nakkh wrote:
It irritates me to no end that Obama didn't pursue Iraq war crimes and it really
pisses me off that he didn't put half the bankers in the US behind bars.
What you say is true. But we'll never know.
At least you admit it. A lot of people on here won't.
SharpShooter wrote:
You could start polling companies?
You're rationalization doesn't mean jack squat and that suggestion merely points toward f**e news.
These ARE 16 pretty influential "household word", companies.
I'd like to see you substantiate in ANY way that there are 6000 retired generals in this country?
SS
According to Architect 1776, I may have overestimated by about 20%. There are only around 4,700 retired Generals and Admirals.
As far as businesses are concerned, those i***ts that supported the Paris Accord are still in the overwhelming minority. According to Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are 27 million small businesses, and 18,500 firms with over 500 employees. Impressed with influential big businesses that are "household word" companies, are you? What do you think of Wal-Mart, Haliburton and The Trump Organization?
http://www.google.com/#q=how+many+businesses+in+the+u.s.
hondo812 wrote:
22 million sounds like a whole lotta fundraising spam. Quick! Launch an investigation! It was either that or Bush was texting back and forth with Putin one character at a time.....
That is funny! Though Bush himself, never used the RNC Server.
nakkh wrote:
I may have mis-spoken about gitmo. The tapes were made however and destroyed.
Are you getting at that, because it wasn't at gitmo but instead at 'black sites' overseas
it's not bad and that deleting the tapes to avoid criminal war crimes is OK?
Yes, deleting anything to avoid criminal war crimes would be bad. We don't know that's why they deleted them. It could be that their usefullness was over and they thought it was inappropriate to have this kind of footage around. Obama sure didn't think enough about it to investigate any war crimes.
tusketwedge wrote:
And which generals were right?
The ones who didn't criticize Bush.
nakkh wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_tapes_destruction
Gitmo was never mentioned once in your article.
nakkh wrote:
They also destroyed the gitmo torture tapes.
You just make stuff up, don't you?
LOL!
Hey, I thought all the lefties distrusted big business! Anyways, this is 16 companies (including the Dallas Mavericks!?!). How many tens of thousands of companies are there in the U.S.? And how many of them couldn't care less about pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord? This reminds me of the time when a couple dozen retired Generals put out some sort of statement criticizing George Bush over the Iraq War. It sounded pretty considerable until I found out that there were 6,000 retired Generals in the U.S.
Frosty wrote:
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This doesn't quite compute to me. You said "
The 22 million E-mails that were supposedly "lost" were from the RNC server and were not subject to Federal Guidelines concerning the archiving of Government Communications. They also did not contain Classified Information."
My understanding of the events was that 22 million emails were deleted to avoid revealing them to investigators. If they deleted the emails, how do they know there was no classified information in them?
The following is a repeat from my first post:
"........But now they at least have the sk**ls and interest to focus on a much larger and deeper email conspiracy, one involving war, lies, a private server run by the Republican Party and contempt of Congress citations—all of it still unsolved and unpunished.
Clinton’s email habits look positively t***sparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."
Also this: ".......Two years later, it was revealed that potentially 22 million emails were deleted, which was considered by some to be a violation of the P**********l Records Act."
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From my understanding so far, there is no indication that any of the 22 million E-mails contained Classified Information, and none have been exposed. The RNC Server itself was not subject to the law required to archive all government correspondence because it was not supposed to be used for official government correspondence. The point of contention is that many of the users, including Karl Rove, might have illegally used it for some of their governmental correspondence. I've read two conflicting accounts of how the E-mails were lost.
One says that the RNC simply had a policy of erasing e-mails after 30 days the way Google and other servers do, and that many individuals also deleted e-mails the same way ordinary people do when cleaning out their in-box. The other report says that the 22 million E-mails were simply in a mis-labeled file that was not discovered until 2009. Wh**ever the case, in the end they recovered nearly the whole lot.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/14/white.house.emails/I haven't found anything yet that says they actually found Classified Information on those E-mails, only speculation that there might be. In fairness, none of them have been open to the public because they have been under Federal review for the last seven years, but if any shenanigans were found, I think the Obama Administration would have exposed it long ago. Karl Rove was cited for Contempt of Congress by the Senate Judiciary Committee on another matter for refusing to testify and turn over his e-mails that were on the RNC Server.
Frosty wrote:
Here is an excerpt from PBS. It starts with Hillary and proceeds to Bush. I just copied the Bush portion.
http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emailsIn 2007, when Congress asked the Bush administration for emails surrounding the firing of eights U.S. attorneys, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales revealed that many of the emails requested could not be produced because they were sent on a non-government email server. The officials had used the private domain gwb43.com, a server run by the Republican National Committee. Two years later, it was revealed that potentially 22 million emails were deleted, which was considered by some to be a violation of the P**********l Records Act.
Here is an excerpt from PBS. It starts with Hillar... (
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The more I look into this, the more I understand why the Press did not report on it very much, though in today's atmosphere they would have been demanding resignations from the entire administration.
About 85 officials in the Bush White House, some as high up as Karl Rove, used the RNC server for non-work related messages. Because of the Hatch Act forbidding U.S. Government officials from using government equipment for their own personal business, for instance fundraising, all Administrations have separate phone lines and E-mail accounts for doing Government business and private (mostly fundraising) business. The RNC offered to give the Bush Administration the use of its server for fundraising activities.
The 22 million E-mails that were supposedly "lost" were from the RNC server and were not subject to Federal Guidelines concerning the archiving of Government Communications. They also did not contain Classified Information. They were later found under a mis-labelled file.
In Hillary's case, she did not use different servers for Governmental and Private use, she used
one server for both, and it was not Government-approved. And when this was revealed, she purposely tried to delete all the E-mails and physically destroy devices that might contain records of them, direct violations of the law.