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May 19, 2021 19:24:57   #
Ysarex wrote:
If you want to learn then you need to correct the error in your previous post where you said I wasn't accurate. If you care to elaborate I can try to help.


Well, I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I will definitely apologize to you, I do have much to learn, and I thought I understood this subject, but I have to listen to the more Experienced Photographers.
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May 19, 2021 09:13:25   #
Ysarex wrote:
Not too good.
50mm is the focal length of the lens.
Aperture is the adjustable opening in the lens and yes it controls how much light passes through the lens.
ISO does not control the sensitivity of the light or the sensitivity of the sensor. ISO controls the brightness of the camera generated output image.


If My Understanding of ISO is wrong, what does control or affect the "Brightness" of the "Light that reaches the Sensor after passing thru the #1-the Aperture and then #2-the Shutter?
Would it not be reasonable to say that the "Brightness" of the Light reaching the Sensor is controlled by the final aspect of the "Exposure Triangle", which is #3-the ISO.
That logically, ISO is the ONLY thing left in the 3 ingredients or parts of the Exposure Triangle.
And Yes, I still would apply the word "Sensitivity" with "ISO", the Sensitivity of the ISO would be the final determination of how BRIGHT or DARK your Image will appear.
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May 18, 2021 19:15:48   #
I do not want to Battle with ANY of my UHH Members.
Sometimes our way of Thinking or whatever, create some BRISK DISCUSSIONS.
Sometimes I just feel I am correct in my thinking on a Subject and other times I have No Idea how to reply to my fellow UHH Pals. But I always appreciate learning from others here. Thanks
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May 18, 2021 19:06:09   #
Ysarex wrote:
Not too good.
50mm is the focal length of the lens.
Aperture is the adjustable opening in the lens and yes it controls how much light passes through the lens.
ISO does not control the sensitivity of the light or the sensitivity of the sensor. ISO controls the brightness of the camera generated output image.


No not accurate
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May 18, 2021 18:52:29   #
Orphoto wrote:
Congratulations Silverrails. Despite correction you continue to confuse aperture and focal length. Perseverance Award. 50mm is the focal length, an optical property of the lens. Interestingly enough every other point in your post is correct.

The terminology in this case matters because aperture, used in the correct sense, is a key part of the discussion. Using it the wrong way just muddies the waters.


Ok, So 50mm is the Size or Length of the Lens and the Aperture is what Controls How much LIGHT enters the Lens on it's way to the Shutter, which Controls how much LIGHT Reaches the Sensor, finally the ISO controls the Sensitiveity of the Light On the Sensor. How did I Do? Did I Pass the Test, a "B" for BETTER
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May 18, 2021 16:41:39   #
Florida?
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May 18, 2021 16:33:03   #
mr spock wrote:
Flowing lines and classic aerodynamic styling
Anyone know what year it is?


Looks to me like it is from the Mid to late 1950's, by the Styling.
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May 18, 2021 16:20:59   #
SteveR wrote:
What, selmslie, is the equation that gives you aperture? DOF is not part of that equation. Now, is DOF different in a full frame camera and a crop sensor camera? Quite possibly, but it has nothing to do with aperture. I stand by my statement. There are only two things that affect aperture. Focal length and the effective diameter of the aperture.


Then explain to me when they say on Nikon Crop-Sensor Camera you must use the Aperture of the Lens (50mm) and Multiply it by 1.5 and that equals approximately 75mm, now what is the 75mm. Why does it really matter? Just put the 50mm on the Crop-Sensor and Shoot, if you with your Crop-Sensor Camera stood next to a Photographer with a Full Frame Camera and you both shoot a image of 1968 Ford Mustang, both with a 50mm lens that is exactly 6 yards in front of you, would both those two images look exactly the same?....NO.....
.....One would look closer than the other, Correct?
What is that called, when looking thru the 50mm Lens, with either F.F. or Crop-Sensor Camera?
Would that Not be considered to be your "Field of View" or F.O.V.?

By the Way,..What is "Selmslie"
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May 18, 2021 08:25:16   #
SteveR wrote:
I have not read the entire thread, but the answer to this question is to understand how aperture is calculated. Aperture is the the division of focal length by the effective diameter of the aperture. Now, without any discussion of how this is done, the important takeaway is that the size of the sensor has no effect on aperture in this equation.


Ok, Put your 50mm Lens on a Nikon Crop-Sensor Body. Next Look thru the Lens. Ask yourself, Am I Seeing or experiencing the Same exact "View" thru the Lens, as It Looked when I had the 50mm lens on the Full Frame Camera body??
Why is the Suggestion made when using a Nikon Crop-Sensor Body and a 50mm lens, that you need to Multiple the 50mm Lens x 1.5 which equals the approximate View of a 75mm Lens, what does that new 75mm number now Represent?? F.O.V., A.O.V., or D.O.F.
Why? Is this ( my Understanding ) so Wrong?
Yes, the 50mm Lens DOES NOT suddenly change into a 75mm Lens, it is just the Closer Distance we Experience or Precieve with the 50mm Lens on the Crop-Sensor Body with the Smaller Sensor.
I hope I am making sense to this Seemingly Difficult or hard to understand Subject.
It would have been SO MUCH EASIER if Camera manufacturer's just got rid of all the "Crop-Sensor" Cameras and we all just had Full-Frame Cameras.
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May 17, 2021 21:02:15   #
Ysarex wrote:
One of the factors that determines depth of field is the size of the sensor. So all else being equal (same perspective, same field of view, same exposure as in f/stop) a photo from a smaller sensor camera will have deeper DOF than a photo from a larger sensor camera.


I give up trying to make sense to all these Experts.
A 50mm lens on a Crop-Sensor Camera Body provides the Photographer a NEW F.O.V. which is the applied Formula of the Aperture of the lens on the camera, which in this case is a 50mm lens, you multiple that Aperture of 50mm x 1.5 ( for Nikon Crop-Sensor Cameras) which will equal approximately a 75mm F.O.V. Looking thur the 50nm lens.
This change in the F.O.V. occurs due to the Crop-Sensor Camera has a smaller Sensor size than a Full -Frame Camera,
If that Same exact 50mm lens was mounted on a FULL-FRAME Camera, the F.O.V. would be 50mm, due to the FULL-FRAME Camera has a regular full sized Sensor.
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May 17, 2021 12:09:55   #
ELNikkor wrote:
Sensor size has nothing to do with lens aperture.


Now I agree with that conclusion.
My understanding is that the SENSOR size affects what you view thru the lens that is on the camera at the time the image is created.
So when you have a 50mm Lens on a Crop-Sensor Camera Body, {Ex.= my Nikon D3300}, you will have an equivalent "Field of View" F.O.V. of looking thru a 75mm Lens, due to the applied "CROP-FACTOR" of 50mm x 1.5= 75mm.
Now, some Photographers feel it should be considered as a new "Depth-of-Field" D.O.F. which I am not sure is a correct understanding.
Also, If D.O.F. is a Correct description of this Crop-Factor on the D3300 and other Crop-Sensor Cameras, please provide a further explanation.
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May 16, 2021 20:53:54   #
JD750 wrote:
Exactly! And the attached pic is why.

From this article:
https://photographylife.com/what-is-crop-factor


Thank You for your contribution, that is an excellent illustration showing the aspect of Crop-Sensor Photography.
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May 16, 2021 19:21:33   #
JD750 wrote:
Seems correct except the smaller sensor does not really multiply the field of view.

The easiest way to see it is to draw a circle, let that represent the 50 mm lens image circle. Now draw a 3x2 rectangle inside the circle almost touching the edges. That represents the full size sensor. Now draw a smaller 3x3 rectangle inside the first square. That represents the crop sensor. The field of view to the edges of the crop sensor with the 50mm lens, is equivalent to the field of view to the edges of the full sensor with the 75mm lens.
Seems correct except the smaller sensor does not r... (show quote)


Thanks, it's all over my Head, I suppose when I put my Nikon 50mm 1.8g Lens on my Nikon D3300 "Crop-Sensor Camera it is still only a 50mm 1.8g lens, but when I go to take a Picture of the Lamp on the Living room Table I seem to need to back up a few steps to get the whole lamp correctly in my View. Yes, for some reason that lamp got closer to me when I looked thru my 50mm 1.8g lens on my Nikon D3300 Crop-Sensor Camera??....WHY? For some reason I seemed to somehow get closer to the Lamp, but I never moved any closer, but I had to move Back?..WHY?

I hope this explanation seems more logical to this whole "Crop-Factor" & "Crop-Sensor" Mathematical Measurement of the F.O.V. or as some refer to as D.O.F.
All I know, is if I have 5 patio stones in a row, 1-thru-5, and I am on #5 looking at a Cow, when I look thru the 50mm 1.8g lens on my "Crop-Sensor Camera" I must NOW STEP BACK a Stone or two to have the "whole Cow" correctly in my Vision,.....WHY?... Is this a Change in MY "Field of View" or MY "Depth of Field"??

I certainly hope I am making Sense to SomeOne out there.!!
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May 16, 2021 17:00:24   #
My understanding of the "Crop-Factor" with a Nikon APS-C model Camera is that your actual view thru the Lens, so if you are using a 50mm lens on a APS-C Camera, you must multiply 50mm x 1.5 = 75mm new Field of View thru the Lens. Also this affects the defined D.O.F.= Depth of Field too.
This is created by the Crop-Sensor ASP-C Nikon Camera having a smaller Sensor size, than a FULL-FRAME CAMERA, changing the actual Field of View of the 50mm lens, but physically it is still only a 50mm lens, the smaller sensor multiplies the percepted or Precieved F.O.V. from 50mm to 75mm.
Now, if my understood description of this mathmatical formula is incorrect, PLEASE Correct my understanding, but this is the way I understand the "CROP-FACTOR on a CROP-SENSOR DSLR Camera.
On a Crop-Sensor Canon Camera the Crop Factor is 1.6 x 50mm.
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May 15, 2021 13:58:27   #
twosummers wrote:
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Saying that, Any insight on what Computer ingredients I must have on my Apple Macbook Pro 13" Laptop to be able to run the Luminx AI Program properly without issues arising???
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