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Jan 16, 2017 13:29:48   #
Jules Karney wrote:
Thanks for the info Bugguy. Someone told me to shoot at iso at least 10,000 to stop the action. I use a 70-200 2.8 and 50mm 1.8. Now as I look back the iso was way to high, and I should have shot at 800 or so to stop the action. I think I am getting motion blur no matter what speed. I am older and it's hard to support the bigger lens. Maybe a monopod next time would help. These shots are iso 4000 and about 500-800 a sec.


From what I've read your camera can handle high iso very well. Nikons are known for this. I'm certainly no expert and your pics look good to me. Practice practice practice to see what works for you. What other primes do you have?
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Jan 16, 2017 12:41:43   #
Jules Karney wrote:
Nice shot. It looks like the lighting is very good at this gym. What settings, camera?


Thank you for the compliment. horrible lighting in this gym as with most high schools. I usually shoot close to 800 shutter speed, iso 2000, and in the 1.6 to 2.0 aperture range. Sony a99mi sony cz 85mm 1.4. Girls this time even worst lighting(#25 my daughter), which is why I started.


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Jan 16, 2017 12:06:56   #
Nice pics and I understand how hard it is to get them in this environment.


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Jan 14, 2017 19:10:24   #
"Thank You" to everyone that took the time to respond to this post today. I will admit to just wanting a quick direct answer, which I did receive straight away from oldtigger. Every post from him/her to GoofyNewfie was appreciated and thought provoking. Now because of this I will have to research and practice all the technics and suggestions. I want to also thank everyone for staying on topic.
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Jan 14, 2017 18:58:29   #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
You'd have to close the lens down to compensate for the slower shutter setting giving you more depth of field.
My example has us at ISO 100 which is rock bottom on some cameras.
You could use an ND filter on the lens to compensate too, but I like being able to SEE what I'm shooting through the viewfinder.

BTW, Bokeh is the quality of the blur, not shallow depth of field.
It's a Quality, not a quantity.
There is good and bad bokeh, not more or less.
More HERE.
The lenses I use have fairly pleasing bokeh so I really don't worry about it.
There are better lenses out there for that, but I'm not a full-time portrait photographer and can't justify the expense for one.
And there are more important things most people should think about (unless you have a real lemon of a lens) like lighting, pose, impending bad weather....

Back to flash... Your example using flash looks great for a flash newbie.
My biggest thing at the university where I work is shooting events.
When I use flash, I almost always bounce, but because of the way I use it, it doesn't look like flash.
I've bounced off of cement headers over doors, metal garage doors and 20' ceilings.
Neil van Niekerk has a lot of tutorials on bounce flash starting HERE.
Also has some helpful books on his site.
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"thank You" again! This ole dawg went to flash school today. Overwhelmed with the information shared on this post.
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Jan 14, 2017 14:12:10   #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Re: High Speed Sync (HSS)...
One thing it allows you to do is use flash outside with a wide aperture to help keep that background pleasantly out of focus with portraits.
Let's say you're shooting a portrait and your ambient exposure at iso 100 is 1/1000 @ f/4.
You need to add a flash for fill though.
With a normal sync setting of 1/250th, you'd have to use f/8, bringing that background to a distracting level.
HSS (or Auto FP in Nikon-speak) lets you keep the original f/4 exposure.
Yes, it takes more flash power because the flash pulses instead just of one pop, but...using a wider aperture requires less power anyway.
If you need more light, you can add another flash ( there are special brackets HERE and HERE that hold more than one) or move it closer if possible.
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"thanks" for the breakdown of your example. What if I were to just slow my shutter speed down though? Would that preserve my narrow depth of view (bokah)?
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Jan 14, 2017 13:37:19   #
Gene51 wrote:
The shortest shutter speed your camera will fire the flash at and still illuminate the entire scene. If your camera says it's 1/250 of a second, then you can't go shorter under normal circumstances see the end of this post for when that rule doesn't necessarily apply.

This is what happens. Your shutter has two moving parts that create the image - a front curtain and a rear curtain. When you use a shutter speed that is longer than 1/250, the first curtain opens then the second curtain closes. The cumulative time that the entire surface of the sensor is exposed to light is then 1/250 second or longer. When you use a shorter shutter speed, as the first curtain opens the second curtain is following it, creating a "slit" that moves across the image, with the end result being a shorter exposure. The slit gets narrower as the shutter speed gets shorter. Because it is a slit, and the duration of the flash at full power is probably around 1/900 second, going down to 1/4000 or less when you use a lower power mode on the flash - there is no point in time when the entire sensor is open to receive the light from the flash pop.

High Speed Sync is a mode that will let you shoot at shutter speeds shorter than 1/250 and still give you fully lit scenes. It does this by commanding the flash to do very fast multiple pops, so that there will be light at all points in time that the slit is moving. The downside of this is that your batteries get eaten up quickly, and your flash to subject distance is diminished.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/the-power-of-high-speed-sync/

A flash bracket is a good idea if it is not too obtrusive, but you are wasting time on a diffuser - most don't do much if your subject distance is greater than 3-5 ft. If you are using a Fong thing, then you'd better have a small room with low ceilings, otherwise it behaves like a point source of light, and you will have harsh shadows and contrasty light. Bouncing, whenever possible, will give you the best quality of light.
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"Thank you" Gene51. very informative. I'm going to look at the link you provided, which I do appreciate. Now I'm thinking slow speed sync vs high speed sync. Every reply to this post has been helpful/informative. I do appreciate all of them! Oh and regarding your tip on the diffuser, I've also been using the lite scoop.
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Jan 14, 2017 13:28:13   #
jim quist wrote:
This is a website that has a lot of good information on using a flash
http://strobist.blogspot.com


"thanks" jim quist. I'm going to take a look at it now.
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Jan 14, 2017 13:26:57   #
oldtigger wrote:
Now that you know the fastest shutter you can use, you can address "how much slower should i use"
How much subject isolation do you want?
What color light source balance is involved?
How much will the flash alter the mood.
Is the flash for illumination or freezing of motion?
How will the flash effect the appearance of the background?
Will the flash help you recover the true colors?
Are you using the flash to match the light coming in through a window?
Will your flash irritate the snot out of people trying to watch the show? etc...etc...
Have fun experimenting.
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oltigger I was feeling good and thought I, with yawl's help had this figured out. And then you post this

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Jan 14, 2017 12:00:36   #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
1/250th your normal maximum setting.
I rarely go that high inside, preferring to let some of the ambient light to help give the viewer a sence of the surrounding environment. At one dark event venue is shoot regularly, I'm as low as 1/15th sec. As long as the subjects are fairly still, the flash freezes the movement and it doesn't look like it was shot in a cave.


"thanks" GoofyNewfie. I just viewed some of the pics that were taken at the same time as the first pic. I used a shutter speed of 250. In the future I will experiment by setting the shutter speed faster/slower to see the difference of more/less ambient light.
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Jan 14, 2017 11:07:41   #
And which cameras? Not fair to compare a Chevrolet pickup truck to a Ford passenger car if your wanting to haul a load of firewood.
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Jan 14, 2017 10:54:48   #
gvarner wrote:
From what I just Googled, your camera's actual max shutter speed would be 1/250, even if you tried to set a higher speed. Older cameras would show black bars on the pic if a speed above the max sync was used.


"thanks" gvarner. I appreciate you taking the time to research that.
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Jan 14, 2017 10:51:26   #
oldtigger wrote:
1/250 or longer/slower, (1/150)


Wow! that simple? "thanks" for the quick reply oldtigger. I recognize your screen name from either posts or replies.
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Jan 14, 2017 10:28:28   #
Not a newbie, and definitely not an expert. Have mainly focused on sports photography up until now and getting more into events. Trying to incorporate flash shooting. I know the terms are universal regardless of the system but I'm using a Sony a99m1 and Sony HVL- F58AM flash gun. And yes I do use a flash bracket, diffuser and use bounce flash with necessary. What I'm having a problem with is understanding flash sync speed, which I believe is 250 with this setup. Does this mean I will need to set my shutter speed to 250 or stay higher or lower then that?
I've avoided flash up until this point but it is obvious that even with a full frame sensor at some point you lose too much detail/sharpness when you crank up the ISO.

Taken with flash


Taken without (handsome just like dad)

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Jan 8, 2017 11:15:17   #
I cast my vote for purchasing from the local camera store (maybe we can make them great again), pun intended. I do support my local camera store whenever I can. Full disclosure my first experience with them was not pleasant. I did feel talked down to and felt they thought I was going to handle the equipment, ask questions and then purchase online, which is exactly what I did because of their attitude. Eventually I did return to one of their sister locations and developed a relationship with several of the employees. I'm old school and prefer people interaction. My first experience with the super online site that's praised here everyday was no that great either. I called to ask questions concerning the Tammy 70-200 2.8 vs the Sony and whom ever I spoke to that day was not helpful or interested at all. Since then though I have made a couple of small purchases online with them and have been happy with that service. I suggest any/every one at least try your local store before going online and as far as pricing I've found Dodd's Camera stores to be very competitive to everyone. I was very happy with the trade in value they gave me on my Canon equipment when I made the switch to Sony. I purchased a used 85mm 1.4 lens from them at a very reasonable price that one of the employees had set aside for me because we had established a relationship and he knew I would luv it. And someone wrote that local stores don't give 30 day trial periods, Dodds does, on their new and used equipment.
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