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Apr 21, 2020 14:42:44   #
speters wrote:
If you're shooting digital, printing at home is best, no darkroom needed! Prints have the same or better quality and last a lot longer too!


No, I'm not in the mood to deal with a printer, ink and all that crap. I'd buy a thermal printer if it produced a print of good quality, lasted long and the printer was "reasonably" affordable but no...no inkjet for me.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:41:03   #
Ysarex wrote:
There is no digital printing process that can equal or rival the longevity of a properly processed B&W silver print.

Color is an entirely different matter. Most of the commercial color prints available from digital files are, as BebuLamar noted, are actually printed on RA4 material using a "Lightjet" printer (MPix, Millers, etc.). As such their longevity is in the category "pull up a chair, open a beer, and watch them go." OK, my wife says I exaggerate a bit, but RA4 photographic prints are at the bottom of the longevity heap. They will exhibit a measurable fade change within 5 years and depending on display conditions should typically fade to a noticeable, objectionable stage in about 25 to 30 years.

Color inkjet prints depending on the materials used have fade rates that are 4 to as much as 8 times better than RA4 prints. If you want a color print from a digital photo that is as fade resistant as possible you want an inkjet print. It's going to depend on the paper and inks used. To find out which papers and inks have the best fade resistance ask Henry: http://wilhelm-research.com

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Thanks Joe, that's very informative.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:06:04   #
Longshadow wrote:
Check Costco. I'm told they print on photo emulsion paper.


Oh, I didn't think that they did printing anymore.
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Apr 21, 2020 13:27:45   #
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
First unless you have your digital files printed on metal, allowing any regular prints to take a bath is not a good Idea, Digital print paper is different than dark room paper, that being said their are a few online photo printers that claim to print in the same way as dark room prints of past, I have not had that type of print so I can't give yo a company name. I have printing inkjet prints for years with great results, the life of any print depends on how it is presented,ie in a frame, how much direct sunlight / heat it receives and how many baths or showers you take with your prints.
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I guess that's what I'm looking for then...real optical prints from a digital file.

I'll start searching.
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Apr 21, 2020 12:48:53   #
Having to come back to digital I'm determined to print some images using print houses (not at home due to no darkroom) and I'm wondering; what print house and / or printing process yields a print that is of the same quality as a darkroom print AND has similar longevity?

I don't want an inkjet print that runs when water hits it, or fades in a year or something.


What am I looking for and what is a good print house that would provide it?
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Apr 20, 2020 15:10:29   #
I've been weight training for a couple of years now...it's the fountain of youth for old people. Nothing else puts your hormones in order, burns fat, and makes you able to do more easier and better.
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Apr 19, 2020 11:17:59   #
BebuLamar wrote:
That makes it a rangefinder and not mirrorless. Nice camera! By the way what did you do with your enlarger? I got rid of my enlarger when I got rid of the darkroom but I found the enlarger is very useful when I shoot digital.


I gave everything away. Sad sad sad. I loved that set up.

Boxes and boxes of paper, boxes and boxes of chems, trays...TONS of stuff.
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Apr 19, 2020 07:26:02   #
Well...the Leica M8 is going back. I had a menu fault and also an unexplained blob on the images.

I purchased a factory refurbished Typ 262 instead.

It's the one without live view or video capabilities.


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Apr 17, 2020 15:04:08   #
jwreed50 wrote:
Welcome to the Leica world. After I largely gave up film, I've been through the M8, then M9 and now an M10. Even if you've given up your darkroom, there's still something special about the Leica "feel" that gets you back to the essence of photography. Enjoy your M8 . . . if a rangefinder fits your needs, it's hard to beat a Leica.


Thanks, I had an M6 that I dearly loved before but had to sell it.

A Leica is a beast of a camera that's for sure!
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Apr 17, 2020 15:03:04   #
wilsondl2 wrote:
All you need is a changed bag and developing tanks. - Dave


The developing isn't the part that I'm concerned with, it's the printing. I'm not interested in developing film just to scan it.

In any case, here is the camera and lens #1:




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Apr 17, 2020 11:34:27   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I think you can still develop B&W and C41 without the darkroom then scan your film.


Not for me....that's not satisfying at all. It's only half of the process
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Apr 17, 2020 11:09:37   #
a6k wrote:
I did not have to face the choice as you did. But I actually like digital. My darkroom was going unused. I had a good friend whose son was in college and taking a photography class. The kid got lucky. He even got my old no-meter version of Ashai Pentax (pre-1980) and my one remaining, excellent screw mount 50mm lens. At least it all went to a good home. I lost track of the son when I lost the friend so perhaps the gear is still in use somewhere.

I still have my old Nikon FM2 from '81 and 2 good lenses but the body is just a souvenir and the lenses are OK on my SONY a6500 but they are manual focus.
I eventually discovered that what we now call Post-Processing is a huge opportunity to things that I was never able to do in my darkroom. In addition, I can now work with color whereas before all I could do was B&W. Make lemonade?

You have my sympathy. Where in FL? We are now snowbirds and today I'm back in the north looking at record cold temps and the second day of snow. The picture is a panorama; the left 3 windows are actually all on one wall. The cactus is in a corner. This was yesterday or the day before. I lose track. I miss the sunny south.
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Oh boy...look at that snow. I won't miss it.

We are moving to Port St. Lucie, and I'm looking forward to sun!

PS: I love the FM2, it's my favorite Nikon film camera.
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Apr 17, 2020 10:36:00   #
photosbytw wrote:
SELL THE HOUSE............give up film!!!! That's sacrilegious!!! ................


Haha...I tried.
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Apr 17, 2020 07:55:18   #
BebuLamar wrote:
Certainly the M8 is old and the image quality isn't as good as the newer M10 but for me the biggest draw back of the M8 is the sensor isn't FF. Now your lenses don't give you the same angle of view any more.
In my opinion if I can afford M lenses then the cost of the M10 isn't much by comparison. Say if you buy a Nikon D850 the cost of a 50mm f/1.4 is about 1/6 or 1/5 of the body. But with the M10 the cost of the 50mm f/1.4 is about 1/2 of the body.


I hear what you are saying but the M10 is a LOT more than I paid for the M8. (Used M10 = $5,000, Used M8 = $1,200) Maybe one day but for now...this will do. I don't mind the crop factor at all (I just went to "one wider" on lenses than I normally would) and I LOVE the way the CCD renders the files. I don't "think" that the M10 is a CCD right? The last CCD was the M9.
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Apr 17, 2020 06:05:21   #
Well...I always knew someday it would come and here it is...I have to give up film. I won't shoot film without a darkroom, I don't see the point...that's half of the process (to me) so it's back to digital for me. I'm moving to Florida and the house that my wife wanted most didn't have room for a darkroom so it had to go.

I ordered a Fuji X100V but really wasn't thrilled and since B&H is on their Passover break, I had time to think and came to the conclusion that I hate dials, bells, whistles, buttons, menus and endless choices so I chose a Leica M8, which was their first digital camera. It's very simple, manual focus, just a shutter button, shutter speed dial, ISO dial, and a really simple LCD with some simple menu choices. (you have to take the bottom plate off to get to the SD card and battery, just like a Leica film camera!) Love it.

If I had the cash I'd buy the M10D (which has NO menus, NO LCD, or anything) but I'm not rich :)

I added three lenses, a voigtlander 30mm f/1/4, a Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit, and a Leica 90mm f/2.8 Elmarit, that should cover me for what I want to do.

Really all I'm going to use it for is for vacations, family photos and stuff like that, I don't get thrilled over taking pictures for the sake of just taking pictures.

When it comes today, I'll try and remember to post a picture of it.


PS: you wouldn't BELIEVE how much darkroom stuff I gave away...it was insane, I didn't realize how much stuff I'd aquired over the few short years I've been shooting film.
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