So there we have it officially then from Mike. US citizens are more prepared to put up with the annual school massacre rather than introduce any controls that reduce them if they impinge in any way on their gun possession rights. Good luck folks.

Well that condition restricts it to a pretty small number I guess.

My wife has just happened to read through some of these postings and asked me why I argued with idiots when they would eventually drag me down to their level and then beat me with their experience. Of course she is perfectly right, I had just failed to spot it.

If the evil men, as you call them found it far more difficult to get the guns, as they do in other countries, the problems would be far less, but from your responses, I cannot expect you to undertand this basic logic. So just keep handing out the guns and accept the deaths, proving beyond all doubt how little you do actually care. You make all the right noises, but then do abolsutely nothing.

I will never fail to be amazed at the pathetic coments that are being made here attempting to justify the unjustyable, when the sad fact is none of them are addressing the main problem you and no other country has and that is the problem of school massacres. It is so obvious from most of your responses, that as I thought, you gun slingers just don't care about them. So sad really

That is absolute rubbish. Analyse the facts. My research indicates that none of the perpetrators of these killings would have been classed as criminals before carrying out the massacres they did.

You just don't get it do you? The bottom line is that the USA is the only country in the World with such ridiculous laws relating to gun possession. It is also the only country in the World that has a succession on school massacres. It is sickening that no one there makes the obvious connection and stops this cycle of killings. You seem resigned to merely put up with this dreadful situation attempting to justify it with some outdated constitutional point. You seem to ignore the fact that such slaughter does not happen elsewhere in the World because the laws relating to gun possession almost always ensure that unstable people cannot get their hands on firearms. This is not the case in the USA and it is sickening that all you do is try to justify the situation by throwing up smoke screens with verbose statements and diatribe, but fail to address the obvious, clear and basic problem you have in your own country concerning gun possession.

This of course is the ultimate response from one trying to defend the indefensible when they realise their argument is totally lost.

If the 'others' are 'bad guys' as you state it proves how stupid your laws are to allow them to be armed. A feature of your recent massacres is that almost all the perpetrators seemed to be in legal possession of the guns they used to kill so many innocents. This seems to be the most shocking feature in your recent massacres.
If you are going to use UK crime figures, have the decency to use the most recent and the intelligence to understand the UK recording system gives a totally false impression when used to compare crime rates between countries.
Even if you were vaguely right in your comments, there no claim that to be armed would alter anything. again proving how stupid the claims I have read here by gun supporters are.
Even where I am now in South Africa that has seen the worst apartheid violence and now horrible murders related to drugs, etc in the Townships there is no demand to be armed, the firearms laws here being virtually identical to the UK.
Listening to you and your ilk trying to defend the indefensible is a most pathetic exercise, but one we unfortunately have to put up with, along no doubt with future massacres

What utter unadulterated crap

Many of these Yanks are getting totally confused between the bad guys with guns and the others who can easily access guns as a result of their stupid laws,like the ones usually responsible for these regular massacres obtain them. The gun supporters are so up their own arses, they cannot see the true picture and even if they could, don't want to acknowledge it.

Most photographic mags publish technical data alongside pictures they show as I guess, their readers will be interested. However, I wonder how many people viewing the Mona Lisa wonder how de Vinci mixed the paint, what the structure of the paint was or the sizes of the brushes he used to apply the paint. I guess perhaps only painters wonder about this, whereas the rest if us are happy to merely view it on artistic merits. Perhaps at the end of the day photographic pictures may be seen similarly.

Found this list for USA. No other country in the World that I could find has anything remotely approaching it

List of school-related attacks
Name Location Date Year Number of Victims
Bath School bombings Bath, Michigan May 18 1927 45
University of Texas Massacre Austin, Texas August 1 1966 16
Olean High School shooting1 Olean, New York December 30 1974 3
St. James Grammar School Penns Grove, New Jersey February 24 1975 1 killed 2 wounded
Princeton Day School Princeton, New Jersey April 3 1975 1 wounded
California State University, Fullerton massacre Fullerton, California July 12 1976 7
Cleveland Elementary School shooting San Diego, California January 29 1979 2
Deer Creek Middle School shooting Littleton, Colorado April 7 1982 1
Parkway South Middle School shooting Manchester, Missouri January 20 1983 2
Goddard Middle School shooting Goddard, Kansas January 21 1985 1 deceased, 3 wounded
Portland Junior High School shooting Portland, Connecticut December 10 1985 1
Pine Forest Senior High School Fayetteville, North Carolina May 6 1986
Pinellas Park High School Largo, Florida February 11 1988 1
Hubbard Woods School shooting Winnetka, Illinois May 20 1988 1
Atlantic Shores Christian School shooting Chesapeake, Virginia December 16 1988 1
Cleveland School massacre Stockton, California January 17 1989 6
University of Iowa shooting Iowa City, Iowa November 1 1991 6[citation needed]
Lindhurst High School shooting Olivehurst, California May 1 1992 4[citation needed]
Palo Duro High School shooting Amarillo, Texas September 11 1992 0[citation needed]
Berkner High School shooting Richardson, Texas November 6 1992 1[citation needed]
Edward Tilden High School shooting Chicago, Illinois November 20 1992 1[citation needed]
Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting Great Barrington, Massachusetts December 14 1992 2[citation needed]
East Carter High School shooting Grayson, Kentucky January 18 1993 2[citation needed]
Fairfax High School shooting Los Angeles, California January 21 1993 1[citation needed]
Amityville High School shooting Amityville, New York February 1 1993 1[citation needed]
Reseda High School shooting Reseda, California February 22 1993 1[citation needed]
Wauwatosa West High School shooting Wauwatosa, Wisconsin December 1 1993 1[citation needed]
Central Middle School shooting Sheridan, Wyoming September 17 1993 1[citation needed]
Margaret Leary Elementary School shooting Butte, Montana April 12 1994 1[citation needed]
Grimsley High School shooting Greensboro, North Carolina October 12 1994 1[citation needed]
Wickliffe Middle School shooting Wickliffe, Ohio November 7 1994 1[citation needed]
Blackville-Hilda High School shooting Blackville, South Carolina October 12 1995 2[citation needed]
Richland High School shooting Lynnville, Tennessee November 15 1995 2[citation needed]
Frontier Middle School shooting Moses Lake, Washington February 2 1996 3[citation needed]
Hamilton High School shooting Scottdale, Georgia February 2 1996 1[citation needed]
San Diego State University shooting San Diego, California August 15 1996 3[citation needed]
Hetzel Union Building shooting State College, Pennsylvania September 17 1996 1[citation needed]
Bethel Regional High School shooting Bethel, Alaska February 19 1997 2[citation needed]
Pearl High School shooting Pearl, Mississippi October 1 1997 2[citation needed]
Heath High School shooting Paducah, Kentucky December 1 1997 3[citation needed]
Westside Middle School shooting Jonesboro, Arkansas March 24 1998 5[citation needed]
Parker Middle School dance shooting1 Edinboro, Pennsylvania April 24 1998 1
Thurston High School shooting Springfield, Oregon May 21 1998 2[citation needed]
Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado April 20 1999 15[citation needed]
Heritage High School shooting Conyers, Georgia May 20 1999 0[citation needed]
Fort Gibson Middle School shooting Fort Gibson, Oklahoma December 6 1999 0[citation needed]
Buell Elementary School shooting Mount Morris Township, Michigan February 29 2000 1[citation needed]
Lake Worth Middle School shooting Lake Worth, Florida May 26 2000 1[citation needed]
University of Arkansas shooting Fayetteville, Arkansas August 28 2000 2[citation needed]
Santana High School shooting Santee, California March 5 2001 2[citation needed]
Granite Hills High School shooting El Cajon, California March 22 2001 0[citation needed]
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School shooting Manhattan, New York January 15 2002 0[citation needed]
Appalachian School of Law shooting Grundy, Virginia January 16 2002 3[citation needed]
John McDonogh High School shooting New Orleans, Louisiana April 14 2003 1[citation needed]
University of Arizona Nursing School shooting Tucson, Arizona October, 28 2002 4[citation needed]
Red Lion Area Junior High School shootings Red Lion, Pennsylvania April 24 2003 2[citation needed]
Case Western Reserve University shooting Cleveland, Ohio May 9 2003 1 Template:Http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15767366/
Rocori High School shooting Cold Spring, Minnesota September 24 2003 2[citation needed]
Columbia High School shooting East Greenbush, New York February 9 2004 0[citation needed]
Fairleigh Dickinson University shooting Florham Park, New Jersey April 4 2004 2[citation needed]
Randallstown High School shooting Randallstown, Maryland May 7 2004 0[citation needed]
Red Lake Senior High School massacre Red Lake, Minnesota March 21 2005 8[citation needed]
Campbell County High School shooting Jacksboro, Tennessee November 8 2005 1[citation needed]
Pine Middle School shooting Reno, Nevada March 14 2006 0[citation needed]
Essex Elementary School shooting[44] Essex, Vermont August 24 2006 2
Orange High School shooting Hillsborough, North Carolina August 30 2006 1[citation needed]
Platte Canyon High School shooting Bailey, Colorado September 27 2006 2[citation needed]
Weston High School shooting Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29 2006 2[citation needed]
Amish school shooting Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania October 2 2006 6[citation needed]
Henry Foss High School shooting Tacoma, Washington January 3 2007 1[citation needed]
Herbert Henry Dow High School Midland, Michigan March 8 2007 1[citation needed]
University of North Carolina at Greensboro Greensboro, North Carolina March 24 2007 0 The victim, Stephen Cobb, was shot by Brian Patrick Martin when an argument about a potential drug deal that went bad.[45]
University of Washington shooting Seattle, Washington April 2 2007 2[citation needed]
Virginia Tech massacre Blacksburg, Virginia April 16 2007 32[citation needed]
Delaware State University shooting Dover, Delaware September 21 2007 1[citation needed]
SuccessTech Academy shooting Cleveland, Ohio October 10 2007 1[citation needed]
Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana February 8 2008 3[citation needed]
Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee February 11 2008 0[citation needed]
E.O. Green School shooting Oxnard, California February 12 2008 1[citation needed]
Northern Illinois University massacre DeKalb, Illinois February 14 2008 6[citation needed]
Davidson High School Shooting Mobile, Alabama March 9 2008 1[citation needed]
Central High School shooting Knoxville, Tennessee August 21 2008 1[citation needed]
Henry Ford High School shooting Detroit, Michigan October 16 2008 1[citation needed]
2008 University of Central Arkansas shootings Conway, Arkansas October 27 2008 2[citation needed]
Dillard High School shooting Fort Lauderdale, Florida November 12 2008 1[citation needed]
Henry Ford Community College shooting Dearborn, Michigan April 10 2009 2[citation needed]
Hampton University Hampton, Virginia April 26 2009 0[citation needed]
Covina High School shooting Covina, California April 30 2009 0[46]
Wesleyan University1 Middletown, Connecticut May 1 2009 1
Canandaigua Academy shooting Canandaigua, New York May 5 2009 1[citation needed]
Harvard University Cambridge, Massachusetts May 18 2009 1 Justin Cosby, 21, was shot sometime before 5 p.m. Monday in J-Entry of Kirkland House. The Harvard University Police responded at approximately 4:48 p.m., and Cosby was taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where he died [47]
Larose-Cut Off Middle School shooting Larose, Louisiana May 18 2009 1[citation needed]
Skyline College shooting San Bruno, California September 2 2009 0[citation needed]
Atlanta University Center Atlanta, Georgia September 3 2009 1 Sophomore Jasmine Lynn was shot around 12:30 a.m. Thursday September 3, 2009 on James P. Brawley Drive in the Atlanta University Center, according to the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office.[48]
Deer Valley High School shooting Antioch, California September 16 2009 0[citation needed]
Northern Virginia Community College Woodbridge, Virginia December 8 2009 0[citation needed]
Discovery Middle School Madison, Alabama February 5 2010 1[49]
University of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville, Alabama February 12 2010 3[50]
Deer Creek Middle School Littleton, Colorado February 23 2010 0[51]
Birney Elementary School Tacoma, Washington February 26 2010 1[52]
Ohio State University Columbus, Ohio March 9 2010 2[53]
Belleville Township HS East Belleville, Illinois August 17 2010 1[54]
University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas September 28 2010 1[55]
Alisal High School Salinas, California October 1 2010 1[56][57]
Mid-Atlantic Christian University Elizabeth City, North Carolina October 3 2010 1[58]
Kelly Elementary School Carlsbad, California October 8 2010 2 (wounded)[59][60]
Marinette High School Marinette, Wisconsin November 29 2010 1[61]
Millard South High School shooting Omaha, Nebraska, United States January 5 2011 2[62]
Martinsville West Middle School Martinsville, Indiana March 25 2011 0[63]
Worthing High School Houston, Texas March 30 2011 1[64]
Ross Elementary School Houston, Texas April 19 2011 0[65]
San Jose State University San Jose, California May 10 2011 3[66]
Pearl City Middle School Pearl City, Hawaii May 23 2011 1[67]
Cape Fear High School shooting Fayetteville, North Carolina October 24 2011 0[68]
2011 Virginia Tech shooting Blacksburg, Virginia December 8 2011 2 [69]
Walpole Elementary School Walpole, New Hampshire February 10 2012 1 (injury) [70]
Chardon High School shooting Chardon, Ohio February 27 2012 3[citation needed]
Oikos University shooting Oakland, California April 2 2012 7[citation needed]
Perry Hall High School Perry Hall, Maryland August 27 2012 1 (injury)[citation needed]
Normal Community High School Normal, Illinois September 7 2012 0[citation needed]
Stillwater Junior High School Stillwater, Oklahoma September 26 2012 1 (suicide)[citation needed]
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting Newtown, Connecticut December 14 2012 28
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Pepper, I have spent loads of time in America so know exactly what I'm talking about. I have also spent a great deal of time in loads of other countries, none of which have such strange and antiquated gun laws and beliefs as the USA. Of those nuts that claim a right to have a gun, I never yet met one I would trust to shoot one effectively even if it was justified. Other countries manage perfectly well without such nonsensical beliefs that their lives would be in peril if they did not bear arms. I guess those supporting bearing arms have no idea how stupid they are seen by so many of those from other countries.

Many of us in the UK think your gun laws are nuts along with many of the people that carry them. For what it's worth, while such nutty laws exist, rather than access to bullet proof vests being restricted, I think all Americans ought to be obliged by law to wear them at all times when they are not at home. Your problem in the area of these sort of shooting incidents is becoming too sick to contemplate and you do absolutely nothing about it. Your Constitution on this point stinks.