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Jun 18, 2021 11:04:56   #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Peterfiore presumably has it.
>But cameras that do focus bracketing generally use "steps" of focus bracketing, which is an number that is proportional to how much the focus changes for each picture. A small number means tiny focus changes, so lots of pictures are taken to focus thru a scene. This is done at wider apertures, so very shallow depth of field and appropriate for macro work where the scene is millimeters deep. A larger number means larger focus steps. This is appropriate for wider apertures, so greater depth of field and is appropriate for close up photography where you don't want to take a zillion pictures to get thru a scene that is several inches deep.
>You can continue taking pictures out to infinity if your lens permits it (not all macro lenses do).
>Of course the big question is 'what do those step numbers mean in terms of amount of focus change? Is it 1/2 millimeter per picture? 5 millimeters? How many pictures do I need to take to focus bracket thru a given scene? And the answer is it depends on the lens, and it depends on the scale of the scene. You just have to accept that you won't really know until you calibrate things.

I have a similar set-up, where I can focus bracket thru a macro or close-up scene, and I use 'steps'. What I had to do was calibrate my system so I'd know later what to do for a given situation. This involved setting up the camera on a tripod in a controlled setting, without vibrations, and then focusing on something up close that had lots of detail and it was viewed at a steep angle so that only a narrow part was in focus and the rest quickly faded into non-focus. I think I used a dollar bill. I set the camera to a wider aperture that gave maximum sharpness for my lens (f/6), but this is very shallow depth of focus for that lens. I tried different step sizes. Very small step sizes were too small, where the focused areas in each picture extensively overlapped each other. It would require lots of unnecessary pictures to get thru a scene.
Considerably larger step sizes (something like 50x larger step sizes) were too large. There were unfocused areas between each picture.

>One of our major contributors has a post that clearly illustrates this very issue: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-456907-1.html

>By experiment, I found an optimal step size for that lens and aperture where the focused areas overlapped but only a little. I could focus bracket thru a scene with a minimal # of pictures. When I found that, I wrote it down, and I keep it where I can always find it. What that step size is does not matter for you, since your values can easily be different.
> I repeated this for wider apertures, since I do want to also do close up focus bracketing of larger subjects. This soon took less time b/c I quickly caught on to how much I'd need to change the step size for successive apertures.

> Your camera also has the Frames setting. This is where you tell it how many pictures to take. I'm not sure what to say about that except that if the number of frames falls short of what you need, you probably could simply do another run from where you left off. If 50 frames wasn't enough. Do another 50.

> A common follow-up question is where one asks: How many pictures will I need to take to focus bracket thru this scene? The answer is: You don't need to know. Just start taking pictures a little in front of the scene, and continue taking them until you've focused past the scene. From time to time just check the viewfinder or lcd screen to see where you are. Once you see that you are thru the scene, that's when you stop pressing the shutter.
Peterfiore presumably has it. br >But cameras ... (show quote)


Thank you - an excellent answer that outlines exactly what I feared I might have to do. You are correct: sometimes the science of knowing exactly must give way to the art of just working at it until you get it right.
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Jun 18, 2021 10:58:29   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not entirely true. It’ll be sharp at the hyperfocal distance and get less sharp as you get closer to each end of the focal range. In many instances it will still be acceptably sharp throughout, not always though. That being said, for landscapes 3-5 images is usually more than sufficient. Macro is a different story. I’ve used as many as 300 images in a stack.


I agree. With a sufficiently small aperture I can get the shot acceptably sharp at the hyperfocal length, but that is not what I was trying to do. The conditions at the moment were soon to be gone and I didn't have a tripod. I wanted the head of a tall wild grass about two feet in front of me in crisp focus, and then I wanted the middle ground in soft focus and the far ground in crisp focus. I used to be able to do this with a split focus filter on a film camera but now I'm playing with digital. Two frames in focus bracketing would have done it, but I haven't yet figured out how to make that happen the way I want it to.
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Jun 18, 2021 10:40:56   #
Peterfiore wrote:
A quick google search brings this up from Fuji...I hope this helps.

https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/stories/advanced-month-5-focusing-20-focus-bracketing/


Thank you. I had seen that article already and it does help, but it does not really explain much about steps. This morning I shot some small flowers; I set the camera for 50 frames at 5 steps with a 45mm lens and a 16mm macro tube, but the camera only took 25 frames. What I have read seems to imply that the camera will keep adjusting focus until it reaches infinity, but the articles seem to also imply that you need an adequate number of frames for the size of the step to reach infinity, but I can't seem to find anything to identify what a 'step' actually is. I'm guessing the camera stops changing focus when it reaches the end of its ability to focus with a macro tube but that didn't seem to happen when I shot a landscape scene without a macro tube - the final shot was not in focus in the far distance (to be fair, I tried this on a misty morning over our river, so I may need to try again in clear air). Anyhow, it is interesting trying to figure it out, and for a hobby that's at least half the battle. I see more posts down below so I'll keep reading.
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Jun 18, 2021 10:37:28   #
Thank you. Bozsik's post is excellent as is his photography. I especially liked the image of the beetle at the end of the article. Something to aim for.
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Jun 17, 2021 21:04:25   #
I've been wandering in the wilderness trying to set up focus bracketing on a Fuji X-T30. I've read the manual, but it gives no real information at all. What are the rules for "frame" and "step"? How do I shoot a landscape scene to get a nearby piece of grass in focus and then have the focus bracketing step up to focus on the trees in the far distance? The manual seems to imply that the focus bracketing will step up to infinity, but I am not getting that result with 10 frames at 5 steps. What exactly IS a step? I'm also experimenting with macro photography and I'm looking at focus stacking, but I'm not sure what camera settings I should be using to get a suitable series of focused shots.
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May 26, 2021 09:24:34   #
rhudston wrote:
Way back when, in the days of film (as I might say to my grandchildren), when you turned a polarizing filter on an SLR, you could see the effect of the filter through the viewfinder. The sky got darker then lighter, contrast increased and decreased, glare disappeared and reappeared - all until you got the effect that you wanted. I tried one of the new circular polarizing filters with a mirrorless camera and found no change in effect no matter which way I turned the filter, so I dug into my old kit and tried my old linear polarizing filter. Same thing - no change in effect no matter which way I turned it. Why?
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Many thanks to all for replies. The camera is a Fuji mirrorless, and after reading replies and a very helpful article I tried the linear polarizing filter again and, lo and behold, there IS an effect, just barely visible. The article talked about cross-polarization problems with mirror systems, so I dug out my old SLR and tried the linear polarizing filter on that and saw the stronger effect that I remembered. In fact, looking through just the linear polarizing filter at the sky and turning it, I see about the same effect as I see through my mirrorless camera - nothing at all like the effect I get with polarized sunglasses. Unfortunately, I sold my circular polarizing filter with my former Sony camera, so I can't report on anything further with it. So the issue seems to be with the 'strength' of the polarizing filter and whether or not it is used with a system with a mirror. So now I am wondering, are there different 'strengths" (for want of a better technical term) of polarizing filters?
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May 25, 2021 17:13:16   #
Way back when, in the days of film (as I might say to my grandchildren), when you turned a polarizing filter on an SLR, you could see the effect of the filter through the viewfinder. The sky got darker then lighter, contrast increased and decreased, glare disappeared and reappeared - all until you got the effect that you wanted. I tried one of the new circular polarizing filters with a mirrorless camera and found no change in effect no matter which way I turned the filter, so I dug into my old kit and tried my old linear polarizing filter. Same thing - no change in effect no matter which way I turned it. Why?
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Mar 17, 2021 16:11:42   #
Bill_de wrote:
If you use "Quote Reply" instead of "Reply" it won't matter that your post goes in at the end. Everyone will know (provided they are awake) what you are referring to. You can do that now by going to his original post.
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Hahaaa, many thanks. I just figured that one out today. A great forum, but it works a little differently from others. Made perfect sense once I stopped and looked at it.
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Mar 17, 2021 13:23:38   #
Ysarex wrote:
Your retouch job in that sample is more than adequate -- assume with practice you can do better. Don't sweat things people aren't going to look at. In the full-res version of the photo I posted you can still see traces of the wire in the tree. So what. No one will ever notice. If the subject of your photo is engaging people won't spend time examining incidental unimportant details.

I circled a section in the lower right corner of the photo below. It's got a bright red spot (car tail light) and some small bright reflections (car again). They have the potential to catch a viewer's eye. I used the heal brush in C1 and copied from an area on the other sided of the photo. Once I had the basic mask painted I lowered the brush opacity to 40% and painted a ring around the first mask. It was quick and easy -- faster than PS. The job isn't perfect but no one will ever notice and that's your goal.
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I keep looking at your cloning in the apple blossoms photo. I can see where the clone was lifted from, but the blending is superb, and you're right, if I didn't know that the photo was altered I would never spot the change. I've sent along a recent project - a picture my wife took of our granddaughter eleven years ago. I edited it with PhotoShop years ago, but when I saw what Capture One could do, I wasn't long in redoing it. I used C1 to straighten the shot a little, remove the plastic sheet on the lawn (I was reseeding a part of the lawn at that time), and add a little bit of reflected light to her face, but I still had to go back to PS to remove the green composting bin, the wires through the trees, the driveway markers, and the dead tree in the hosta bed. I'll keep working on making fuller use of C1, but right now it's been like opening a new toy at Christmas.




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Mar 12, 2021 18:54:33   #
Thank you for the tip on how to do a cloning. I will be learning about Capture One for a long time. I downloaded a user manual - 776 pages+, wow - and any help will be greatly appreciated. Sometimes I have needed to rebuild a background (I removed a dead tree from a Hosta garden and then had to replace the Hostas and the gravel driveway from behind the dead tree), and I have found the clone stamp easier to use in tight quarters. I'm getting acquainted with differences between raster and vector graphics, but that is another steep learning curve.
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Mar 12, 2021 14:08:21   #
Ha - I'm glad I asked. I'm just now switching over to Capture One - a new Fuji camera got me headed in that direction - so I'm using the latest version and build. Photography is no more than a hobby for me, but retirement and digital images have allowed me to get more involved. I used PhotoShop to edit images for PowerPoint presentations, but the Fuji camera got me into shooting in RAW and then I needed something that would open and edit a .RAF image, which took me to Capture One Express and now I've bought the program. From what you've told me, I will keep PhotoShop and use it for the one thing it's good for and learn to use Capture One for everything else. Maybe I'll finally master the healing clone tool to the point where I can kiss PhotoShop goodbye. I've attached a couple of screen shots of a part of a photo I touched up in Capture One and then saved as a .JPG so I could remove the window sticker with the clone stamp in PhotoShop. The problem here was in cloning the brass seams and joints in the window. Just a small detail in the photo, but there didn't seem to be any other way around it.

I do want to thank you especially for your help and advice; the learning curve in digital editing is steep and it is good to know that there are knowledgeable folks out there who are willing and able to help. From what you have posted I know I would have enjoyed and benefited from your teaching.




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Mar 12, 2021 09:10:41   #
I'm trying to reply to Ysarex' original post, but my reply seems to be far from the place where I'd like it to appear. Is there any way to delete a post, or move it to where it ought to be in a thread?
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Mar 12, 2021 09:07:32   #
A question, if I could. I am just starting with Capture One. There are times I want to remove something from a photo - e.g. a sticker on a window behind the subject - and I find the clone stamp in PhotoShop easier to use and more accurate than the healing clone in Capture One. Like you, I would like to declutter, but I'm reluctant to let go of the clone stamp. Any suggestions?
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Mar 12, 2021 09:02:56   #
A question, if I could. I am just starting with Capture One. There are times I want to remove something from a photo - e.g. a sticker on a window behind the subject - and I find the clone stamp in PhotoShop easier to use and more accurate than the healing clone in Capture One. Like you, I would like to declutter, but I'm reluctant to let go of the clone stamp. Any suggestions?
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Mar 8, 2021 18:17:03   #
I never allow a program to decide for me what to save or delete. I also drive a manual stick shift. Old school all the way. I have found Capture One fairly easy to follow, but the green globs .... didn't know what to think. Many thanks to all on this forum who offered their advice.
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