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Feb 23, 2018 12:24:45   #
"Repeat after me: Mass shooters are not disproportionately mentally ill."

This is the opening line of a meme that's been circulating in the aftermath of the shooting in Parkland, Fla.

But this and other efforts to downplay the role of mental illness in mass shootings are simply misleading. There is a clear relationship between mental illness and mass public shootings.

At the broadest level, peer-reviewed research has shown that individuals with major mental disorders (those that substantially interfere with life activities) are more likely to commit violent acts, especially if they abuse drugs. When we focus more narrowly on mass public shootings — an extreme and, fortunately, rare form of violence — we see a relatively high rate of mental illness.

According to our research, at least 59% of the 185 public mass shootings that took place in the United States from 1900 through 2017 were carried out by people who had either been diagnosed with a mental disorder or demonstrated signs of serious mental illness prior to the attack. (We define a mass public shooting as any incident in which four or more victims are k**led with a gun within a 24-hour period at a public location in the absence of military conflict, collective violence or other criminal activity, such as robberies, drug deals or gang turf wars.)

Mother Jones found a similarly high rate of potential mental health problems among perpetrators of mass shootings — 61% — when the magazine examined 62 cases in 2012.

Both rates are considerably higher than those found in the general population — more than three times higher than the rate of mental illness found among American adults, and about 15 times higher than the rate of serious mental illness found among American adults.

It’s possible for mass public shootings to be both a gun problem and a mental health problem.
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And yet this nuance often gets lost in mainstream news reports. In a story that largely suggested mass murderers are not "insane," the New York Times cited research showing that, in fact, mass murderers are nearly 20 times more likely to have a "severe" mental illness than the general population.

According to our research, only one-third of the people who have committed mass shootings in the U.S. since 1900 had sought or received mental health care prior to their attacks, which suggests that most shooters did not seek or receive care they may have needed.

This treatment gap is underscored by evidence showing that the U.S. has higher rates of untreated serious mental illness than most other Western countries. Additional research shows that the gap is even larger for males, who have committed 99% of the country's mass public shootings.

Although the link between mass shootings and mental illness has only recently gained widespread recognition, the correlation itself is longstanding. Indeed, we see it in some of the earliest such shootings in the U.S. Gilbert Twigg, who opened fire on a concert crowd in Winfield, Kan., in 1903, k*****g nine, had displayed signs of paranoia beforehand. Howard Unruh, who shot and k**led 13 people in Camden, N.J., in 1949, was later diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. (Both were also Army veterans who had seen combat.)

One of the primary reasons some are reluctant to establish the link between mass shootings and mental illness is a fear that it will lead to the stigmatization of such disorders. This concern is valid. The vast majority of people with mental disorders are not violent, after all.

Conversely, some have insisted — wrongly, in our opinion — that mass public shootings are strictly a mental health problem rather than a gun problem. They, too, are on the wrong side of the evidence. It's possible for mass public shootings to be both a gun problem and a mental health problem.

Increasing access to mental health care may reduce mass public shootings. But while such events are more commonplace than they should be, the reality may be that they're still too rare to develop and implement policies that reduce their incidence or severity specifically.

Policymakers should therefore focus on strategies that have shown promise in reducing gun violence in general, like a federal universal background check.

Because there's still a lot we don't understand about mass shootings, we need to invest in research to develop evidence-based solutions. In the meantime, the media should stop glorifying this violence. In the midst of our tribal hyperpartisanship, the debate over mass shootings is doomed to continue ignoring facts. We won't make any progress until those on the mental health side and those on the gun side find common ground that's rooted in empirical reality.

Grant Duwe is research director for the Minnesota Department of Corrections and the author of "Mass Murder in the United States: A History." Michael Rocque is a professor of sociology at Bates College.


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Feb 22, 2018 20:53:11   #
TriX wrote:
In the US? When and where? Eight in NY as I recall, ONE TIME. How many mass shootings? Los Vegas? Orlando? Columbine? Parkland? Shall I go on?


I'm talking worldwide. Or, is it your narrow-minded feeling that ONLY sacrosanct people in one nation need be considered?
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Feb 22, 2018 20:38:25   #
TriX wrote:
But not 17 in a few minutes without a large capacity magazine or a bomb.


Many more than 17 have been k**led by a vehicle driven by some mentally ill maniac.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:12:28   #
markngolf - "no bystander has ever been k**led by the mental illness of another."

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! This statement is naivete at it's worst. Mentally ill folks have used every device conceivable to k**l others: knives, axes, baseball bats, rocks, kitchen utensils, their hands, their fists, their feet, suffocation by pillows, vehicles, bombs, big aggressive dogs, food poisoning, pushing someone off a cliff...you name it.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:19:02   #
tbhyde wrote:
Truro, Massachusetts


Spectacular night shot.

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Feb 21, 2018 22:14:33   #
WARREN HOSTETLER wrote:
Thoughts please


Less water and more boat during the picture taking, or cropping, would make the picture more meaningful to me.
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Feb 21, 2018 18:06:30   #
DOOK wrote:
I was at Red Cliff yesterday & noticed this girl relaxing on the rocks. Apart from myself, she was the only person in the area. Downloading is recommended.


I've lived near the ocean for decades. I could even hear the waves as they washed over the rocks. Mesmerizing.



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Feb 21, 2018 17:53:57   #
Los-Angeles-shooter
"Many people have pointed to Israel as proof of how gun control should be. The Jewish state, that is otherwise an anathema to the left, has some pretty strict gun laws, making it a role model for us to consider, some argue."

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Feb 21, 2018 17:42:37   #
Hal81 wrote:
Every time I think Trump could have done a little better I remember want a rotten mess we would be in if the bag lady had won. Im so glad the American people have spoken and kept Hillary and the pervert out of the white house.




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Feb 21, 2018 17:39:21   #
Hal81 wrote:
Every time I think Trump could have done a little better I remember want a rotten mess we would be in if the bag lady had won. Im so glad the American people have spoken and kept Hillary and the pervert out of the white house.




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Feb 19, 2018 14:27:32   #
SteveR wrote:
There was a time in the U.S. when independent news and tv journalists fought, under their personal bi-lines, for a story that was, above all things, verified and t***hful. Journalism today is far from that and is dependent upon the bias of not only the journalist but the owner of the network or newspaper. The search for t***h seems to have been lost somewhere along the way. As journalism has turned from a search and presentation of t***h towards bias it has opened the broader door of bias and unt***hs to be presented in social media forums such as facebook and twitter.

While we may cheer on biased news which favors our own particular world view, we are also opening the door to f**e news in its own right. F**e news is f**e news. Let's get rid of it all.
There was a time in the U.S. when independent news... (show quote)


I read just this morning that there is a new program that allows easy alteration of videos, making them f**e and phony,but appearing to be real. Sad that some braindead folks would use such an app.
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Feb 19, 2018 14:21:59   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
http://www.projectrepublictoday.com/2018/02/18/reality-check-minnesotan-gun-ownership-highest-ever-violent-crime-remains-50-year-low/?utm_content=buffer4d772&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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Feb 19, 2018 14:16:25   #
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Feb 19, 2018 14:14:59   #
EyeSawYou said:



"Lol, pure nonsense..

However, Rosenstein underscored that there is "no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity" and "no allegation that this activity actually altered the outcome of the 2016 e******n." T***p w*n the e******n regardless of Russian influence or not."

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Feb 16, 2018 00:25:11   #
It's never made the news, but Obama so admired President Kennedy and Kennedy's grasp of the English language and his oratory sk**ls.. When he was President, Obama was planning a trip to Frankfurt, Germany, and planned on giving a speech using the words Kennedy used in a speech in Berlin. And, the words Obama loved and admired the most of Kennedy's speech were the words "Ich bin ein Berliner." In saying this, Kennedy meant, of course, to ally himself with the German populace, and didn't realize that in German "Ein Berliner" meant a jelly donut. Kennedy more properly should have said, "Ich bin Berliner."

Can you imagine Obama addressing a crowd in Frankfurt, using the same lingo Kennedy used about Berlin........"Ich bin ein Frankfurter?"
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