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Jul 18, 2014 06:54:12   #
The printer is being delivered today between 2-4pm. To late to change my mind now...?
Apaflo wrote:
By far the better deal would be an Epson 3880.

Given your intent, and having looked at your profile and other posts to see where you are coming from, it appears the question isn't just "a photo printer", but rather "a serious photo printer". The R3000 is on the high end of the consumer models and the 3880 is the low end of the commercial models.

Two big detractions from the R3000 are the quality of build and the cost of operation (the price of a milliliter of ink).

It's been two or three years since I surveyed inks, but the last time I looked ink for an R3000 was the most expensive of any Epson printer, at $1.17/ml. Compare that to the 3880 at $0.74, the 4900 at $0.50, or the 7890 at $0.40.

Supposedly the average 8x10 will cost $1.87 in ink printed on an R3000. You'll save $0.69 with a 3880 on every print. Get a 7980 and you'll save $1.23 on every print. If you print more than about 200 prints per year the larger printer is actually less expensive.

And make no mistake, the 3880 is the low end of the commercial line from Epson. It cannot print roll paper. It has problems feeding some canvas sheets. It does not have vacuum assisted paper transport. The ink carts are only 80ml... The other commercial printers are bigger heavier, but the ink cost even less, they can use rolls for less expensive paper and easier work, and trust that vacuum assisted paper transport means papers always feed and never jam.

Hence if you plan serious photography for more than 2 or 3 years, start with the idea that the 3880 is the low end, and decide just how serious you are.
By far the better deal would be an Epson 3880. br ... (show quote)
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Jul 17, 2014 20:26:31   #
I emailed the professor and am waiting on a reply. We have to upload all our assignments in "Blackboard" so he will see the image info when he opens the photo in photoshop.
boberic wrote:
If he looks at a B&W image he won't care if it started out as color. All that counts is the final image. Whatever a photographer did to get the final image, to a large degree, he is the only one who has to know.There are some subjects, because of their starkness, just scream B&W. No way to explain it. It just happens
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Jul 17, 2014 18:55:06   #
Thanks for taking the time to work with me.
SonyA580 wrote:
Here it is. Click on the "download" line to get the best picture.
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Jul 17, 2014 13:12:17   #
Thanks for taking the time to assist/advise me. I appreciate it.
TexasBadger wrote:
You will be very happy with the R3000. Some people have suggested that you only want to use Epson paper and inks. While I agree that you should only use Epson inks, I strongly suggest that there are paper options out there that Epson simply does not have. For example Red River Paper has a paper called Polar Pearl Metallic that will blow your mind!

I would also suggest that when you print you select the option where Photoshop controls the printer. Load the proper ICC profiles and you will get stunning results.

Also, Red River Paper is a little less expensive than Epson, but it is by no means cheap. I agree that you should not use cheap paper.

Finally, I would suggest buying your ink for the R3000 online. I use Adorama for my ink. I estimate that I save ~$50/ink set by buying online.
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Jul 17, 2014 11:52:26   #
WOW! Impressive
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Jul 17, 2014 11:48:37   #
Good info. Did you mean you improved my picture? Can you post it so I can see what you did? Thanks
SonyA580 wrote:
1. I agree, shooting in color and converting to BW is the way to go. 2. The subject you picked is the hardest one to get right - part bright sun and part shade. Try to pick one or the other. 3. Expose for the highlights - you can lighten shadows easier than you can darken highlights, especially if they are totally blown out. 4. I adjusted the contrast using PhotoShop "levels" and was able to come up with a very decent picture.
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Jul 17, 2014 11:28:20   #
Thanks for taking the time to help me. Good article, food for thought!
Picdude wrote:
Just found this short article on B&W photography and seemed apropos to this thread:

http://digital-photography-school.com/black-and-white-digital-photography-in-camera-or-post-production/
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Jul 17, 2014 11:22:57   #
I have decided on the Epson Stylus Photo R3000 Inkjet Printer. B&H has it for $724 with $150 mail in rebate and free expedited shipping making the final cost $574. Again I thank everyone for their input.
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Jul 17, 2014 10:11:33   #
Thanks, I will do as you suggest.
rocar7 wrote:
One last recommendation: whatever printer you go for, use the same make paper and inks, ie Epson printer, Epson inks and Epson paper. Don't be tempted to use cheap inks or papers, the results are not as good
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Jul 17, 2014 09:53:09   #
Thank you - I'm taking notes and will consider all suggestions as I truly want to learn
Rongnongno wrote:
One suggestion that has not creep-ed up yet is the use of REAL colored filters in preparation for PP regardless of file format (JPG or raw).

A colorized filter alters the wave length of an object reflections attenuating some and enhancing others when you take the picture.

I think you will see an immediate opposition to the idea of using color filters in the next few posts. Folks believe that using filter in software is just as good, well it is not. A software filter merely colorize everything and subtract data when a filter adds it.

Just take in mind that you will shoot with PP in mind so forget the 'colors'.
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Jul 17, 2014 09:05:24   #
Great, I'm on it.
rpavich wrote:
Good!
you don't need people or even interesting subjects...just go look for light/dark relationship and start making images with that in mind.

Here is a great video series about "seeing like an artist" and covers things like this. It's by Adam Marelli (a genius of Photography in my book)

http://www.udemy.com/a-room-for-improvement/#/

It's worth the 20.00 for the course.
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Jul 17, 2014 08:51:39   #
That helps, I'll try again and see just how much I've learned. Thanks!
rpavich wrote:
Well...all of the tones in the image are similar right? You won't have a lot of contrast because of that.

You could goose the contrast slider in post if you need more contrast.

Notice that she's against a tone that is similar in value...everything in the shot except for her hair and the coping behind her is very similar...

Now you know what to do when shooting in black and white...you put "light against dark" or "dark against light" when deciding on subject and background...right?
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Jul 17, 2014 08:46:59   #
No, I didn't do anything except crop to size.
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Jul 17, 2014 08:31:09   #
I just didn't see the "pop" I guess you would call it, and I thought it looked looked washed out. I will definitely keep practicing as I want to learn the total skill set. Thank you for helping and your kind words
rpavich wrote:
What's wrong with that picture...?

It looks great.

Shooting B&W in camera (as opposed to converting later) will train your eye to recognize light tones and dark tones more easily and you'll be able to make better decisions about your subject. It's a different skill-set than shooting in color and you don't get to "get lucky" by shooting color and then just desaturating the shot to "see how it came out" after conversion.

This is just my opinion, nobody has to "correct me" on that.
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Jul 17, 2014 08:16:50   #
Thank you for the advise. For my photography course we are not to shoot in RAW... I totally agree with you on the photo lacking punch, as I feel this way about all my B/Ws. That's why I decided to ask
GWR100 wrote:
My advise,
1- shoot in RAW and Jpeg
2- set camera to Aperture priority and take a shot 1 or 1 1/2 stops either side of the camera setting,
3- Shoot in colour and convert in a good PP programme
3- Practice

The picture thou posted is not at all bad, for me it just Lac's a bit of punch which can be corrected with adjustment in levels or Contrast/brightness.

Have fun

Geoff


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