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Oct 29, 2023 20:14:41   #
I have owned a D750 since the camera first came out in 2014. Fantastic camera. I personally put over 120,000 clicks on it and seriously abused it. It took the abuse and finally after 10 years and all those clicks I'm trading it in on another used D750! I also own a D600 and a D850. The D850 is a wonderful camera but very heavy compared to the D750. I'm a wedding shooter and shooting with the D850 for hours like I do is very hard on the arms and wrists and hard on my hips and back when I carry it on my belt holster. And I shoot the D850 at 25 MPX. I don't need the higher resolution and I sure don't need the big files. 20 some mpx is a very good res level. The image quality of the D750 is fantastic. I've used it in low light quite a bit. I really enjoy night photography. Great camera. As for APS C cameras, I've taken a new look at them and as far as I can tell their only advantage is that they weigh a lot less. They are better than cell phones but I have no interest in going downscale on my images. Sensor size matters. The negatives of the D750 won't matter for the kind of photography you're doing, but here they are. Incredibly small buffer so when you use burst mode it won't take many photos before it fills up and you have to wait for it to clear. Occasionally in low light I need to light up my subject with a flashlight to get focus. The AF system works on contrast so you need at least a little light to get contrast. That's all I can think of. That's why I bought another one :)
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Oct 24, 2023 13:13:21   #
therwol wrote:
I didn't compare every lens. Who has time? It would appear that the Z lenses almost always beat their F mount counterparts, at least according to DXOMark. One exception would seem to be the Fmount 35mm f/1.8. In any case, some third party lenses would seem to be good alternatives to the Nikon F mount lenses. The tests were done on two different camera models, Z7 and D850, but the pixel count is the same, and the sensors are similar. You can draw your own conclusions. Download to see the ratings clearly. Also, it was not possible in every case to compare lenses with exactly the same specs.
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Thanks. Good reference.
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Oct 19, 2023 13:45:01   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Features are better, especially mirrorless, and then even more: the mirrorless-specific lenses. Changes to the lens mount for mirrorless enable different and better lenses. The newest (and most expensive) mirrorless lenses are amazing wide open, better than any aperture size of the older D/SLR designs.

That said, giving up on great to get greatest is a fool's errand. There will always be something newest and better, but none of those improvements impact the existing equipment. None of the DSLRs turn to dust when a MILC is sold.

The Thomas902 chart would be a great way to investigate the differences, if any. His chart, if you're actively onto Flickr.com, is interactive, in the sense you can click the camera and get a display of images that support that count. What the gear-heads don't understand is you're looking at the artist's edited results, not the native capabilities of the camera body. Those images are more about the lenses, and the digital editing, not the camera or even 'how / how much' the body enabled that result in the hands of the artist.
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Oct 19, 2023 11:35:22   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
I won't copy the chart, but the Canon stats at Flickr this morning show more emphasis on DSLRs, with only 2 mirrorless in the top 5 for Canon. My 10-yr old EOS 5DIII falls #4 on the list from 390 of my fellow daily Flickr users ...

So, a great camera is 'great' over time, such as the D750s and D850s discussed in this thread.


Someone else in this thread pointed out that once sensors reached 24 MPX that they hit a sweet spot of resolution. I have certainly felt that way which is why I shoot my new D850 at 25 MPX. Image quality does not seem to have improved in the last decade, nor has dynamic range. All the improvements are in other areas - frame rates per second, metering, all important AF, and other similar things. So it's not surprising to me that DSLRs of the last decade are still high on the list. New mirrorless cameras are pricey. The old cameras were extremely well built. Why spend money you don't have to spend? If I really needed better AF, instead of just lusting for it ;), or some other aspect of the new cameras, then maybe. But still, you have to learn a new camera and you have to spend a lot of money.
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Oct 19, 2023 11:29:19   #
Thomas902 wrote:
"... The D3 is a beast. So yeah, picking up a D750 after using it, it would feel small and cheap...

Hal, I would advise you to visit your favorite optometrist at your earliest convenience in as I clearly stated I shoot with the Nikon D3x (notice the "X" after the three). Released in December 2008 it remains Nikon's flagship DSLR and I'm likely going to retire while still shooting this epic DSLR (I have a pair and have used them on countless commercial assignments for well over a decade... Note that the D3x has the same resolution of your beloved D750. (I have very few clients who's requirements actually predicate that much resolution).

That said please do follow up with an ophthalmologist (specialist) if your optometrist believes you may have a more complex medical issue... I've had several colleagues suffer catastrophic vision loss due to Age-related Macular Degeneration (a devastating silent condition if not discovered in a timely manner.)

As for your beloved Nikon D750? It still is highly popular even today (October 19, 2023) and flickr statistics validate the aforementioned. See below.

Final thoughts? Hal the most valuable camera accessory I've purchased in the past decade is my flickr Pro Membership. Why? flickr allows you to search via EXIF data embedded within image files.... Thus I'm able to analyze the degree of "commercial publication quality" latent within same. This is possible both by camera body and attached lens. Publication Image Quality (I've discovered) rarely correlates 1:1 directly to popularity... However camera build quality approaches this far more accurately... I assisted many commercial photographers in my market, they all shared the same advice... Wait until the next vendor high end model release and then purchase "Old" new stock at considerable savings. Lesson's learned.

Again wishing you much success on your photographic journey Hal...
Cheers! Thomas
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Thanks for the research. It's very interesting and I'm glad to see the D750 is still so popular. I seriously considered buying a 2nd D850 as it's much more advanced than the D750 and pretty inexpensive at this point but I value the lower weight of the D750 for travel so as I already have one D850, going to stick with the D750 for the 2nd body.

As for vision - yes, at age 72, have my share of issues but it wasn't vision that was the problem. It was reading too fast. My photography mentor recently bought a used D3. Haven't heard from him yet how he likes it. But the D3X seems to be quite different than the D3. Interesting that they kept the same D3 designation for it.
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Oct 18, 2023 23:19:35   #
Thomas902 wrote:
Nikon's Authoritative DSLR Camera Hierarchy


Good stuff. Thanks.
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Oct 18, 2023 22:07:08   #
Judy795 wrote:
So which one should I use for indoor rodeo photos this coming Sunday? I have the D500, D750, and D850. I like the speed of the D500, the weight of the D750, and the low light ability of the D850. Only taking one with me.


Sounds like a Frankenstein experiment! The D57850iii? I don't own a D500 but if you're going to be taking action photos from a distance, you might want the extra reach a crop sensor gives you. The D750, as you are probably well aware, has a very small buffer. So shooting action with it can be problematic as you can't use burst mode very much.
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Oct 18, 2023 12:08:49   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Little old lady on Sundays, LOL. A great euphemism for the UHH community who regularly posts for-sale cameras with sub 10K shutter counts. Personally, I shoot a pair of Canon 5DIIIs (full-frame, 22MP). I bought both lightly used nearly 10 years ago. Both report over 120K shutter usage. I thought I'd get into event shooting, but never did beyond the early years. Two identical cameras is a nice luxury, either shooting both together or keeping different lenses mounted around the house to grab for immediate needs and purposes. But mostly, I have more cameras than I can shoot, with also a Sony mirrorless and a film body.

Regarding resale value and DSLR market conditions, I'm a firm believer in unloading unused equipment as soon as the replace body has arrived. Every day one holds onto unused equipment is another day it loses more value. Only you can decide if the shooting features of the D750 justify getting another one (or a repair) and dumping the D600. Or, just hold the D600 as secondary and travel, possibly until it presents a problem and the issue is revisited. Rereading, it seems you've already grabbed another D750?

These pro-grade cameras are built to lost. Once the sensors reached the 20 to 24MP standard, we had all the 'camera' the vast majority of us will ever need. Some of us in the UHH community actually bought the final camera we'd ever need, although few in the community seem to think that way until they've wasted money on still another one.

Just some personal thoughts on the question of this thread. Mirrorless bodies are superior in their features, but the images are identical, just like most digital sensors since we reached that 20MP threshold. Good shooting ...
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Couldn't agree more and yes, have already ordered the lightly used D750. Do I wish it was a D850? Mixed so I'll save the money. Hard to beat 2,800 clicks on a used D750
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Oct 18, 2023 12:03:41   #
larryepage wrote:
I am happy that you have found a solution that works for you. Hopefully you will be able to find a home for your D600. I bought a used D610 when I first decided to try full frame, but decided after about two days that there was no way it was going to work for me. The list of reasons was quite long. Fortunately, I was able to trade it for a D810, which worked out much better. Unfortunately, a lot of retailers have back rooms stacked to the ceiling right now with mirror-box cameras that they have taken in trade for mirrorless cameras. Several stores in Texas are no longer accepting them in trade or purchasing them at all. It's possible that the market might change, but that might take a while. Your best option might be to find a nice compact lens and take advantage of the D600's reduced size forf a discrete "project camera," or perhaps for capturing candid shots at weddings.

While I still have and use the D810, my main cameras now are D500s and D850s. They have some control refinements that make them much nicer to shoot, and I do not miss the pop-up flash anywhere near as much as I thought. I've got a couple of SB-400s that I can quickly pull out if necessary. They are stronger, wider, and don't create a shadow from being too close to the lens when using shorter focal lengths, even with their low-profile design.

Anyway...have fun with your new camera.
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Oct 18, 2023 11:05:20   #
Thomas902 wrote:
"The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank."

Hal the D750 is a consumer grade camera which lacks the robust build of a Pro Body... I shoot the D800e and D810 both of which are vastly better designed and made... btw, the D800e is actually made in Japan... Like the Lion's share of all Nikon's Pro Level cameras... See the Lifestyle Fitness Editorial below shot with a Nikon D810 (Pro-Body)

Your consumer D750 is made in Thailand... I also lacks 1/8000 of a second and has required more firmware fixes than nearly all other consumer grade Nikon's (except maybe the "Oil-Slinging" D600 which Nikon refused to acknowledge) That is until the heat became too intense... At this juncture they had to do a massive D600 recall...

Nope, the D750 feels like a toy to me after shooting my D3x for 10 hours straight... If you are happy with your D750 good for you... I certainly wouldn't trust it on a critical client assignment... btw, the D850 is rather useless to me since it doesn't have a popup flash which I use extensively as an optical trigger for my studio strobes... besides it's bloated file size slows post workflow and I'm not about to shoot it cropped... but then again if you don't have to post process a client's deliverables in a timely manor you'll not be much concerned about workflow optimization... Oh, your D850 is made offshore in Thailand also Hal... Not in Japan.

However thank you so much for choosing Nikon as your platform of choice...
An awesome vendor with a stellar track record who's kit I've been paying the bills with ever since my Nikon F3...
All the best on your photographic journey Hal... Cheers! Thomas
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Thanks for your very detailed reply based on your considerable experience. But I see it differently. The D3 is a beast. So yeah, picking up a D750 after using it, it would feel small and cheap. But Nikon put carbon fiber in the D750 to lighten the weight. Wielding a D3 in a wedding, boy, what a workout. So I and my shoulders really appreciate Nikon's efforts to make the D750 a little lighter. As far as I can tell it has the lowest weight in the Nikon full frame lineup. That's an attraction to me.

As for build, I bought the camera new in 2014. I have shot something like 60 weddings with it, banging it through crowds, and I've traveled around the world with it. Had an ocean wave hit me in a sea cave with the camera hanging on my hip and getting totally submerged in salt water. In another sea cave the bag it was in washed overboard when we capsized. We were able to retrieve it but the bag was compromised. More salt water. And walking through a stream under a waterfall I tripped on rocks and the camera went completely underwater.

After all this and 120,000 clicks the camera finally needed repair. So if it's a toy, it's one of the best built toys ever.

I have a second shooter that has a D810. I process his photos. The only difference in the output is all those extra megapixels create more noise and take longer to load. Thanks but no thanks.

The flagship Nikons like the D3 typically have faster shutter speeds and frame rates per second. Very important if you shoot sports or high action. I don't. The D750 goes to 1/4000 of a sec. I can literally count on one hand the number of times that I bumped up against that as a problem. And if the build is even more durable, and I'm sure it is, it's overkill for me given what I've put my D750 through for 10 years.

For you and your uses, the flagships may be very important. For me they are expensive overbuilt very heavy pieces of gear.
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Oct 18, 2023 10:48:42   #
photoman43 wrote:
Larry wrote exactly what I was going to write. Since you already have a D850, I would get a second used D850. Look for one "lightly used." This might not be that difficult as smany may have been sold to fund Z8 or a Z9. A used D750 might be well used.


It's not. The one I bought about a month ago only has 9,600 shutter count. Shot a wedding with it and while the controls are a little different than the D750, it's only a little. I had planned to shoot the wedding with a D750 and D600. When I started shooting the D750's hotshoe failed so I grabbed the D850, which I'd only had for a week at that point. If you've never shot a wedding, it's rather intense in regards to equipment usage. Close to non-stop shooting for hours. With the D750 and D600, they are so similar that I rarely know which one I'm using. Shooting a wedding with the D850 and D600 the experience was similar, though a little more pronounced. But really, it's not a factor. So what if the ISO button is on top instead of down the left side? It's not like I change ISO much during a wedding.

And I found a used D750 with only 2,800 clicks on the shutter. Amazing. I guess it was owned by the proverbial little old lady who only drove it to church on Sundays. Trading in my old D750 as is, and a couple of lenses I never use and my out of pocket is just a few hundred - and I end up with a like new D750.

The only problem I'm finding is that I'm finding that there is almost zero market for my D600. It's in very good condition but the used camera places didn't want it and looking on Ebay the few on there have close to zero bids on them. I know the D600 had problems when new but mine was repaired by Nikon and zero problems since. So, I don't know. Might donate it to a school. It also raises the possibility that in a few years when I go to buy a used Z8 there won't be any market for the D750 anymore, but, as someone recently said, "I'll burn that bridge when I come to it."

Would I be better off with 2 D850's? It's open to debate. I only shoot about 10 weddings a year. For portrait work I only use one body. And for travel I really like the lower weight of the D750. So yeah, the model is at least partly obsolete but it still produces some of the best image quality with one of the largest dynamic range.
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Oct 17, 2023 23:17:22   #
b top gun wrote:
My D7100 is the last DX Nikon I purchased; I keep it handy for back up and when I have need to shoot indoors because it has a pop-up flash which has saved the day multiple times. When the D850 was announced I made the quantum leap from DX to FX and went for broke. It has been my go to Nikon for several years and multiple trips to the Pac NW. I had a D780 for a short time; bought it because of its touted video capability; touted as superior to the D850. I did not keep the D780 long enough to really find out. Nikon made me an offer I could not refuse, so I got a Z 8. Just got back from a week in Alaska, had both the D850 and Z 8 with. By the morning of my third day out there my D850 was relegated to back up for the Z 8. I never thought I would ever make the switch to mirrorless; never say "never". At present I use two Nikkor FX lenses on both the D850 and Z 8; use a non VR version of the 24-70 f/2.8 and latest iteration 70-200 f/2.8 VR. I think the 24-70 on the Z 8 takes sharper pics now than when I had it on the D780. My experience for what it is worth.
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Thanks. All useful to know. I'm not surprised the Z8 is better. Really I'd be very discouraged if it wasn't as it's 5 years newer and $500 more than the D850 was in 2018. Maybe I'll own one in 5 years 😊
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Oct 17, 2023 18:06:46   #
TonyP wrote:
Thanks Hal. Pleased to hear that as an existing owner you think they are good enough to buy another. Sort of confirming my decision.
Cheers


The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank. Lighter than other full frame Nikons. I'll be very happy to keep one on hand. I call it my backup but it's likely to continue to be my main travel camera because of its weight and when I shoot weddings I shoot with two bodies. One gets a 24-70 and the other gets the 70-200. So it'll get plenty of use.
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Oct 17, 2023 17:40:05   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Sorry Hal. I was responding directly to Tony P on a somewhat unrelated post, except for his expressed GAS and a D750 bid he's made. From the other comments to your OP, it seems my earlier assessment of the D750 being the best of breed in Nikon's 24MP FF options was accurate, and you're not going to get the D850 AF functionality shared elsewhere, except the D500. Other than the need for a back-up and / or 2nd body for event shooting, you might try living with the D850 and see how things shake out for a bit.
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Thanks! Your comment inadvertently went click in my brain. I'm used to thinking of my D750 as my main camera and my D600 as my backup. But my recently acquired D850 is now my frontline camera. I don't need another one to serve as a backup! That's the word that clicked for me. Thanks. Decision made. Selling the D600 and getting a used D750 as backup.
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Oct 17, 2023 17:27:20   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You might find the D7100 more useful with an 18-140 DX VR lens, a great general purpose lens that seems to be missing in your kit, and would be cheaper than a FF camera and corresponding FX lens of nearly the same equivalent focal length. The 24-120 idea also overlaps with another FX lens in the 24-70.


Never been a fan of superzooms but it's been a long time since I looked at them. As for crop sensor cameras, I really have no interest. I looked at the D500 when it came out and didn't think it was as good as my D750. If I was a wildlife enthusiast this would obviously all be different, but I'm not. I'm more interested in going to medium format but have so far resisted that. Yes, I know crop sensor cameras are smaller and cheaper but they are cheaper for a reason. As for lenses, I have more than I need for my uses. 15-30 f2.8 tamron, 24-70 f2.8 tamron, 70-200 f2.8 tamon so pretty much the holy trinity there. Also have numerous primes but the only one I use to any extent is the Nikkor 85mm f1.8. For travel I have a Nikkor 18-35 with a variable aperture. It's a nice lightweight lens with above average sharpness for an inexpensive lens. I so rarely need telephoto while traveling. On a trip to Europe this past spring I almost never took the telephoto out of the bag. So often I'm either inside a museum, church, or in a narrow street that the wide angle zoom is the most useful. Ditto for the occasional vista.

For astro photography and light painting I use the tamron 15-30. For weddings I mostly use the 24-70. The only reason I could ever see going to a crop sensor would be if I needed the extra reach to turn something like a 600mm into a 900mm but I never do that kind of shooting so no need.

I'd say that 75% of my use is for weddings and portraits. The rest is night photography and travel. The only thing a crop sensor would make sense for in regards to those uses would be travel and I can't see having a body just for travel. In fact, I have an old Sony NEX 6. Super light but not nearly as good as the D750 so when I travel I accept the extra weight in order to get better pictures of places I'll likely never get back to.
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