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Sep 1, 2014 02:03:29   #
Mr PC wrote:
Not sure you understand that A mode on your camera is short for Aperture Priority. You set the aperture you want and the camera takes are of the rest to get the proper exposure. I had a friend borrow a camera once and he made this mistake and came back with a passel of very bad pictures, thinking the A was for auto. If you already knew this, sorry for bringing it up. If you didn't, I hope this helped and made you study up on Aperture Priority mode and what it's good for.


Yes, I did know that A was Aperture priority because auto is GREEN...lol. It seems that "A" is easier than "S". Also, I just came back from Cleveland and tried some pictures using Manual, some with Aperture priority and some in Auto...haven't had a chance to really look at them in Photoshop, but I think I got nice pics in all 3 modes. Since Peterson used so many lenses, I was really confused as to what the best lens to have would be.
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Sep 1, 2014 01:53:28   #
pithydoug wrote:
Well Gma you have a lot of spare cash if your looking at lens with f2.8. :) Those will be heavier and do you really lens that fast. Once you you drop from a f4 to 2.8 you start to lift weights.

Yes, I keep my white balance to Cloudy all the time for two reasons; one, I shoot 90% landscape and I like how it looks when reviewing, two, since I shoot raw format It doesn't matter most PPing tools will let you flip it to whatever, even B&W. Cloudy get you softer colors.

Peterson is a bit old school with center metering. I only use that when the scene is unbalanced like a bit too much backlight and I want the subject properly exposed even blowing out the background. Again 90% of the the time I stay in matrix to balance the entire scene. You don't need a light meter. The camera meter will keep you honest.

Time to get off auto - go cold turkey! :) If you shooting a person the decision you need to make first - are they still or are they moving. If moving set the camera shutter bias choosing 1/125 to 1/500 and let the camera select the aperture. Unless you are in minimal light you will be fine. If they are still, like a group shot or child in a highchair, set it to aperture bias. What aperture you select depends on how much you want in focus before or after the subject. Want everything then try f/11 - f18. If only the baby and want to blurr out the rest, then try f2.8-f5.6 assuming you get an F2.8 lens. What setting will serve you best, has to do with the lens. You will need to experiment with the lens.

As for lens, your targeted list means you are getting physically close to the subject(s). If you're looking for candid shots and want to stay back and get just the baby's face with ice cream all over it or uncle Bob with barbeque sauce in his eyebrow something in the 200-300 range. The 16-35 is really a wide angle for landscape, not so much for people unless you have 3 generations of people in a line and you want them all in one shot. The 35-70 is better but you still need to get real close.

If money is not an object get the 35-70 and add a 70-200 F4 for a nice range. the 70-200 does come in a f2.8 but very heavy and $$$$$$.


Re-read the chapter on Aperture - storytelling vs. singular vs. who cares.

Good luck you are on your way to getting off auto.
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I took notes on the aperture chapter and it is suggested to turn off auto focus and focus on something 3-5 feet in front of you for the greatest DOF in storytelling mode and a small lens opening like f/22 using a 35-70 lens. This will put everything in sharp focus front to back.

However, for singular-theme, he doesn't say if it is necessary to do a manual focus. Aperture priority set to a large opening like f/2.8 or f/4 will blur the background, but I'm not sure how far I should stand from the subject if I were using a 70-200 lens.

Would my 18-300 lens work equally well in both of the above scenarios? I price-checked the 70-200 f/2.8 and it is over $2,000. I could swing it; but I want to get the most useful lens(es).
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Aug 31, 2014 23:53:50   #
rpavich wrote:
No need to wait for a cloudy day! Shoot in all conditions and make something out of each one...they all have their place.

Light is light.
There is no "good" light or "bad" light...it's all in how you use what you have been dealt.


So, do you still use AUTO WB when you shoot in Manual? I've shot in manual & it doesn't seem hard at all; just more to think about before pressing the shutter, and that's good.
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Aug 31, 2014 23:46:32   #
iancj wrote:
Hi
It sounds like you're trying to take in too much all at once.

Keep it simple to start.
Your'e quite right to start with everything on auto.
You can then try experimenting with how manual changes affect the pictures. You learn best by doing.


Oh, by shooting in A, I meant "aperture priority". I've been shooting in auto for several years now, so it was past time to learn the other modes and features of my camera.

iancj wrote:
Choose one of the books and work through it 1 section at a time, trying it out on your own camera so that you understand it.
Every photographer has different preferences so you will get conflicting advice even from experts.


Bryan Peterson gave me the best technical description of f-stop and helped me understand the photographic triangle. I read parts of his book several times. I learned more in the first chapter of "Mastering the Nikon D5000" by Darrell Young than I did in an entire summer trying to decipher the owner's manual.

iancj wrote:
As to lenses. I don't think you should rush out and buy any just yet. It's a big expense and you may end up with a lens you hardly use. As your photography develops you may find that you have a need for a particular type of lens. That will be the time to choose one.


So did I make a mistake choosing the two additional lenses I currently own? (35 f/1.8 and 18-300 f/3.5-6.3).

iancj wrote:
White balance affect the colors of your photos. He probably suggests using cloudy because he likes the warmer look of the pictures. Auto adjusts it for every picture and works fine for me.

No you don't need to buy a light meter. The one in your camera will do the job perfectly well.
The different modes are just different ways of measuring the light. Which one is best will depend on different factors including the subject.
Matrix- is the most sophisticated. I takes lots of readings from all over the picture and uses a complex algorithm to try to calculate the best exposure.
Center weighted - measure light from the whole frame but gives a higher priority to the center of the image.
Spot - Measure only a small area of the frame. This has it's uses. Particularly where the light varies greatly across the frame. It lets you chose then most important area. But is the most difficult to use well.
I suggest you stick to matrix at first as it is the most sophisticated and usually produces good results.
There are always situations which will be difficult to meter and these can fool any light meter.
Learning how the subject and lighting affects exposure will help you compensate for this.
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I think you're right, auto white balance and matrix metering is probably best. I can always change white balance in Ps. I'm glad I didn't purchase a white meter. I thought I might need one because I remember my grandfather using one, but of course, that was before they were built into the camera.
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Aug 31, 2014 03:30:42   #
I still have a lot to learn but I'm understanding my camera a lot better and I finished the book by Bryan Peterson "Understanding Exposure". He used 23 different lenses to demonstrate his photos!

I'll never have that many but I was thinking of getting the 16-35 f/2.8 or possibly the 35-70 f/2.8...or BOTH?

Now I have my "homework" to do. Put into practice what Peterson suggests. I'm thinking I would be most comfortable shooting in A mode most of the time. I mostly shoot people (bang! bang!) Any thoughts?

Peterson suggests putting white balance on cloudy! Does anyone actually do this most of the time? I know I can always change it in Ps CC.

I'm also learning my camera through "Mastering the Nikon D5000". There are some differences of opinion for several things. WB for one. The camera book suggests auto. I have used most of the settings depending on the circumstances. But I am confused as to how to set metering. Peterson suggests using matrix but HE uses center-weighted all the time. So if I use matrix, will I need a light meter too (or not)?

I have tons more questions but this will do for now. Next week, I'll wait for a cloudy day & practice, practice, practice!
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Aug 26, 2014 16:40:42   #
dcampbell52 wrote:
LOL that's great... Anyone dealing with the public probably has some great "horror" stories....
I know Art Linkletter used to have "Kids Say the Darn'dest Things" but it isn't just the kids.....


Lmao...that reminds me of the professional shooting an outside wedding. He had bought a monopod that had extra little legs at the bottom. He thought he could use it like a tripod. The pro store owner told him that was a bad idea. Anyway, he did it anyway and a little kid came running by & tripped over it. Not only did his camera, lens, & flash go crashing to the ground, but also the leg caught onto his camera bag strap and pulled it off the table onto the floor. He had over $6,000 worth of damaged equipment.
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Aug 26, 2014 03:58:20   #
marcomarks wrote:
Also glad to see you are patronizing local stores when you can instead of jumping straight onto the Internet to save a few bucks. It's an attitude that is just about extinct.


I like to handle the gear, see how it feels it my hand; plus the sales people are so knowledgeable! I heard a lot of funny camera stories while I was shopping!

Two come to mind: 1) A guy came into the store & wanted to know why all his "professional" pictures of a wedding he shot came out dark. The store owner asked what f stop he used. The customer didn't have a clue...he just always set it on the green thing. So the store owner asked him if he charged for shooting a wedding. The answer? Sure $1500!!
2) A customer had a camera with a stripped tripod screw and instead of bringing it in and having it fixed (a $40 job), he decided he was going to DRILL the screw out; the drill slipped, and it went all the way through the camera, up through the pop-up flash. Then he brought it in to be fixed. When the shop owner stopped laughing he called his repair guy (they had almost 100 years between them in the camera business, including professional work). The funny thing is, the camera still took pictures...purple pictures!!
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Aug 26, 2014 02:54:44   #
rpavich wrote:
My advice?

Keep simple, use LR and learn your camera and gear.
Learn the craft of Photography, don't get into the "gotta get this gear" or "gotta get that software" mode until it's been quite a while.


I've had my DSLR for 4 years and I waited 2 years before I could justify spending the money on it. I've been using PSE, Canon, Hp, & other editing software for over 10 years (some came with previous cameras; some came with printers). I'm ready to progress again, which is why I signed up for the cloud. I'm rarely happy with a picture right out of the camera so I wanted to learn more editing tricks.

I don't get hung up on needing gear all the time but I've been wanting better glass for over 1 year. Yesterday I broke down & got an 18-300 f/3.5-6.3 lens, a new "professional" tripod, another speed light so one can be a slave, and a few other things. I was so excited to find TWO camera stores near me (but not TOO close).
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Aug 26, 2014 02:31:52   #
minniev wrote:
Rob sheppard is a great teacher, his books should help you a lot.

If you are subscribed to CC you have access to Lightroom which is much more valuable than bridge. If your photos are organized already, all you have to do is import them into Lightroom. They can stay right where they are and you can use Lightroom to keep organizing them the same way. Lightroom uses the same tools as camera raw, but with other features for organization, printing, in a very nice interface. But you'll need a book for it too!
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I'll probably get Rob's book eventually if I need to but I'll skip learning Lightroom for now. I will concentrate on learning Raw/ACR/Photoshop. That's why I love the cloud. I get access to everything!
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Aug 26, 2014 02:25:13   #
marcomarks wrote:


As far as teen girls, I'm positive they're just as bad if not worse. I was sitting at a picnic table across from four girls about 15 to 17 years old sitting together chatting at 100mph and in 5 or 6 minutes I probably heard the F word 100 times and b*tch almost as many times. This is in public, with others and small children nearby, not just them with me only nearby.


I know what you mean. A young mother with small children let her dog crap on my lawn. When I politely asked her to clean up after her dog, she came at me screaming foul things. Then called me a f*****g b***h. I told her, "Nice language in front of your kids". She was going to beat my a**!!!! No respect...for themselves or others.
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Aug 26, 2014 02:07:04   #
marcomarks wrote:

Lightroom isn't as powerful as the Bridge/ACR combination. Anybody who has used both will testify to that. Elements is handicapped in some ways and isn't as powerful as Photoshop. That's the facts whether you agree or not.


That's the answer I was looking for and it agrees with what I thought anyway. There was just so much talk about Lightroom, so I tried it from "the cloud". It's not intuitive at all. PSE is more like Photoshop than Lightroom.

I just couldn't see learning ANOTHER software program (plus buying another book). So, I am glad that I don't have to. I pulled a few of my Nikon folders into Bridge and it was VERY easy to add keywords to my files. Tomorrow I will start my edits and move on to learning Photoshop (while referring to the Dummies book, of course).

Oh, and don't think I'm shying away from LR due to the cost. It's more about the time to learn something else and another book to read.

No, $$ is not the problem...I just spent $1100 on new gear!
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Aug 25, 2014 10:06:10   #
marcomarks wrote:


If I was offended by something as minor as a book title with the word Dummies in it, I'd have to consider whether I don't get out enough to hear the horrible language and graphic slurs toward people that are current street language absolutely EVERYWHERE. Feel happy that it's just Dummies. There's another line of books called "... For Idiots" and you'd probably like that even less.


Believe me, I'm no puritan, especially after having 5 teenage boys at home at once and the teenage girl wasn't much better with her language. Now they are adults with teenagers of their own and I just sit back and laugh. My kids were absolute ANGELS compared to the teenagers across the street from me. Even LITTLE kids have horrible language coming out of their mouths. So, OK, I'll "get over it" and get the Dummies book! HA!
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Aug 25, 2014 01:42:07   #
marcomarks wrote:
When I was trying out the PhotoShop CS5 with their trial version, I bought PhotoShop CS5 for Dummies which, like all Dummies books, is yellow. I found it to be excellent for somebody completely new to Photoshop. Not that there's anything wrong with Kelby books but sometimes professionals make assumptions about what you know already that you actually don't know.

Once you master your body and master Photoshop, I think you may lose your desire for a FF because the output of those two combined with some plug-ins could be pretty amazing.
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What sort of plug-ins were you thinking> I'm going to spend the day in a photo store tomorrow!!
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Aug 25, 2014 00:28:02   #
minniev wrote:
Rob sheppard is a great teacher, his books should help you a lot.

If you are subscribed to CC you have access to Lightroom which is much more valuable than bridge. If your photos are organized already, all you have to do is import them into Lightroom. They can stay right where they are and you can use Lightroom to keep organizing them the same way. Lightroom uses the same tools as camera raw, but with other features for organization, printing, in a very nice interface. But you'll need a book for it too!
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I guess I must be missing something here. Is there some things Lightroom can do that Photoshop can't? Is that why you need both apps? I understand that not all photos will need Photoshop but can't it do the simpler edits as well as Lightroom?

I plan on staying with the cloud for the first year and really learn the apps available to me. I have plenty of Web addresses for tutorials and ideas for books to better learn these apps (I learn by reading & taking notes..then doing)

This is a rather meaningless question as long as I have the cloud. However, that only works as long as you have an Internet connection. Mine is sporadic so purchasing one stand alone software product might work better for me....and my choices are 1) Photoshop, 2) Lightroom, OR 3) PSE
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Aug 25, 2014 00:27:18   #
minniev wrote:
Rob sheppard is a great teacher, his books should help you a lot.

If you are subscribed to CC you have access to Lightroom which is much more valuable than bridge. If your photos are organized already, all you have to do is import them into Lightroom. They can stay right where they are and you can use Lightroom to keep organizing them the same way. Lightroom uses the same tools as camera raw, but with other features for organization, printing, in a very nice interface. But you'll need a book for it too!
Rob sheppard is a great teacher, his books should ... (show quote)


I guess I must be missing something here. Is there some things Lightroom can do that Photoshop can't? Is that why you need both apps? I understand that not all photos will need Photoshop but can't it do the simpler edits as well as Lightroom?

I plan on staying with the cloud for the first year and really learn the apps available to me. I have plenty of Web addresses for tutorials and ideas for books to better learn these apps (I learn by reading & taking notes..then doing)

This is a rather meaningless question as long as I have the cloud. However, that only works as long as you have an Internet connection. Mine is sporadic so purchasing one stand alone software product might work better for me....and my choices are 1) Photoshop, 2) Lightroom, OR 3) PSE
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