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Apr 29, 2024 22:22:49   #
terryMc wrote:
One was created and hand drawn onto some medium by a talented human, the other was never seen by a human eye until it was belched completed out of a computer program.

One was created line by line with purpose and intent, using materials, textures, colors, tones and an understanding of composition. The other was cobbled together by scraping the Internet for work by artists and then analyzing millions of images to mimic them.

Machine learning cannot create anything new, only approximate an execution of what has already been done.

Having an idea for an image and not being able to execute it but only tell someone or something else to do it, is the other side of that coin. If you can type a great description, you may want to call yourself an author, and then hire an illustrator.
One was created and hand drawn onto some medium by... (show quote)


"Machine learning cannot create anything new..."

Are you sure about that?....
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Apr 28, 2024 09:14:13   #
PhotoMono123 wrote:
Here's a photo of the Gateway Arch in St. Louis.

I find that most folks take the same arch picture, something that could be called a travel photo. I like to look for different angles or perspectives when I can. On this occasion I had great fun taking a whole series of shots from different angles.

There is no cropping, but there was some fun with the sky and pulling out the detail in the arch's surface.

I totally enjoy black & white photography, and have a monochrome website at www.photomono.us. I invite you to visit.
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Interesting angle; nice tonal range. Beautiful b&w rendition. Works as an image of the "Arch" and as an abstract.
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Apr 27, 2024 21:52:41   #
JohnSwanda wrote:
Back in the darkroom days, making photograms was more common and every time someone tried to define a photograph as the product of a camera someone would bring up photograms.


This topic is about how UHH should handle images partially or fully created by AI. In the context of that discussion it suffices to say that a photograph is an image created by a camera.

(How many photograms have been posted on UHH?)
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Apr 27, 2024 15:12:34   #
brentrh wrote:
Back in the days of film photography was manipulated today there is a fear of AI. Restrictions of AI is wrong. Some photographers take it to the extreme but photographers have a right to process their photography the way they choose. The sky is not falling so stop restricting modern photography if you don’t like AI don’t use it.


Most people are not trying to "restrict" photography. We're just trying to put things in their properly labeled pigeon holes.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:51:45   #
JohnSwanda wrote:
A camera is not necessary to create a photograph. Photograms have always been considered photographs as they fit the classic definition of an image created by the activity of light on a light sensitive material.


I knew someone would bring up the grey areas at the fringes. How many photograms have you seen on UHH?
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Apr 27, 2024 08:28:55   #
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Apr 27, 2024 08:18:12   #
R.G. wrote:
The only time that will get complicated is if we try to be too idealistic about it. Going down that road would involve us excluding anything that didn't fit into a universally agreed upon idealised notion of what a real photograph is. We should be looking to do as little excluding as possible. Put another way, we should be leaning towards being as accommodating as possible, without going so far that the concept of photography becomes meaningless.

It's probably easier and simpler if we start by defining what a photograph is not, which in this case would specifically be images generated from scratch by AI software or computer graphics software. That would mean using the medium of origin as one of the defining factors (but not the only one). In the spirit of keeping things simple, where photographs are concerned we could define the medium of origin as "photographic equipment", which, from a photographer's point of view means cameras, including cameras built into non-camera devices such as phones.

The definition of "photograph" could then realistically include composites (which may or may not include AI generated elements). Photography has a long history of including composites of various types.

Just because a photo has been given some post processing, that needn't mean that we have to stop referring to it as a photo. All photos (digital and analog) have to be given some kind of processing, whether it's in camera or in a computer or a dark room, so the idea that any post processing is a no-no is not realistic.

We would still have to allow for the possibility of photographs being extensively modified. It should be up to the individual to decide whether they felt the need
for disclosure in such matters. The alternative would be to exclude extensively modified photos and then we are left with the problem of where to draw the line.
Those who felt the need for disclosure could refer to such images as "modified photos" which would cover all possibilities.

If someone had the intention of producing a creatively edited image from a photo, the chances are they wouldn't want to refer to it as a photo anyway, so getting precious about such definitions would seem to be futile and trivial.

What's the definition of a photograph? To answer that there are two possibilities - we can be idealistic or we can be realistic. Perhaps to be clear we should specify that we're looking for a working definition. In that context, being realistic would seem to be the better choice. That involves being flexible and accommodating and making sensible assessments. Some people aren't very good at any of those things and they prefer the rigid exclusiveness of idealism. The down side is that being rigid and exclusive is the option that's least likely to produce a working, real world definition.

The possibility of deception will be with us no matter what definitions we choose. For those who feel the need for disclosure there's no problem because there's nothing stopping them. For those who have the intention to deceive, they don't care what the agreed definitions are.
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Good thoughts and words, R.G. For me, the simplest approach to keeping this a "photography forum", is for Admin to require that all images posted in any of the photography sections of the Forum must have a photograph as a starting point.

What's a photograph? Any image taken with a camera. We all know what a camera is.....? 🤔
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Apr 26, 2024 22:04:23   #
frankraney wrote:
How do you post a painting? Only by photographing the painting, then uploading the image.


Of course....
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Apr 26, 2024 09:45:28   #
NJFrank wrote:
If you close down digital artistry you will lose people in UHH. Some of us enjoy creating composites. Whether using some AI or completely AI. You can’t make everyone happy 100% of the time.
No one is putting a gun to your head telling the person you have to post there. If one does not like entries to the section , simply don’t subscribe.


I don't have a problem with composites, but why should an image that was entirely created with tools that have nothing to do with photography be allowed (other than to support a photography discussion)?

I think any image posted in any UHH section shoulld at least have had a photograph as a starting point for the creation of the image.
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Apr 25, 2024 23:55:59   #
Curmudgeon wrote:
Why indead. Check out some of the posts in the Digital Images in the in the past couple of weeks


You're right; there are lots of computer aided drawings. They are cool and I admire the creator's talent but I don't understand why they're on UHH.
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Apr 25, 2024 22:11:56   #
Curmudgeon wrote:


Ugly Hedgehog has guidelines on how and where AI and AI/photograph hybrid images may be posted. I believe it is time to revisit these guidelines. With few exceptions most of us use AI to one degree or another in Post Processing. I believe it is time to allow AI generated images to be posted in any Forum as long they are identified as such.


I agree with you that the lines are getting blurred. But where do you stop? If you would allow a totally AI created image to be posted in any of the UHH sections, why not paintings?
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Apr 25, 2024 18:33:12   #
jjenk wrote:
I plan to spend two weeks in Maine in late July. Are there any "Must See" photographic stops that you recommend? Either well-known or along the back roads.

Thank you!


I forgot to mention a place I have fond memories of. Many years ago we spent a night on Isle au Haut in a lighthouse keeper's house converted to a B&B. No electricity, dinner by candlelight. The next day, carrying picnic food and directions provided by the innkeeper, we hiked along the shore.

Isle au Haute is an island accessible by ferry from Stonington (see attached map). About half of it is part of the Acadia National Park. Don't know what it's like today but I think the keeper's house may have been sold.

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Apr 25, 2024 16:34:49   #
jjenk wrote:
I plan to spend two weeks in Maine in late July. Are there any "Must See" photographic stops that you recommend? Either well-known or along the back roads.

Thank you!


I spent some time in the coastal Rockland-Rockport-Camden area and like it a lot. But expect crowds in the summer.

I found Lubec (the easternmost town of the contiguous United States) very appealing. Cross a bridge and you are in Canada where you can visit Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Campobello summer home.
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Apr 22, 2024 13:03:30   #
Isn't it time to stop comparing film and digital in terms of pros and cons, better or worse? Can't we just accept film as a way of creating photographic images that appeals to some? Do we agonize over the relative merits of violin and piano music?
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Apr 21, 2024 14:13:55   #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I agree that political comments are out of line here and I have no problem with you characterizing his remarks as "b***hing." The "children have the Constitutional Right to take guns to school to k**l their teacher and other pupils" and "elect a criminal con merchant as President" are comments attacking a particular political faction, not an attack on the country.


You gotta be kidding!

He said "a country where children have the Constitutional Right to take guns to school to k**l their teacher and other pupils!

First it's a falsehood, a lie. As far as Constitutional rights are concerned, the authors had a defined constituency in mind and I'm pretty sure it didn't include children. And the OP thinks we have a Constitutional right to k**l people!? How absurd....

Aside from spreading falsehoods, the OP. as a foreigner, shows very poor taste in attacking the U. S. on this forum no matter how dissatisfied he is with some of the membership.
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