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Feb 15, 2024 09:58:35   #
DanF wrote:
I find I’m doing more and more in black and white. Agree that shooting with bw in mind is best and set your camera to show bw. Another thing to try is google pro bw photographers and study their photos. It will be a revelation and generate ideas when you are in the field. Bw photography is a different field, with different rules and can be quite liberating. It’s all about contrast. Want to make the sky black to make your subject pop? Go for it. You are no longer trying to represent what’s real (very little is really bw), you’re just creating an image.
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Thanks, DanF, since I like my color photos to be generally realistic, perhaps I will find B&W liberating as you suggest.
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Feb 12, 2024 22:13:37   #
BassmanBruce wrote:
At a workshop numerous years ago the leader/presenter said regarding learning “always go to far, that way you’ll know you’ve gone far enough” (my words not his and he was discussing exsposure).
I’ve always really liked that concept.


I agree - in processing, I often push the slider past the point of too much, in order to help me choose that Goldilocks
point where I think its just right. but in color at least, my "just right" tends to be fairly conservative. I usually (not always) prefer my color photos to look natural/believable. Possibly this contributes to my B&W photos sometimes looking dull.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:18:28   #
AzPicLady wrote:
B&W requires contrast whereas colour images can depend on colour alone to be striking. But I frequently look at my images in B&W to see how much contrast there is, because even a colour image is better with contrast!


Thanks Az, contrast has come up in several responses, definitely something I want to work on.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:14:09   #
R.G. wrote:
The most ubiquitous reason for choosing B&W is to remove colour as a distraction. Typical reasons for doing that are when you want to emphasise shape or structure or pattern or texture. Other possible reasons are that you may want to emphasise a story that the photo is telling or some action that the photo has captured. Or perhaps there is an atmosphere or mood that the photo is hopefully going to evoke and colour would be a potential distraction. Typically B&W can be used to emphasise or create from scratch an atmosphere of drama or mystery or threat. Colour can be comforting, and removing it is removing that potential source of comfort - which may or may not suit your purposes. B&W can also be used to evoke nostalgia or to create a vintage look, especially if it's accompanied by an appropriate tint (sepia is a common example).

As others have noted, B&W almost always benefits from generous amounts of contrast - more than you would give a colour version of the shot. If it was specifically the lighting of a scene that caught your eye, B&W can be an effective way to draw attention to that aspect of the scene.
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Thanks R G. Lack of contrast may be one of the main reasons I'm disappointed in many B&W photos I see.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:09:53   #
b top gun wrote:
I like B & W because I feel the viewer can get distracted by colors and not get the full impact of the image. I have set a couple of my Nikons to shoot B & W in the past; I can check the image after because it will be displayed in B & W on the rear LCD display. That being noted, a Nikon Z8, set for B & W, when you look thru the viewfinder you are already looking at a B & W image.

When I get back from a photo shoot or a Nikon holiday, I will take my favorite images from those trips and decolorize them, it is interesting to see the results and get a new perspective on the images. Sometimes Fall color images produce really cool images when they are decolorized, they can resemble IR shots to a degree.

I found for myself that shooting B & W on certain cloudy days can add "mood" to the images. Also why I prefer some clouds in the sky when shooting seascapes and landscapes. I used to not bother going out with a Nikon on overcast days; no more, at least when there is good contrast produced by the clouds, that contrast is important.

B & W can grab ya when done right. One of my favorite quotes about photography goes..."Don't shoot what you see; shoot what you feel!" YES!!! I got a good shot of the Alaska Range and Denali specifically this September past; the color image is very good but the B & W talks to me more, and has better contrast. I have the B & W hanging on a wall at home.

Some flower images look great when decolorized; take a red rose and decolorize it, sometimes the rose will appear to be a smooth grey velvet.

A good B & W has good contrast and good shadows, and its composition is more obvious, to me.

Another trick I have made use of, take a photo I have had for quite a while and flip it around, now you have a whole new image. This does not work obviously if you have text or signage in the shot.
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Thanks for your thoughts - I'll keep them in mind as I experiment, and I'll definitely try the red rose when we get some this spring.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:06:16   #
SWFeral wrote:
I agree with Linda's suggestions. I do a fair amount of B/W photography but I never try to salvage a crummy color photo that way. Rather, I head out with B/W in my mind as what I will shoot that day. Certain weather conditions naturally lend themselves better to B/W shooting, like a bright overcast day or natural objects (rocks, branches) made a bit shinier by rain. But a strong composition is really important without color, as are all the usual suspects--shape, line, texture, contrast (unless you intentionally leave that out for effect), and movement through the image. I'm not technically well-versed so I'm winging it here. My processing of a B/W photo is more extreme than the same one in color, and I do a lot of playing with the color sliders--you'd be surprised at how that can change things. You can definitely train yourself to see a scene without color, and it's good practice.
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Thanks, SWFeral. I tend to be fairly conservative with processing, but based on your and Linda's response I'll experiment with being more "extreme" processing of the B&Ws. I intentionally took a photo of a colorful shop window, including a Pride flag, to have something with lots of colors to play with in B&W - I was fascinated by how the greys changed when I changed the colors.
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Feb 11, 2024 19:40:09   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
The topic title is not the question to ask. If you are shooting for a black and white result, then you should be removing color from the equation mentally before you select your subject. Don't fall into the trap of comparing.

Instead, start looking for textures, tones, contrast, light and shadow, shapes. Sometimes you want to remove the distraction of color - such as in much of street photography.

If black and white "often seems depressing," you're looking at poorly conceived or executed photos: subject matter or processing.

You've already discovered how similar tones in color become blah in b&w. You've dabbled with color filters in pp, so you've seen how those affect the result. Study "tonal range" further.

If you're shooting in raw, does your camera have a setting that will display the image in black and white (in-camera only)? That can help you learn to see. Sometimes squinting reduces color saturation - that was a tip I learned with b&w film

Analyze the photos that you admire (look beyond UHH). What is it that attracted you?

I don't know of any specific books offhand, but there are tons of YouTube videos and websites with tips.
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Thanks, Linda, your response is always constructive and is appreciated. Yes, I shoot in raw, and I've set my camera to display in B&W .
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Feb 11, 2024 18:49:18   #
RiJoRi wrote:
In my adventures with black and white film, I found that where color is important (e.g. flowers), B+W just doesn't work.

These days, I have a tool to help me: an app on my Android called "Hypocam". It includes B+W filters (RGBYO) and various effects.
Also, photzy•com has some free 😁 downloads (pdf), including:

"Black and White Short Guide",
"Color vs. Black And White", and
"How to Use Black and White Photography to Enhance Mood".

--Rich
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Thank You!
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Feb 11, 2024 15:48:27   #
Full disclosure, I love color. When someone posts both B&W and color versions and askes "which do you prefer?" I usually pick the color version. B&W often seems flat or even depressing, though I've seen some lovely shots in this section. When I convert a photo to B&W, it's usually because the colors are unattractive or distracting. I'd like to learn use B&W because it makes a photo I really like, rather than to correct a fault in the color version. During the winter doldrums, I sometimes set myself a project, and this year it's to learn more about what might make a good B&W. I've been taking shots that I think might look good in B&W, some I like, some not so much. I thought I'd ask you what makes you choose B&W? Are there specific subjects/lighting/other qualities that lend themselves to B&W? Others that you know right off will not be good in B&W? Do you look for colors that will convert attractively to shades of grey? Can you mentally "tune out" the colors and see shots that would look good in B&W? I took a photo of my red Pointsettia; SOOC the green and red leaves were almost the same color, boring...adding a red digital filter made the flower look almost white, adding a blue filter darkened it to where it looked to me like a B&W of a red flower. Is there a book you think I might find useful? Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
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Jan 2, 2024 20:31:24   #
keeth wrote:
Thanks, Did you race there? It would be awesome if you had some pictures to share. They are refurbishing the old wooden bleachers. Hopefully this they`ll be done.


I did not race there, but a couple of friends did. No pictures, just memories...
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Jan 2, 2024 11:00:42   #
wow!
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Jan 2, 2024 10:58:45   #
Good job! I've been there, but a looong time ago, in another life.... good memories, though.
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Jan 2, 2024 10:54:41   #
I might be more inclined to go out on NYE if I was invited to a party with so many interesting guests!
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Jan 1, 2024 08:48:38   #
Your wife was right! I owe my Hubby for pointing out some good photo ops I'd have otherwise missed, and he's even pulled the car over or turned it around so I could see what he saw.
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Jan 1, 2024 08:28:46   #
I love good fog shots!
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