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Oct 19, 2017 19:31:10   #
B&H, Adorama should carry them. I got the ColorChecker Passport as it is more portable and protected in my view than the card. It also comes with the software. I am not sure the card alone comes with the software or not.

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Todd Ferguson

tenny52 wrote:
where can I find the Color Checker tool?
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Oct 19, 2017 19:04:09   #
1. Set your ISO value.
1a.Use your camera in spot metering mode. I will assume that you are shooting with the center focus point and the spot meter is metering at that point also.
2. Aim the focus point onto the brightest area of the subject area. (Often a white cloud if you are shooting a landscape.)
3. On my Canon I would then press the shutter release button half way to take a meter reading with the spot meter.
3a. You can at this point either remember the exposure shutter speed and aperture or lock the exposure with the Exposure Lock butto, (* button) on a Canon camera.
4. Then it depends what mode you are shooting in as to what you change to add the +2 to +2.5 stops.
I will give an example of using Manual Mode... Set your ISO to 2000, 1/2000 and f/4.0 for example is a reading I get at 7pm spot metering on the sky outside from my family room. I then Add 2 stops of light by setting the shutter speed to 1/500 and aim the camera to include the bright area I metered and mostly the darker interior of the house. Take the photo. It will likely come out very dark but you can adjust it in PP.
4a. You can also shoot in Aperture or Shutter Priority mode and use the Exposure Compensation to add the 2-2.5 stops. This may be less steps but you will have to watch your exposure to make sure you don't get too slow of a shutter speed or an aperture wider than you want or have on your lens.

I think I have hopefully described this correctly but it is getting to be that time of the day when I may not be thinking as clearly as earlier.
Give it a try and let me know how it works for you. I find it useful to watch my meter display to see if the meter is still giving me the over exposure that I am expecting based on what I set or changed. I set my camera to display the control values on the rear LCD as that is sometimes just easier for my old eyes to read than looking in the viewfinder. I use both though.

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Todd Ferguson


tenny52 wrote:
Now I got a little confused, did you meant
1. use spot meter (single) focus
2. point the red-square (focus point) to the brightest area of the subject
3. then press on the AE/AL button and reframe
3. increase the aperture by 2 to 2.5 stop; what happens if the aperture is already large enough?
3a: can I use the =/- button to the + side then
4. take the picture
Did I get that right?
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Oct 19, 2017 17:21:24   #
I can see the logic in that combination. I am sure the next rewrite is coming at some point. But who knows where it will go. I am sure they see a huge potential market in phones if they can figure out how to capture a piece of it and monetize it.

I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Apple would have purchased Adobe. I guess they could have and still could if they saw they value. Apple certainly has the money to by just about anything.
Reminds me of when I was at GM during the time they launched the whole Saturn brand. IIRC the money that GM put into that adventure was more than it would have cost to by both Honda and Toyota at the time. But the executives would not have been able to make themselves as much money trying to take over Honda and Toyota. And they had already gone down the acquisition route with the purchase of Ross Perot's EDS...

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Todd Ferguson

burkphoto wrote:
Photoshop has been redesigned and rewritten several times. Each time, it had become bloatware.

Personally, I think it is time to merge PS and LR into one program that does it all. I hate starting two different apps. If they asked me, I'd say, just give me a "dashboard" that runs all the routines from each package. And let me open and work on the same proxy images that are in LR, using the PS tools, without having to export anything. Touch pixels once in ALL routines! That would make everything re-editable, because the originals would never change. All changes would be applied on export, printing, or upload.

That's a pretty tall order, but someone will do something similar if Adobe doesn't.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:09:27   #
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
Good point about wasted tax dollars


Yes, we all pay taxes in one way or another, even those with the least of incomes.

To me it is a lot like the tragic deaths in Las Vegas. Very sad.
Yet I don't hear anyone mention the 3,000 lives that were lost today to abortions.
And about a third of those are blacks...but I don't see BLM marching about that either...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 19, 2017 16:06:02   #
I have the 1Dx Mk II and I enjoy it a lot. I worked for a long time to save up for my gear.
But I also am happy driving my 2003 Suburban with 200,000 plus miles. I don't need a brand new $50,000 car.
It is all about choices... People make choices based on their needs and desires and ability to do what they choose.

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Todd Ferguson

DSmith wrote:
My feelings are if you cannot afford it don't get it but don't complain about what Adobe is doing. It is their business and they can run it as they see fit. We are not entitled to any freebies. There are a lot of things I would like to have but they are out of my price range or I do not feel they are a financially good investment (a canon 1DX mark II is one). If you don't like Adobe's pricing use what comes with your camera, find an alternative, or pay Adobe's price, it is your choice.
Has anyone used Topaz Studio and if so what do you think of it? It is free with limited capabilities.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:47:02   #
$10 is nearly 33 cents a day... But have I and others have said there are alternatives and no one is forcing you to buy Adobe...
So, I just don't see what the beef is mostly... How much of our tax money gets wasted each day? I don't see this much complaining about that...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 19, 2017 15:22:09   #
You can spot meter the brightest area or highlight and the meter will meter that as 18 percent gray, Zone 5 in the Zone system. Then you can take that highlight exposure and increase it by 2 to 2.5 stops and shoot. The photo will not likely look good on your camera LCD but if shot in RAW and PPed it can be very nice. I am assuming of course that your camera can spot meter...

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Todd Ferguson

tenny52 wrote:
thanks, I always think the other way, underexposed is better as I think the shadow slider works better than the highlight.
I will try my brightness indicating in the middle, and when in doubt then add a few points with my +/- button
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Oct 19, 2017 14:57:41   #
No, I still have a much better understanding of the issue than you do or ever will I suspect.
SIMPLE SOLUTION...IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT DON'T BUY IT, DON'T USE IT AND DON'T CRY ABOUT IT!!!
There are many things in life that I an other people can't or choose not to buy but I don't sit around crying about it being unfair that I can't afford their product or that they should make it so I can afford it no matter what my level of income or wealth. That would be ridiculous...
If you don't use Adobe products and they go out of business you will be able to come on here and tell us you were right about NASCAR, perhaps the NFL and Adobe.

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Todd Ferguson

whitewolfowner wrote:
You still don't get it. You see $10 to some, and probably not you since you have the attitude you do, is a lot of money, while to others it's not even pocket change. Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, which is what this is when the companies wallets are now more like what fort Knox used to be. There is such a thing as a fair profit and then there is just out right robbery. Adobe is abusing the fact that people need their software in order to use their photo equipment to make a living and that is just out right immoral. OK, all you millionaires that have lost the value of a dollar, go ahead and trash me, it's nothing you haven't done in the past. Perhaps, those that think that the $10 a month is nothing, they could put in another nothing into a fund for those who can't afford it; wouldn't that be the democratic way of things. Now that statement should win me over some libertards.

Bottom line is that Adobe did fine as company before the extortion stunt, but I predict their greed is going to be their down fall. And the number of pissed off people here only proves that point. I predicted years ago Nascar would shoot themselves in the foot (when they started showing the races on pay TV channels and not free TV, where the majority of their fan base comes from); now they can barely fill half the stands even at their great races; the NFL is doing it to themselves right now (I said it would happen shortly after that piece of increment in San Francisco started his stunt last year); now they are having trouble filling stands and will fall if they keep it up. It's a corporate stupid mentality that they think they can do anything they want and we won't retaliate.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:46:30   #
RAW files are captured with the settings included that your camera was set up for when you take the photo. When I open a file in Lightroom it can apply the Picture Style and Color Profile that are included or you can quickly change them. This is what makes the ColorChecker Passport such a useful tool as you can profile your camera for different conditions and get to a common corrected baseline of the RAW files...in a few clicks...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 19, 2017 14:37:25   #
Having spent a fair amount of time as a software developer I can tell you that software gets aged out in part because of enhancements and fixes. Eventually it becomes such a hacked up mess that it is easier and necessary to just start over and rewrite it. Software is fundamentally two things, logic and language. Languages change over time. Who programs in Fortran any more... Methods of implementing the languages also change over time. Like many things it gets more complex and bloated over time. Methods that hardware forced us to use 30 years ago are no longer issues. I don't know but I highly doubt that Adobe is running any of the pieces of Photoshop that they developed 25 years ago in the original form. Change is constant and change and improvement cost money and time.

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 19, 2017 13:45:52   #
Great examples guys of what the JEPG only shooters are missing out on...
I calibrate my camera with the DTS software that comes with my Sekonic light meter and know with quite a bit of precision what it is capable of with about 30 minutes worth of calibration effort.

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 19, 2017 13:39:23   #
I believe that IBM bought Lotus as we had to use that stuff when I worked at IBM years ago... But that is what happens companies get bought up if anything of value is left or to eliminate them all together, or they die and go away. Apple at one time was looking at purchasing Adobe and got into a bunch of issues over PDF files with Adobe. Apple ended up developing their own PDF tools...

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Todd

Haydon wrote:
Todd in all due respect Lotus got eaten by MS a bigger more powerful company.

I do agree we all have a choice to buy their software or not just as we have a choice to complain when we aren't happy. I already know what I'm doing. I will just convert my files to dng and use my version of 6 but CaptureOne is looking better to me all the time. That's my choice ;)
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Oct 19, 2017 13:28:54   #
Haydon,

You get it and are exactly right... each should act in their own self interest...
No one is being forced to do or use anything...
Having been in the software business in the past I think it is a bargain...
Others may or may not...

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Todd Ferguson

Haydon wrote:
I'm voting by keeping my wallet closed :)
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Oct 19, 2017 13:26:51   #
I get it fine... Apple is rolling in cash and charging $1000 for the iPhone X... is that also bad in your mind.
Unless you have been in the software business you don't know what you are even talking about. At $10 a month it probably takes two thousand subscribers to pay for one software engineer and associated overhead for a year. People are not willing to pay the price of a couple Happy Meals to use these tools each month...WOW...

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Todd Ferguson

whitewolfowner wrote:
You still don't get it, do you. I don't remember the figures but Adobe is rolling in cash with unbelievable amounts, so don't be whining about what it takes to develop software. They did fine for how many years before they started extorting.
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Oct 19, 2017 13:14:35   #
How about if Adobe just shut the doors and stayed home...would that make everyone happy... Remember Lotus...and many other software companies that are no longer in existence. How about Digital Equipment Corporation, Prime, and many other computer hardware companies....gone.

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Todd Ferguson


texaseve wrote:
I agree. They have taken advantage of those who have used Lightroom for years and then deceived us too...“Future versions of Lightroom will be made available via traditional perpetual licenses indefinitely” as quoted from Adobe themselves. I don't have such a problem with being FORCED to use the Standard Adobe Lightroom CC, however, they plan to start charging for cloud space as well. I say forced because I have used the program for many years and would be hard to change now. I am so angry!! :-(
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