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Oct 2, 2012 16:44:00   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Some of you folks have absolutely fallen off the deep end. You have let your hatred for one man completely drive you away from any common sense. You have closed your eyes to reality, to what will happen to all of us if by accident or some other strange quirk of fate Romney and the repubs were to go into office. Your only saving grace would be the 5 or 10 million you would have stashed away, and I don't think you fall into that category. You spend entirely to much time watching those dunderheads on Fox news. Before you reply to this with your verbal outrage wait till Friday after the debates are over and we shall see the truth.

You keep talking about communisim and a communist state. You are free to pack your bags and move anywhere on this earth that you choose to. In reality you would probably be doing all of us a favor if you did as you see only the negative in our government or our President. Yes I support our current President, I support his goals and his policies. You will find fault with this I know but it is my right and my priviledge. I earned this right probably way before you were even imagined let alone born and NO hot headed hate spewing hair ball dare try .
to prevent it.
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So you are telling us to leave because we don't agree with the most divisive president that we have had at least in my lifetime and I am sure that you would have to go back much further than that to find a president that has sliced and diced our country into constituent groups and then went after them with all kinds of promises of government benefit while calling his political opponents their enemies...

This president and his supporters are perfectly content to steal from future generations rather than to take the necessary steps to meet the challenges of today... He said as much himself of GW... but when he got his hands on the federal checkbook he doubled down on the insanity...

No one is going anywhere and guess what.... the country better for it as there is a need for the voice of reason and if we left all you would be the insanity of progressivism.
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Read below Blurryeyed, and tell us who is in charge of the house the last two years.

s ince 1940 the Democrats have held the White house for 36 years, the Republicans for 36. In that same time, the debt ceiling has been raised 79 times from $45 billion to $16.4 trillion, 43 times under

Republican presidents and 36 times under Democrat presidents. However, are sitting presidents really deficit spending? Though increasing national debt is usually attributed to the sitting President, it is actually Congress that holds the Constitutional purse strings. The President and the Treasury Secretary may request a debt ceiling increase, but it is Congress that ultimately passes the legislation to do so and has the power to veto any increase the President signs into law
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One day I will spend some time studying this as it has interested me but I never got around to taking the time to look it all up... I am well aware that until this last president that the debt had actually increased under republican administrations than it has under democratic administrations but I have not taken the time to study the congressional make up and the corresponding deficits.. you make a point Lancer but that is not quite the case with this president, in 2009 it was actually Obama that signed the budget for that year and not Bush as would normally have been the case. That budget included hundreds of billions in Stimulus and TARP spending that with the blessing of the Democratic congress became part of the baseline budgets... This is how in the face of record deficits this president is making the claim that he has actually increased spending during his presidency less than any other president... He does not want to acknowledge that 2009 was actually his budget and not Bush's and then he wants to compare his spending to the grossly inflated 2009 budget.

Harry Reid in the senate has blocked any attempt at budgeting since president Obama's election, you can't blame this on the congress unless you care to blame it on Harry Reid and Pelosi, as Reid will not consider anything other than the baseline established under the democratically controlled congress of Pelosi and his own Senate.
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You can't keep leaving republicans out of your blame . They are in congress, and the senate. Where does Boemer fit in this. He shuts down everything also . It's just not R & P . Ckeck out site below for info.
Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

www.federalbudget.com/ - Similarto Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

Here is a direct link to the Congressional Budget Office web site's deficit analysis. ... One new tax proposal we are hearing about is Value Added Tax (VAT)
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Lancer, Your link did not work I think that it got cut off and is not the URL but I did go to the homepage of that site and it looks as if you could spend days exploring the links on their splash page... I did bookmark it..

You did not provide the link from the CBO but I will take a look as I am a little familiar with the site and can probably find the article that you are speaking of.
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Okay, sorry, went back and came across this . Just proves my point that both parties don't give a crap. Only interested in election, not fixing the issue. You know you can't have it all one way , both sides refuse to budge. We eat it. They are fine , high salaries, pensions , healthcare , vacations etc.etc.etc.



WASHINGTON – Republicans pushed an election-year, $3.5 trillion budget through the House on Thursday that relies on biting spending cuts and a revamping of Medicare to curb massive federal deficits, drawing a sharp contrast with how President Obama and Democrats would tackle the nation's fiscal problems.

House passage came on a near party-line, 228-191 vote. With its doom guaranteed in the Democratic-run Senate, the House measure was essentially a political stage on which Republicans showed voters how they would run Washington if they win control in the November elections -- and Democrats fired back by doing the same.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/29/house-poised-to-vote-on-gop-budget/#ixzz28Azd1Nym
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Oct 2, 2012 16:31:23   #
I suggest take a par, and playing around him
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Oct 2, 2012 16:29:48   #
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Oct 2, 2012 16:27:40   #
I like your shots, I agree with natural, although I have enhanced a lot of mine.
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Oct 2, 2012 16:23:50   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
jkaye65 wrote:
republican wrote:
Ca. Just received half a BILLION dollars from Obummer to help finance another boondoggle rapid transit no one will use


This is a stupid project that probably less than 2% of Californians support and want.


Same thing happened here in Florida but the Governor had the good sense to refuse the project, the left here in the state went nuts saying that he refused it simply because it was money coming from the Obama administration.... The fact is that he refused it because it made no sense and he could forecast that ridership would be low and that the state would have to fund future operational shortfalls... The governor made the right decision but at a political cost...
quote=jkaye65 quote=republican Ca. Just received... (show quote)


Where did this nonsense start ? Who was president ?

U.S. federal and state governments continued to revisit the idea of fast trains as time went by. The Passenger Railroad Rebuilding Act of 1980 led to funding of high-speed corridor studies in 1984. Private-sector consortia intending to build high-speed lines were created in Florida, Ohio, Texas, California, and Nevada. Maglev trains became a new field of interest. They were officially added to the definition of "railroad" in 1988, and were studied repeatedly. Five high-speed corridors were officially endorsed in October 1992 following passage of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991.[20] TEA-21 and other legislation continued to be passed with mentions of high-speed rail, but lacking funding or real direction.[21]
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Oct 2, 2012 16:05:52   #
Bmac wrote:
GeneB wrote:
Both voting parties made bad choices once again. I do not know yet who I will vote against (not for) this year because I have trouble deciding who will do the least damage to the country.


So then vote for someone else via write in, or vote for one of the others who will be running. I do believe Roseanne Barr is a candidate for president. 8-)


LOL
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Oct 2, 2012 16:04:08   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Some of you folks have absolutely fallen off the deep end. You have let your hatred for one man completely drive you away from any common sense. You have closed your eyes to reality, to what will happen to all of us if by accident or some other strange quirk of fate Romney and the repubs were to go into office. Your only saving grace would be the 5 or 10 million you would have stashed away, and I don't think you fall into that category. You spend entirely to much time watching those dunderheads on Fox news. Before you reply to this with your verbal outrage wait till Friday after the debates are over and we shall see the truth.

You keep talking about communisim and a communist state. You are free to pack your bags and move anywhere on this earth that you choose to. In reality you would probably be doing all of us a favor if you did as you see only the negative in our government or our President. Yes I support our current President, I support his goals and his policies. You will find fault with this I know but it is my right and my priviledge. I earned this right probably way before you were even imagined let alone born and NO hot headed hate spewing hair ball dare try .
to prevent it.
br br Some of you folks have absolutely fallen o... (show quote)



So you are telling us to leave because we don't agree with the most divisive president that we have had at least in my lifetime and I am sure that you would have to go back much further than that to find a president that has sliced and diced our country into constituent groups and then went after them with all kinds of promises of government benefit while calling his political opponents their enemies...

This president and his supporters are perfectly content to steal from future generations rather than to take the necessary steps to meet the challenges of today... He said as much himself of GW... but when he got his hands on the federal checkbook he doubled down on the insanity...

No one is going anywhere and guess what.... the country better for it as there is a need for the voice of reason and if we left all you would be the insanity of progressivism.
quote=UP-2-IT br br Some of you folks have abso... (show quote)


Read below Blurryeyed, and tell us who is in charge of the house the last two years.

s ince 1940 the Democrats have held the White house for 36 years, the Republicans for 36. In that same time, the debt ceiling has been raised 79 times from $45 billion to $16.4 trillion, 43 times under

Republican presidents and 36 times under Democrat presidents. However, are sitting presidents really deficit spending? Though increasing national debt is usually attributed to the sitting President, it is actually Congress that holds the Constitutional purse strings. The President and the Treasury Secretary may request a debt ceiling increase, but it is Congress that ultimately passes the legislation to do so and has the power to veto any increase the President signs into law
quote=Blurryeyed quote=UP-2-IT br br Some of y... (show quote)


One day I will spend some time studying this as it has interested me but I never got around to taking the time to look it all up... I am well aware that until this last president that the debt had actually increased under republican administrations than it has under democratic administrations but I have not taken the time to study the congressional make up and the corresponding deficits.. you make a point Lancer but that is not quite the case with this president, in 2009 it was actually Obama that signed the budget for that year and not Bush as would normally have been the case. That budget included hundreds of billions in Stimulus and TARP spending that with the blessing of the Democratic congress became part of the baseline budgets... This is how in the face of record deficits this president is making the claim that he has actually increased spending during his presidency less than any other president... He does not want to acknowledge that 2009 was actually his budget and not Bush's and then he wants to compare his spending to the grossly inflated 2009 budget.

Harry Reid in the senate has blocked any attempt at budgeting since president Obama's election, you can't blame this on the congress unless you care to blame it on Harry Reid and Pelosi, as Reid will not consider anything other than the baseline established under the democratically controlled congress of Pelosi and his own Senate.
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=U... (show quote)

You can't keep leaving republicans out of your blame . They are in congress, and the senate. Where does Boemer fit in this. He shuts down everything also . It's just not R & P . Ckeck out site below for info.
Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

www.federalbudget.com/ - Similarto Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

Here is a direct link to the Congressional Budget Office web site's deficit analysis. ... One new tax proposal we are hearing about is Value Added Tax (VAT)
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Oct 2, 2012 15:44:05   #
Bmac wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:


How Robust Was the 2001-2007 Economic Expansion?
PDF of this report (6pp.)
By Aviva Aron-Dine, Richard Kogan and Chad Stone
Updated August 29, 2008
Related Areas of Research
Poverty and Income Trends Tax — Federal 2001/2003 Tax Cuts
Individuals and Families - Taxes and the Economy

...............Rather, examination of a broad range of key economic indicators indicates that the economic expansion that began in 2001 was, on balance,
weaker than average. In fact, with respect to GDP, consumption, investment, wage and salary, and employment growth, the 2001-2007 expansion was either the weakest or among the weakest since World War II.
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This is interesting from a historical point of view, basically arguing that the 2001 thru 2007 economic expansion was weak. Of course, this argument can be argued.

But, shouldn't we be more concerned about the economic stagnation during the current years? More concerned about an administration that promised to cut the deficit in half and instead added 6 trillion to it? 8-)
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I was just responding to jerseyman, with his list of BS. I wanted to show that he listed lies, half truths and innuendos. I don't have issues with anyone that wants to vote republican or democrat, for their own reasons, and what they don't agree with on either side. My issue is with people that talk out their other side, with no true knowledge , and lie to make their point.
Vote for who you want, it's your right, but don't spread lies , that is not honorable as a man, or woman. Your honorability is the only thing you will leave this earth with.
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Oct 2, 2012 15:33:57   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Some of you folks have absolutely fallen off the deep end. You have let your hatred for one man completely drive you away from any common sense. You have closed your eyes to reality, to what will happen to all of us if by accident or some other strange quirk of fate Romney and the repubs were to go into office. Your only saving grace would be the 5 or 10 million you would have stashed away, and I don't think you fall into that category. You spend entirely to much time watching those dunderheads on Fox news. Before you reply to this with your verbal outrage wait till Friday after the debates are over and we shall see the truth.

You keep talking about communisim and a communist state. You are free to pack your bags and move anywhere on this earth that you choose to. In reality you would probably be doing all of us a favor if you did as you see only the negative in our government or our President. Yes I support our current President, I support his goals and his policies. You will find fault with this I know but it is my right and my priviledge. I earned this right probably way before you were even imagined let alone born and NO hot headed hate spewing hair ball dare try .
to prevent it.
br br Some of you folks have absolutely fallen o... (show quote)



So you are telling us to leave because we don't agree with the most divisive president that we have had at least in my lifetime and I am sure that you would have to go back much further than that to find a president that has sliced and diced our country into constituent groups and then went after them with all kinds of promises of government benefit while calling his political opponents their enemies...

This president and his supporters are perfectly content to steal from future generations rather than to take the necessary steps to meet the challenges of today... He said as much himself of GW... but when he got his hands on the federal checkbook he doubled down on the insanity...

No one is going anywhere and guess what.... the country better for it as there is a need for the voice of reason and if we left all you would be the insanity of progressivism.
quote=UP-2-IT br br Some of you folks have abso... (show quote)


Read below Blurryeyed, and tell us who is in charge of the house the last two years.

s ince 1940 the Democrats have held the White house for 36 years, the Republicans for 36. In that same time, the debt ceiling has been raised 79 times from $45 billion to $16.4 trillion, 43 times under

Republican presidents and 36 times under Democrat presidents. However, are sitting presidents really deficit spending? Though increasing national debt is usually attributed to the sitting President, it is actually Congress that holds the Constitutional purse strings. The President and the Treasury Secretary may request a debt ceiling increase, but it is Congress that ultimately passes the legislation to do so and has the power to veto any increase the President signs into law
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Oct 1, 2012 15:45:18   #
Knife holder extraordinaire .
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Oct 1, 2012 15:42:50   #
You would think that by now, you couldn't find any knew bird and water shots. Not the case, good job.
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Oct 1, 2012 15:40:35   #
I really like taking those kind of pics also, I do them usually just for for myself . #1 was in my eyes , better than the rest, I liked the tree being involved, but it did seem a just a very little touch overdone.
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Oct 1, 2012 15:30:40   #
They should give pepto bismol away for free till this elections over
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Oct 1, 2012 15:25:22   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Just wondering Blurryeyed, do you prefer catsup or mustard?


Me? I prefer a president rather than a campaigner... I often wonder how different things might be if the president bought as much energy to his office as he does to the campaign trail... Just look at this last week, of course the "View" was of national importance.... The world is on fire and the president shows up on the view while refusing meetings with world leaders... Yes, and I know that he has started taking national security briefings again.... why did he ever stop? The written briefing is just an overview designed for reference, the face to face meetings with the analysts and cabinet members is where the true perspective and information comes from, but this president made a few speeches and bowed to a few world leaders and thought that because of this and his mere presence in office would bring stability and peace.... How much more information do you need before you realize that he is not really engaged in being president, but he does so much enjoy the status and celebrity that he has gained over the last 4 years.....

LOL you guys really do have your heads either in the sand or more probably up someones posterior.
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Blurryeyed, How do you know if he took secret meetings or not ? You can't answer that with any knowledge . Of course I agree campaigns have become ridiculous , Romneys been at it for what , two years ?. It should be limited to 2 months, both sides, and done.
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Oct 1, 2012 15:16:32   #
JerseyMan wrote:
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
Congress. At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB
GROWTH
Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking
Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001
because it was financially risky for the US economy.
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the
party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009
as well as 2010 &2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on
spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely,
passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack
Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus
spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very
Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed
the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last
of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and
the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in
Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who
voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell,
what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I
voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th
For those who are listening to the liberals propag... (show quote)


So much for your story:

How Robust Was the 2001-2007 Economic Expansion?

PDF of this report (6pp.)

By Aviva Aron-Dine, Richard Kogan and Chad Stone

Updated August 29, 2008
Related Areas of Research

Poverty and Income
Trends
Tax — Federal
2001/2003 Tax Cuts
Individuals and Families
Taxes and the Economy

Proponents of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts often argue that the economic and employment growth of the past several years establishes that these tax cuts “worked” and had strong beneficial effects. More recently, some have also argued that, with growth slowing, new tax cuts are needed and would reinvigorate the economy.

It now appears likely that the economic expansion that began in 2001 drew to a close in 2007. Whether or not it is ever formally declared a recession, the period since the third quarter of 2007 has seen sub-par growth (including a negative fourth quarter in 2007), shrinking payroll employment, and a rising unemployment rate, and so looks more like an economic slump than an economic expansion. Now is therefore a good time to take stock of the 2001-2007 economic expansion as a whole. We examine the expansion from 2001, when it began, through the third quarter of 2007, before the recent slow-down in economic growth.

The evidence on the 2001-2007 expansion provides no support for the claim that the tax cuts generated especially robust economic growth. Rather, examination of a broad range of key economic indicators indicates that the economic expansion that began in 2001 was, on balance, weaker than average. In fact, with respect to GDP, consumption, investment, wage and salary, and employment growth, the 2001-2007 expansion was either the weakest or among the weakest since World War II.

Moreover, the economy’s performance between 2001 and 2007 was weaker, overall, than its performance in the equivalent years of the 1990s, years following significant tax increases. GDP growth was somewhat weaker than in the 1990s, and job creation, investment, and wage and salary growth all were substantially weaker.
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