You forget that Germanies policy was to exterminate Jews. Hamas has tje same policy. How do you negotiate with someone who denies your rigjt to exist?

Thats a good place to shoot birds. I also like photographing inside Devils Punchbowl and the marine gardens north of their as well as inside Boiler Bay. Its a steep hike down and only accessible during low tides but has great tidepools.

Like your oystercatcher photo.

Did you not bother to look at the link I posted about the Palestinians ties to N**I Germany? It still applies because their primary motivstion is exterminating Jews. They do not even recognize the right of Israel to exist and you think we are on the wrong side?

I disagree, but lets say you are right that neither side is blameless. Then why are college students in the U.S. refusing to condemn Hamas and demanding that Israel stand down now? That makes no sense. If both sides are wrong they should both be condemned. Right now there are students on U.S. campuses shouting from the river to the sea which is the Palestinian chant for the death of Israel. That is just plain nuts, even accepting your initial premise.

I agree there is no simple solution but you keep saying Bebi is wrong but give no legitate solution and that is exactly what the rest of the world is doing. They are condemning Israel but giving them no valid alternative and they are also failing to condemn Hamas. Why? Hamas started it and could end it tomorrow by returning the hostages.

Just look at the current protests in the U.S. they are condemning Israel siding with Hamas and not condning Hamas. What else is Israel supposed to do?

Heck Biden is so feckless that he is not even doing anything to get the five U.S. hostages back and somehow Bebi is the bad guy. Its absurd.

What exctly has Israel done that is barbaric. You seen to not understand that Hamas hides in schools and hospitals. Tjey are causing tje civilian casualties not Israel. Tje only thing you have proposed tjat Israel do in response to the Hamas attack is to give up tje West Bank which has absolutely zero to do with this conflict. If people are going to condemn Israel then at least propose a legitimate course of action tjat they could tale tjat would be different. My response to Hamas wouls have been far more harsh tjan Biebis. For example I would never have traded prisoners for hostages. I would have offered to execute prisoners until tje hostages were returned then I would have taken hostages of my own. Meet force with greater force is tje only successful way to end conflocts that someone else starts.

So why is Israel being condemned when Hamas started it and still has hostages. Israel is on the right here.

By the way, are you even aware that the Palestinians were allies of N**i Germany and up until Yasser Arafat died they were still being led by N**i trained individuals? Here is something that everyone should know about the Palestinians, but for wh**ever reason it is not commonly taught.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/%E2%80%8Bthe-n**i-roots-of-palestinian-nationalism/

I don' t know the answer to that for sure. Probably not, but as kong as the terrorists still have hostages you can't just stop and let them get away with it. It would only encourage them to continue the attacks necause they would know tjey could get away with it.

Who exactly has dispossessed the Palestinians. Prior to Israel they did not belong to any country either and when Israel was formed they were offered a place in Jordan and they turned it down. You are looking at revisionist history, but even if you really want to believe that is the t***h it still won't get the Israeli hostages back or stop Hamas by appeasing them by withdrawing from the West Bank. Perhaps you need to look at a map. Hamas is not in the West Bank. The fact is that Hamas is terrorists and in order to have a secure nation Israel must get rid of terrorists. Why do you choose to ignore those facts?

I did not say that you supported the attack by Hamas. I asked what Israel should do. Your response is absolutely ludicrous.

How would surrendering the West Bank get the hostages back from Hamas, they aren't in the West Bank. You are seriously nuts. The only reason any women and children are dying is because of the actions their government took and the fact that Hamas hides in the middle of women and children so the only way to get to them is to have some civilian casualties.

Since when does giving something away stop terrorists. All they understand is force. That's like telling a thief that since they stole your microwave you are going to give them your range and stove too so that they will give you the microwave back. Besides, the only reason there are any Israeli settlements in the West Bank is because they attacked Israel in the past.

You will notice that even though the hostages were initially being held in the north they are no longer there. Hamas moved them along with the civilians. The blame for all of this falls on Hamas. But, the biggest thing that you don't seem to recognize is that more than 70 percent of the Palestinians v**ed for Hamas, and according to poles from inside Palestine more than 75 percent say that they still support Hamas and that they will not condemn the Hamas attack on Israel. That makes the "civilians" part of the problem. If they don't want to risk dying then they should quit supporting Hamas and tell Israel where the hostages are being held and the war would quickly end.

Also, why would you believe anything that the Palestinians are telling you about the number of deaths. They have already been proven to be liars when they claimed that Israel bombed the hospital that they hit with their own rocket. Appeasing terrorists has never worked, so if that's your plan Israel might as well cease to exist as a nation, because they can not survive if they make that kind of decision.

I didnt need your editorializing about Bush. I was askong what yoi think Israel should have done? You acknowledge tjat tje attack by Hamas was barbaric. If you were in charge would you allow a terrorist organization to continue to exist next door to you?

I know exactly where Wilsonville is. Used to regularly go to Fry's Electronics before the store closed. We live in Central Oregon. Which part of the Oregon Coast were you on?

Nice. Do you live in Oregon, and if so where?

I will have to check that out, thanks for letting me know.