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Apr 24, 2020 15:50:07   #
craigart14 wrote:
There were several video cameras in use during the briefing. One was focused on Dr. Birx as she sank further into despair at what she was hearing as the president droned on about alternative treatments for C****-**. He suggested using heat and light, introducing light into the body through the skin, and then said that disinfectants would k**l the v***s. As everyone knows, there are ways of k*****g v***ses outside of the body. Boiling water works quite well. Unfortunately, boiling water also k**ls human flesh very well. Trump then suggests disinfectants could be introduced into the body via injection. Watch Dr. Birx as this dangerous drivel drips from the mouth of the most powerful man on earth. This is a woman on the spot, trying very hard not to cry. Listen to the moron's words while watching her face. Weep for our country weep for our world. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/23/1939919/-WATCH-Dr-Birx-appears-utterly-horrified-as-Trump-babbles-about-injecting-disinfectants
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As dark and grainy as the video is, i don't see where you can say she is trying not to cry. You are simply chimping back what the website headline does. If you watched the actual full conference, you would have seen the president actually also asked her the question and her response was affirming that UV and disinfecting do k**l the v***s but it has not been used as a treatment.

The clip does not include the previous statement from the president which sets up the clip - you can tell because the first word you hear is "so..." . Please do some critical thinking on your own. do the research rather than just parroting back information from an extremely liberal website.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:24:15   #
craigart14 wrote:
The country would be better off with my dog in the White House instead of Trump. Aside from shredding the curtains, at least he would do no harm.


You think your dog could avoid getting impeached for peeing on the carpet or sniffing the crotches of heads-of-state ??? Not to mention humping their legs ...
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Apr 24, 2020 15:22:03   #
craigart14 wrote:
Oh, please. In his own words: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trumps-remarks-disinfectants-left-even-close-aides-shocked-n1192031


Do you not find it silly that you are supplying a 'news' website link to tell people what the president said ?

Really ????

Thanks for illustrating my point of how maybe its not the president that is not-too-bright ...
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Apr 24, 2020 15:10:32   #
StanMac wrote:
What I heard was a blithering i***t of a POTUS. He lacks the critical thinking sk**ls needed to understand what Bryan was saying plus his lack of rational reasoning caused him to come up with this narrative of getting UV light inside the body or using a disinfectant by injection to "clean" the v***s out of the body. That's what I heard.

Stan


I challenge you for the next week to ignore all media when it come to President Trump's statements and actually listen to his conferences realtime with no pre-bias . Treat it as he is talking to you in a conversation face to face and when he makes a comment to illustrate his statement and say 'like ...' look at it as an illustration to help you understand what he is saying. I bet if you look at the media presentation AFTER you did that your response would be 'thats not what he said !'. If you allow the media to tell you what you 'really' heard then you will never ever be able to think on your own.

Try it - I dare you. What do you have to lose but your prejudice ????? I don't think the president is as dumb as you seem to hold him. We must look from our own understanding though and not blindly quote what people with an agenda (the media) tell you.

Even my comments should be evaluated on facts you can check for yourself. Not doing that proves that WE are by far dumber than you think the president is !!!!!!!!!
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Apr 24, 2020 14:46:14   #
letmedance wrote:
That would depend on the intensity of the UV light.


yes and no - yes intensity will vary the effect but the point of UV is to disrupt the DNA's replication and functionality. Its what destroys the v***s. If the v***s is in a cell (which is how it replicates) destruction to the RNA of the v***s is likely to cause healthy cell DNA distruction as well. So yes the patient could be 'cured' but can can't get oxygen because their lung cells die without being able to replicate normally. So the good news is the patient has no C***D but they are also dead.

Again - if somebody would site the source of the original comment, we could see if what was actually claimed is being done in NY ... I can show you the site of the ongoing UV studies out of Mt Sinai which are not new ...
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Apr 24, 2020 14:27:46   #
Wuligal wrote:
Oops. Trump might not be as stupid as you think. Even as you rant researches at Mount Sinai hospital in New York are working on a technique to use a ventilator to get UV light into the lungs of c***d ** patients.


please site your source for this information.
The destruction of DNA processing will occur in healthy cells as well as v***s particles so probably not a factual source you are looking at

After further research, Mt Sinai has an on-going project to look at using UV light in a room to decrease the viable v***s particles in that room - not to expose internal lung tissue to UV. Please let me know if you have source for your information so I can be informed correctly if I am not finding full documentation - thanks
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Apr 24, 2020 14:17:37   #
rehess wrote:
“The media” does not have to present something in a particular way. I***ts k**led themselves taking that malaria medicine because of words out of his mouth that they interpreted themselves.


Last response for me - The physicians (practitioners and epidemiologists connected to my employer) are questioning how the deaths could have occurred since the drug is widely used when malaria is suspected.
There is documented cases where the drugs DID reverse the impact of the C***D v***s ansd facilitated recovery in patients. (I am trying to get the abstracts on those patients now) Unless the person took well over the normal dosage, they would not have expected to see any problems if the persons didn't already have other conditions which are contradindicated for use.

I question if a person took any non-prescribed drug, that they also did other things that could have k**led them. So it may not really the drug ingestion on its own that caused death. Overdose maybe or allergy to the drug, maybe ...

from the FDA who support what the president said and in fact cleared the drug for use in C***D patients says this:

From FDA site speaking of potential issues of the drug -

One example of that is heart rhythm problems, which the FDA warned today had been associated with chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Known side-effects of the drugs could lead to “serious and potentially life-threatening heart rhythm problems,” the agency said in a statement.

“Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are FDA-approved to treat or prevent malaria,” the agency said. “Hydroxychloroquine sulfate is also FDA-approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. These medicines have not been proven safe or effective for treating C****-**.”

Most recently, reports of heart-related illness and even death among those treated with the two medications in C****-** cases have been recorded in the official FDA A*****e E***t Reporting System database, among other places. In some incidents, the drugs have been taken on their own; in others, they were combined with other medications, like the antibiotic azithromycin.

“These a*****e e***ts included a******l heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation, dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation, and in some cases, death,” the FDA cautions. “Patients who also have other health issues such as heart and kidney disease are likely to be at increased risk of these heart problems when receiving these medicines.”
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Apr 24, 2020 14:02:56   #
Mr Quark wrote:
Leefl is just the kind of poster we don't need. He apparently rather post garbage then get the true story first.....


easily blocked by anyone who wishes to not see the posts from them
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Apr 24, 2020 13:57:08   #
Architect1776 wrote:
The v***s h**x is not that it is real.
The h**x is the lethality which daily now with real studies, being screamed at by the left so you know they are true and accurate, that bring the lethality figures to about .07% max. That is the h**x and always has been the h**x. But libs twist it and say stupid things like they are saying now that you should inject Lysol to cure the v***s. Now that is really stupid. Even Lyso has had to come on air and tell the world not to inject Lysol as the democrats and libs are telling people to do.
The v***s h**x is not that it is real. br The h**x... (show quote)


I understand your point of view and can't really disagree. But the one thing WE can do - on both sides - is when we hear something like the 'president said to inject bleach' is to look at the actual content instead of using what we hear in media. We need to look at the actual footage *in context* before using it to support our own jaded opinion.

Unfortunately, we do have a lot of folks who take what they hear in media as facts because that is the way media presents it. And I am sure that somebody will be k**led by injecting themselves with some sort of external disinfectant.
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Apr 24, 2020 13:48:10   #
DocDav wrote:
I don't need a medical degree ( I have one) to know WOO when I hear it. No one, not one single person in position to lead, should even have speculated out loud about putting disinfectant into the human body. We know what we heard, but we also know some one at the base is going to go out and mainline Clorox too. It's not F**e News to claim he proposed it. And, ditto for light. UV-c k**ls v***ses and bacterial. It can also blind you. Some supporters are going to run out, buy a UV source, and blind themselves. Bet?
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it was used as an analogy - NOT suggested or asking if it was viable to use bleach. Key word in the communication - "LIKE..."
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Apr 24, 2020 13:09:09   #
Architect1776 wrote:
This seems to be all deaths in this period.
In fact NY has gone back and declared all deaths of unknown source as well as the v***s in order to bolster the h**x.


The v***s is quite real - no 'h**x' . It is very communicable - that is also quite real. If people were not ego-centric, and would look at impacts of their action on others, we would not have to have a nanny-state tell people to stay home when they are sick. Additionally - the most unusual part of this v***s is that it has a potentially long incubation state where the v***s can be t***smitted even when no symptoms are apparent.

So to keep at-risk patients safe from the folks who don't care who are harmed, the oppressive governmental restrictions have a purpose. Not saying that every restriction is correct but that the government is functioning as it should to protect those who can be harmed through the carelessness of others. Personally I think it would be better if people just used common sense but there seems to be a shortage of that theses days.

I also wish that people would stop calling names just because they disagree. Not just on the part of politico's but everyone here on this forum (including me) has resorted to calling opposing views stupid or calling the person sharing them worse names rather than presenting factual evidence on why the commentor is not correct. Also what I see here with grouping people together and applying a derogotive name to them really shows the commentor's own shortcomings in being unable to understand and correct another's errant view .
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Apr 24, 2020 12:46:34   #
Bill 45 wrote:
What with all this anti-science and medicine that is on the land today? I want to keep this from going to the attic, so think before give your answer.


I think the problem is most people confuse statistics with 'science'. The statistics will change depending on what question you are answering. For example deaths with patients who test positive to C***D vs deaths CAUSED by C***D. Two completely different results.

Right now the media is pushing the numbers for deaths where C***D was detected to inflate the urgency and sell more media ...

I am aware of this from Allegheny County death reports - in one instance the person was in an auto accident but it is reported as C***D related even though the person died at the scene.

CMS (Medicare) guidelines also has stated that if a positive test for C***D is identified, it MUST be included in the list of diagnosis that the patient was admitted for and should be used as the cause of death if in doubt. Check the CMS website for more detail
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Apr 24, 2020 12:41:47   #
Bob Yankle wrote:
Yes?


I usually like the B&W but it could use more contrast or lower black level. Little more PP and I would say hands down number 1
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Apr 24, 2020 12:39:11   #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
OK. Could it be your hand in front of the lens? That happens to the best of us occasionally.

Mike


That was my conclusion - looks like fingers to me
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Apr 21, 2020 17:37:23   #
markwilliam1 wrote:
Of course the Wasabi doesn’t have the capacity of OEM batteries but with 2 you can easily swap out. My problem is the battery’s swelled! I had a hell of a time trying to remove it from my RX10M4! It was stuck inside the battery compartment and completely flush so no way to try and grab it...I had to resort to banging my camera to get it loose which Pissed me off! If it didn’t come a little loose I would’ve had to send it in for repairs which I understand is closed now and would Not be under warranty anyway. All this happened this week and the batteries were less than a year old! So Risk is Not Minimal in my opinion!
Of course the Wasabi doesn’t have the capacity of ... (show quote)


Your Wasabi batteries swelled ? Also, why didn't you buy the Wasabi's that DID match or exceed the mAh rating ? Not challenging you on it - just curious. Have you talked to Wasabi and replaced them or got money back ?
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