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Jul 4, 2014 02:12:40   #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
No one's choice has been taken from them in this case.


Ah, excuse me, yes they have.
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Jul 3, 2014 22:12:32   #
Croce wrote:
Blurry, I can remember when you had a head on your shoulders, lately however, it appears to have been relocated. You are mixing business and religion. I happen to disagree, as 4 of the justices did, with the decision. I stand by my statement: The employees did not seek employment with HL because they wanted pastoral guidance. They should not have to be concerned about their employers religious preferences. I think the decision was terribly erroneous and should never have been accepted as an issue of RFRA. Is the court going forward and moving toward sympathy for a theocracy? In favor of what religion? Who in hell knows. In my opinion if they could sit and come up with something as cockamayme as this ruling, nothing is beyond the realm of imagination.
Blurry, I can remember when you had a head on your... (show quote)


Couldn't agree more. Let's take away their choice of guns and see how they like it.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:42:35   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Why would you say this? The Hobby Lobby case was not about Christianity it was about the exercise of religious freedom and the RFRA law and its application to the federal government. So when I question what that post has to do with that case what I get from you is your calling me an asshole. If you can't keep up with an adult conversation then maybe you should not converse with adults.


Oh, never mind.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:16:37   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
So what does this have to do with the SCOTUS ruling, the first amendment, or RFRA?


Oh, my god, you are such an a..hole! Yep, that's the best I can do right now!
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Jul 2, 2014 13:44:52   #
wlgoode wrote:
Amazing how some believe that insurance companies are there for the common good when nothing could be less true. Are those companies registered non-profits?


Actually more are non profit then aren't.
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Jul 1, 2014 23:38:44   #
64418 wrote:
Actually it is a gain for liberty and freedom. This corporation is a closely held corp., and the owner because he wished to not compromise his religious beliefs , nor should have been made to, decided to fight this government's intrusion. 16 of the contraceptive provisions are still required by them but the abortions methods affecting the post inception period will not be required. Christians believe that life begins at conception and that when you've ended life after conception you've committed murder.

Those that work for him have alternatives, He does not. They can practice safe sex, buy their own post conception abortive drugs, or find somewhere else to work.
Actually it is a gain for liberty and freedom. Thi... (show quote)



Well, there you have it. Go find another job. Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue !
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Jul 1, 2014 23:22:44   #
wlgoode wrote:
Insurance is not a free lunch, it is a paid for lunch that the companies make a profit on and that's why they are in the business.


What?
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Jul 1, 2014 21:28:55   #
Ma-C-L wrote:
People need to take some responsibility for themselves and buy their own contraceptives and not expect government or business to provide for them.
Remember there's no free lunch. We will eventually pay for this, either thru higher taxes or higher consumer prices. Maybe both.
"A government big enough to give everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have."


I'm going to have that made into a bumper sticker!
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Jul 1, 2014 21:04:29   #
onyxtiger wrote:
It's very simple....ALL liberals are hypocritical, lying, subhumans. They don't really give a rat's ass about people. It's all about control...controlling you, your money and making you spend it on them.

They all preach how they're so caring, concerned, and tolerant, about how everybody matters......then call for the destruction of Hobby Lobby, Chick-filet, or anybody that doesn't agree with them.

I'm fast losing my tolerance of liberals, gays and all the other HATE groups. Make no mistake, they're all hate groups.
It's very simple....ALL liberals are hypocritical,... (show quote)


So, are you a good friend of Cliven Bundy?
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Jul 1, 2014 20:55:07   #
Jackinthebox wrote:
Employers should not provide so called health insurance. Employers provide jobs. Take responsibility for your own health insurance.

This goes on page 36. Mostly libs wanting others to pay for their personal habits.

Nice going.


And you pay 100% for your health care? If you didn't know, most of us who have employers that HELP pay for our health insurance get this as part of our pay package. You don't pay for my health care.
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Jul 1, 2014 16:05:17   #
venturer9 wrote:
Hmmmm lets see. we have 30 pages of nothing........

The left hollers, with out proof, Saying that now women are relegated to full time pregnancy or back alley abortions...some have cried that their human rights have been taken away and one has even warned that we are regressing to the Stone age...(Paraphrased) So far, all with out any Proof that any of that is actually happening..

The right hollers, with common sense, that NO, none of those things have happened nor will they happen... NO rights have been taken, Back alley abortions will only be performed if "Planned Parent hood" loses its public taxpayer money it scoops in by the barrel for its abortion clinics and we probably don't have to worry too much about the stone age..everyone loves their iPhone too much......The only thing having to do with ANY woman is that she will have to pay for their own next day abortion medicines..

So.. (and NO DLJEN, I am not telling you what to do....) why don't we jump on another subject and let this one go...lots of hot typing is not changing a single person and we all know it....

Mike
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Well for once we agree. But only about he moving on part.
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Jul 1, 2014 16:03:31   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
If you read through this thread I have made a cogent argument surrounding this decision, something that you are clearly unable to do... But I would welcome the opportunity to read your attempt.


So, okay. I am sure you will consider this a cop out. But frankly I have better things to do with my time then try to convince someone, anyone why I feel my argument is cogent. Suffice it to say, I believe that an employer who is providing health benefits to their employees shouldn't have the right to pick and choose which medical issues they will or will not include in their plans based on their own personal beliefs. States and even the courts have been chipping away at womens reproductive rights for years now and I think we are on a slippery slope as long as people like Clarence Thomas, who has never had an original thougnt by the way, Roberts, Scalia and Alito are on the court. I am very disappointed in Kennedy, I thought he had a back bone.
Now I am done. I need to let this go, for now.
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Jul 1, 2014 15:39:58   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
When and where did these so called rights come from, I have yet to see a liberal address that issue. And please tell me how the case has stripped the employees of Hobby Lobby of any rights... You won't because you have no good basis for an argument and you do not even know what the decision says...


Hey, I have a little tit for tat on that taliban statement of yours that is much more accurate and appropriate.

Liberals are like Ghangis Khan, they would enslave us all and take from us what is rightfully ours...
When and where did these so called rights come fro... (show quote)



Wow, touche'!!! You certainly told me!
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Jul 1, 2014 15:37:52   #
dljen wrote:
Don't worry about that, Marblclear, emotions are high on both sides and people are being mean. I was furious yesterday because I am very much pro-choice and to me, this is on the road to taking our rights away. HL stands as a very self-righteous company and the religious owners, the Greens, are not so smart, in my opinion. They'd better have a lot of crafty conservative women shopping or they may be in a heap of trouble. I may be wrong about that, but women are boycotting and I've no reason to think they won't. Time will tell.

Some women cannot use oral birth control and the only option open to those women is an IUD. HL has chosen to believe that religion trumps medicine and has put their judgement on that. Getting an IUD costs from $500-$1000. Whatever. I just hope this does not become law for everyone...our nation is regressing because of the Republican Supremes. The Republicans on UHH can pretend this is wrong, denouncing it any way they want but women see this as the Republican war on women.
Don't worry about that, Marblclear, emotions are h... (show quote)


High Five!
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Jul 1, 2014 15:14:42   #
Screamin Scott wrote:
So, tell me. How is this ruling making us go "backwards in time"?... My wife agrees with the ruling as well & she is a woman...No one is denying a woman the right to use one of these methods, just that the employer in this case does not want to pay for it. Does that mean you can't go & pay for it on your own dime ? No it doesn't....BTW, I am an agnostic, so your claims about my being a Christian have no bearing in fact. You merely have shown that you are nothing more than a bigot...
So, tell me. How is this ruling making us go "... (show quote)


Oh wow, my feelings are hurt. I didn't call you a christian, so I made a bad assumption about where your coming from. However, since you wife is married to you, I think that says it all. I'm sorry that wasn't nice. I apologize.
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