to fit their opinions, instead of the other way around. It just so happens that in pretty much all cases where the scientists have adjusted their data, they have adjusted it to show more warming recently and more cooling in the past. This is more than a huge coincidence.

Here is an article describing some of the "shenanigans" that have been uncovered. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html
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Jan 18, 2017 15:04:39   #
I love it! Yet another "Science" article about G****l W*****g telling us that the Earth is "setting a temperature record for the third straight year," and that "temperatures have blown past the previous record three years in a row." Nowhere in the entire article do they tell you what the actual overall temperature records are. Nowhere. You would think that this would be the single most important science information of all. But they never do that in these types of psuedo-scientific articles. All they give you are fluffy heat metaphors and some cherry picked individual spots on giant Earth where for instance, India had a single record hot day.

They never give you the overall temperature results because the increments are so microscopically small that nobody would be alarmed if they knew the t***h. An honest graph of temperature measurement would show a nearly straight line across the X axis. When you actually look up temperature differences they claim to measure for each year, you'll find that they are splitting hairs of hundredths and thousandths of a degree. We do not even have thermometers that can measure such differences. The figures are arrived at by a type of statistical c***ting that is not allowed in other scientific disciplines.

According to their own fudged data, there hasn't been any statistically significant G****l W*****g for the last 19 years, during which the majority of this G****l W*****g scare has been taking place.
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Jan 16, 2017 18:29:56   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Steve do you not recall gun walking under .bushy. that what the fast furious started.

Contempt your wrong. Happened two other times .

Raygun paid ranson
Can waiting list t***spired under bush



Trumps epa will practically be non existent. Reversing regulations for the dollar

Secret Service Agents having parties with prostitutes in South America an other countries for decades

14. State Department giving Russia access to 20% of U.S. Uranium production. Lol

Russia bought out the company that was an is still mining here an other countries.

You need check facts, rather than goin by LIMBAUGH.
Steve do you not recall gun walking under .bushy. ... (show quote)

This is your response after claiming that Obama hasn't had one single scandal in office???

The fact that Bush had a gun tracking program is irrelevant. Obama did not track any of the guns, or do anything meaningful at all with the program. He just gave them away to Mexican Drug Lords and left it at that. And this while proclaiming we should not let citizens have guns!? He should have been impeached for that alone.

Holder is the first sitting cabinet member to be held in contempt of Congress (for lying). 17 Democrats v**ed along with the Republicans to hold him in contempt. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/28/eric-holder-contempt-historic-congress-v**e

I could be wrong about Obama being the very first President to pay a ransom, but that does not excuse it from being a scandal, especially when he lied about it and tried to cover it up.

Obama knew all about Russia buying up the Uranium Mining Company. That's why he OK'd the deal to give them the rights to 20% of U.S. uranium mines. Still a scandal.

Secret Service Agents having sex with prostitutes before the Obama Administration? Who knows? Again, this is no excuse. Still a scandal.

I have no idea what you said about the EPA.
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Jan 16, 2017 03:55:32   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Can you. Name one.

You can't be serious.

1. Fast and Furious. Giving over 2,000 guns to Mexican Drug Lords.
2. Eric Holder lying to Congress about it to Congress. First Cabinet member in history to be held in contempt of Congress.
3. "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it".
4. Spying on journalists.
5. IRS scandal of purposely denying tax exempt status for all Conservative Groups so they could not fund or campaign for Republican Candidates.
6. B******i. Making up story out of thin air about a video inciting r**t that k**led four Americans, so Obama could keep the pretense going that Al Qaida was not a threat.
7. Hillary using non-secured E-mail server to avoid public scrutiny of her activities and Obama actively participating with her using a false name.
8. Bowe Bergdahl. Releasing five worst terrorists from Gitmo in exchange for Army deserter and t*****r.
9. Iranian ransom payment for detained Americans. First President ever to pay ransom.
10. EPA polluting the Colorado River and then trying to cover it up.
11. Veterans Hospitals waiting lists and secret death lists while executives handed in phony reports and got big bonuses.
12. Solyndra receiving half -a-Billion Dollars from Obama to immediately go bankrupt and pay out big bonuses to employees.
13. Secret Service Agents having parties with prostitutes in South America.
14. State Department giving Russia access to 20% of U.S. Uranium production.

This is getting fun. I don't know if there has been an administration with any more scandals than Obama has had.
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Jan 16, 2017 02:10:41   #
BigBear wrote:
Obummer is really the most arrogant little bastard I have ever heard of.
I know he thinks his followers are so dense as to believe all that he says.

But … He claims there have been no scandals during his time of occupying the WH.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/13/president-obama-60-minutes-no-white-house-scandals-during-my-administration

This is really an astounding claim by Obama. I knew he was out of touch, but this just departs from any grasp on reality. He is even more self-delusional than I thought, like a little kid pretending that nothing ever happened. And I'm guessing that he's not really lying but he actually believes this. Unbelievable!
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Jan 14, 2017 18:40:17   #
green wrote:
...and we live in the 21st century with flying cars,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZNLBL7Px4

but no sarcasm font


Nah, there ain't no such thing as a flying car. The next thing you'll be telling me is that sleazy bombastic millionaire Donald Trump was elected President!
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Jan 14, 2017 16:45:53   #
DEBJENROB wrote:
It is not complicated ..... the population figure is an estimate or projection ..... at any time it is impossible to determine the exact population .... so after you estimate the population .... you estimate the number of people in the population total that are 18(could be 16) years of age or older ......then based on that figure you have the total number of people that are potential participants in the labor force ..... since there is no way to determine the exact number of people who are in school or have sufficient assets and do not have to or want to work .... or who are retired and do not get SS or SSDI ..... we do have many people who have never reported income or paid FICA or taxes form legitimate work ... .... so what ends up happening is that full time students who are capable of full time work but because they are over 18 .... are calculated in the utilization rate ..... even someone who is retired but not collecting SS falls into the "potential to be employed "figure .... so as I stated before .... students, homemakers and retired do impact the utilization figure ..... the employment utilization figure ONLY has meaning are a comparative figure ..... consider the baby boomers are a statistical anomaly .... we have never had so many people leaving the workforce at the same time ... all things considered ... where the employment utilization figure averaged 63% for the period 1950 to 2016 ....the current 62.7% is not bad ... in fact it is a very positive statistic ....
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You keep trying to maintain that students, retirees, homemakers and others are counted as "unemployed" by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This is nonsense. Here is the link to the Government's website showing exactly who they count for their employment figures and who they don't count.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#nilf

The pertinent part from that site is the four questions they ask respondents to determine if they are counted in the labor force:

Do you currently want a job, either full or part time?
What is the main reason you were not looking for work during the last 4 weeks?
Did you look for work at any time during the last 12 months?
Last week, could you have started a job if one had been offered?

This eliminates all students, homemakers, retirees, underage persons, and most Hedgehog addicts(!?)

The real reason we have so few workers participating today is because Obama managed to double the number of people on food stamps and disability. Now, one out of three people in America is getting a welfare check from the government. We are paying people not to work!

Here is the Labor Participation chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics over the last 26 years.


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Jan 14, 2017 10:12:08   #
idaholover wrote:
It is not a coincidence that leftwing and lie both start with L

I think this guy just didn't know what he was talking about!?
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