I only appear to you and others that oppose me to be insecure. I am far from being insecure I am very secure in my faith in God and His creation. Are you sure its not those that oppose me and continually troll on my threads that are insecure about their beliefs? I would say they are very insecure that they feel the need to oppose me with their believe they are insecure.[/quote]


So why do you feel the need to keep posting the same old stuff?

If you really do believe what you post why not just live your life with your beliefs and leave it at that, there really would be no need to keep posting if you truly believed yourself to be right, no one else's opinions would matter.

So you say god isn't a true Christian as god isn't obliged to forgive anyone but your quote says " Yes, true Christians forgive all unconditionally! "

Something doesn't seem right with your statement as I see it, please explain.

So even non believers will get salvation as we will all be forgiven unconditionally and be allowed into heaven then?

I will say this for you Rac, your persistent, to the point of obsession lol

Why do you need to keep trying to convince others of your beliefs, is not the fact you believe enough for you or are you just unsure and need further reassurance as that is how you come across.

You do appear to be very insecure and lacking in self belief.

Read the previous posts, it wasn't me that brought the car and a gun into the argument and I did state that using the car and gun analogy wasn't a good one.

Bangee feel free to stop trying to answer my questions but if you wish to continue at least do me the service of actually reading what I wrote in response to others replies please.

A car has sensors and systems in place to stop things going wrong, these were put there through intelligent design. What did god put in place to ensure a similar situation with man? Nothing, he left it up to us you say. Why design something and give it the ability to do something you don't want it to and then punish it for doing exactly that. It just doesn't make sense to me and I say it again, an all powerful creator surely wouldn't do that no would he.

The car was doing what it was intended for as was the gun, they are controlled by the user, a gun left alone will do no harm, not sure where you meant to go with that analogy??????

Was it not god that gave free will to his creation though?

god made man so if man has flaws then god gave man that ability too, how hard is that to understand?

I don't believe there is a good and am trying to show you why I think that. No real all powerful god would make something with a flaw in it surely as that really doesn't make sense. Can you answer why you think your god made us with flaws?

Why would anything so intelligent create something that doesn't believe in it's creator is another oddity.

Bangee don't be stupid I am not comparing a physical object to a myth, I am comparing mans drive to make something perfect against your, so say, all powerful god creating something with a built in flaw which I don't see as intelligent.

If he did make man with a drive for perfection, and I as one of them try to make something perfect, why didn't he use that same trait?

Rac I said we don't make engines with known faults unlike your god who apparently made man with quite a biggy. That is why I can't agree with the relationship between god and intelligent design as his own creation says otherwise :P

We aim for perfection whereas you think your god is perfection.

I do care about people and do everything in my power to make the perfect engine so people won't suffer from failure unlike your god :-P

I would like to think an intelligent designer would make a better job of it all, by all means leave in a few problems to solve but problems that may prove fatal as that is rather extreme.

Next time you fly just remember how we, as engineers, try to make the engine as perfect as possible as we value your lives. I suppose if we were to make them with a known element of failure built in and tell you all about it you would still have the choice to use them or not though.

So god made Adam and also built in the ability to choose his own course including doing wrong.

Why on Earth would anyone build something with a potential flaw in it, doesn't sound very intelligent to me.

Imagine if the aero engines I build had known possible flaws built into them which a series of events could cause a failure, I bet you wouldn't be happy with me now would you. We try our very best to make the perfect engine.

Your god has, in your opinion, the power of life and death so surely a little help wouldn't be too much of a problem. You follow his wishes after all so what is he telling you to do about he recent earthquakes, tornados and various other disasters and more importantly what evidence is there of his help. I see a lot of willing helpers but no god performing miracles to aid them.