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Aug 1, 2012 06:55:29   #
I don't know how to take this video. It is a known fact that GM has manufacturing plants all over the world. Australia's Holden Motors is a GM owned company, and manufactures a lot of the vehicles we purchase here in the U.S. The former Pontiac G8 was a Holden, the all new Chevrolet Caprice PPV is a Holden, built in Australia. I don't know if we should take this at face value, or chalk it up to propaganda.
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Jul 31, 2012 23:29:35   #
PNagy wrote:
Designerfin wrote:
Don't forget, we voted for ALL the politicians. Why? Because we did not educate ourselves, because we don't like to pay for all that government provides and we wouldn't vote for those who would do the right thing, in spite of our ignorance and displeasure. We have vilified intellect, and vote for the person we would most want to have a beer with, instead of someone whose intelligence we can trust. Americans have gotten what they (we) deserve in a real sense, and at some point we will pay for our apathy. Thems with the gold are making' the rules and we keep falling for their BS.
Don't forget, we voted for ALL the politicians. Wh... (show quote)


I disagree with you. We voted for the wrong person because the right person cannot find his name on the ticket of either major party. Both the Democrat and the Republican candidates were and continue to be wrong. They represent only the corporate interest, not the American interest. So long as the amount of corporate money in government is not strictly limited this will not change unless there is an outright revolt.
quote=Designerfin Don't forget, we voted for ALL ... (show quote)

The more I read of your post, the more I understand what you are saying. Although there are aspects I do not, and will never agree with
I find myself agreeing with you on most of your points.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:07:05   #
Do have any proof of these allegations? If so can yoou post links?
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Jul 31, 2012 16:09:51   #
ole sarg wrote:
Donrent any source that does not agree with you is biased.

Sad, so sad


Sarg, that is your point of view. You accuse everyone who does not agree with you of bias. You are too blind to see you are what you accuse others of being.
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Jul 31, 2012 16:03:19   #
SteveR wrote:
Apparently the link didn't work. Let's see if this does. Chicago's religious leaders are saying "we are Chicago, too!"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/31/chicago-religious-leaders-back-chick-fil/

Careful steve, you will have the liberals here upset posting links to Fox News. You know since Fox News doesn't necessarily have a liberal point of view they must be lying.
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Jul 31, 2012 15:52:24   #
Apparently if you are a left wing liberal you can say whatever you want, and when the people call you on you can blame it on right wing conspirators!
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Jul 31, 2012 11:08:29   #
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not argue with that.But as president of the United States if was a mistake, he should have corrected it. He has an image to uphold, and if that image makes him appear to be a liar it affects all of us. Rick Perry made a mistake during a debate, he forgot what he was going to say, it cost him the election. So, I am sorry, but is President Obama said his father served in WWII, then he meant his father served in WWII, and it is a lie. He as president does not have the luxury of making such mistakes. In my opinion, that is the price he pays for having someone else write his speeches for him, and for relying on a teleprompter, which unfortunately. is a practice used by all politicians.
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not ar... (show quote)


If you look at your sixth sentence, I think you misspoke. I'm not accusing you of lying, you just made a mistake. Only God is infallible. We elected a man as President. As for teleprompters, they have been used by all Presidents for major speeches for as long as I remember. The fact that you people ridicule Obama for using one has caused Romney to forgo teleprompters and is the reason he puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it.
quote=dtcracer It is a possibility that he mispok... (show quote)


If you had read my last sentence, I have said the same thing, that all politicians follow this practice. Its not the teleprompter that is the problem. The problem lies in having someone else write your speech for you. Every politician in modern history has relied on someone else writing their speeches for them. Most political speeches are not in their own words, and the speech writer could sneak in something the speaker doesn't want to say or believe in, and by the time the speaker realizes it, it is too late.
quote=John 1813 quote=dtcracer It is a possibili... (show quote)


I must disagree with most of what you say in your last sentence. I don't believe President Obama's speechwriters try "sneak in" anything. I do believe Obama has major input into what is written and carefully reviews everything before giving his speech. The way every sentence is parsed and nuanced requires the use of a teleprompter so that he is as accurate as possible in what he is trying to convey. As I previously stated, no one except God is perfect and mistakes will always be made. This whole thread is much ado about nothing and you know it.
quote=dtcracer quote=John 1813 quote=dtcracer I... (show quote)


Once again... I never said that Obamas speech writers try to sneak anything into his speeches. I said it was a fallacy of the use of speech writers that it could happen. As far as the whole thread being much ado about nothing, I could not agree more. It is simply people stating their opinions, which is what makes our country great, that everyone can state their opinion without fear of reprisal.
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Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
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I will not play this game with you. This is my last response to anything that you say. Have a good day.
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Jul 31, 2012 10:46:21   #
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not argue with that.But as president of the United States if was a mistake, he should have corrected it. He has an image to uphold, and if that image makes him appear to be a liar it affects all of us. Rick Perry made a mistake during a debate, he forgot what he was going to say, it cost him the election. So, I am sorry, but is President Obama said his father served in WWII, then he meant his father served in WWII, and it is a lie. He as president does not have the luxury of making such mistakes. In my opinion, that is the price he pays for having someone else write his speeches for him, and for relying on a teleprompter, which unfortunately. is a practice used by all politicians.
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not ar... (show quote)


If you look at your sixth sentence, I think you misspoke. I'm not accusing you of lying, you just made a mistake. Only God is infallible. We elected a man as President. As for teleprompters, they have been used by all Presidents for major speeches for as long as I remember. The fact that you people ridicule Obama for using one has caused Romney to forgo teleprompters and is the reason he puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it.
quote=dtcracer It is a possibility that he mispok... (show quote)


If you had read my last sentence, I have said the same thing, that all politicians follow this practice. Its not the teleprompter that is the problem. The problem lies in having someone else write your speech for you. Every politician in modern history has relied on someone else writing their speeches for them. Most political speeches are not in their own words, and the speech writer could sneak in something the speaker doesn't want to say or believe in, and by the time the speaker realizes it, it is too late.
quote=John 1813 quote=dtcracer It is a possibili... (show quote)


I must disagree with most of what you say in your last sentence. I don't believe President Obama's speechwriters try "sneak in" anything. I do believe Obama has major input into what is written and carefully reviews everything before giving his speech. The way every sentence is parsed and nuanced requires the use of a teleprompter so that he is as accurate as possible in what he is trying to convey. As I previously stated, no one except God is perfect and mistakes will always be made. This whole thread is much ado about nothing and you know it.
quote=dtcracer quote=John 1813 quote=dtcracer I... (show quote)


Once again... I never said that Obamas speech writers try to sneak anything into his speeches. I said it was a fallacy of the use of speech writers that it could happen. As far as the whole thread being much ado about nothing, I could not agree more. It is simply people stating their opinions, which is what makes our country great, that everyone can state their opinion without fear of reprisal.
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Jul 31, 2012 10:42:36   #
frenchcoast wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
I can just see it now, in the past years we had a president that proclaimed a chicken in every pot now some folks want one that proclaims 2 wives in every bed. Being a good mormon am sure Wee Willy follows his mormon teaching.


Polygamy has been banned by the Morman church since 1898. I do not believe in polygamy (I can't keep up with one wife, same reason I have never cheated on her!) , but I have to ask, how would that be any worse than legalizing gay marriage?
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Better study up on the mormons a bit, they are still active in poligamy.
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There are radical groups that claim to be mormons that still practice polygamy. These groups have been "excommunicated" from the mormon church. The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (the official Mormon Church) does not allow polygamy.
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Jul 31, 2012 10:16:07   #
John 1813 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not argue with that.But as president of the United States if was a mistake, he should have corrected it. He has an image to uphold, and if that image makes him appear to be a liar it affects all of us. Rick Perry made a mistake during a debate, he forgot what he was going to say, it cost him the election. So, I am sorry, but is President Obama said his father served in WWII, then he meant his father served in WWII, and it is a lie. He as president does not have the luxury of making such mistakes. In my opinion, that is the price he pays for having someone else write his speeches for him, and for relying on a teleprompter, which unfortunately. is a practice used by all politicians.
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not ar... (show quote)


If you look at your sixth sentence, I think you misspoke. I'm not accusing you of lying, you just made a mistake. Only God is infallible. We elected a man as President. As for teleprompters, they have been used by all Presidents for major speeches for as long as I remember. The fact that you people ridicule Obama for using one has caused Romney to forgo teleprompters and is the reason he puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it.
quote=dtcracer It is a possibility that he mispok... (show quote)


If you had read my last sentence, I have said the same thing, that all politicians follow this practice. Its not the teleprompter that is the problem. The problem lies in having someone else write your speech for you. Every politician in modern history has relied on someone else writing their speeches for them. Most political speeches are not in their own words, and the speech writer could sneak in something the speaker doesn't want to say or believe in, and by the time the speaker realizes it, it is too late.
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Jul 31, 2012 10:10:07   #
frenchcoast wrote:
I can just see it now, in the past years we had a president that proclaimed a chicken in every pot now some folks want one that proclaims 2 wives in every bed. Being a good mormon am sure Wee Willy follows his mormon teaching.


Polygamy has been banned by the Morman church since 1898. I do not believe in polygamy (I can't keep up with one wife, same reason I have never cheated on her!) , but I have to ask, how would that be any worse than legalizing gay marriage?
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Jul 31, 2012 09:42:25   #
Beautiful plane! The B-17 is my favorite WWII aircraft. Thanks for sharing!
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Jul 31, 2012 09:34:27   #
DennisK wrote:
PNagy wrote:
gmcase wrote:
micro wrote:
gmcase wrote:
Danilo wrote:
Our people in government are clearly unwilling and unable to squarely deal with the problem. I suggest they admit failure and step aside, there ARE people who could deal with this.
It looks like Romney's experience with Bain Capitol dealing with failing businesses could really apply here. We don't have to LIKE him! I, for one, am not looking for a new friend. I'm looking for a qualified person to lead our country. Romney is probably NOT the only one who could do this, but he IS out there, and he IS available; the others may be in hiding.
Someone's probably going to be thrown under the bus, hell, it almost has to happen. I'll volunteer, it's a small price to pay.
Economically, we need to redefine our country to be compatible with new technology and the new needs of civilization. Building cars and tractors is not where it's at anymore.
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If he had CEO like powers he probably could make the numbers better but he is not committed to small efficient government evidenced by his track record. Obama's record is dismal too. Both are Fascists totally committed to the unholy alliance between big government and big business. This isn't free market capitalism but crony CRAPitalism which is really Fascism when you get to the root of the problem. Those who expect big government to curb their big business counterparts are fooling themselves. They both benefit from each other at the expense of the people. A snake with two heads.
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Obama's a fascist?
Seems like only yesterday that he was a Socialist!
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Very little difference.
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If you tell us fascists and socialists are the same, could you please explain?
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Actually fascism is a far right philosophy.
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Nope, fascism combines both left and right wing philosphies. Look it up. Fascism rejects all socialist ideas, both of the communist and social democracy philosophies.

From wikipedia:

There is some dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[36][37][38][39] Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"[40][41] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[42] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[37] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[38][39] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.
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Jul 31, 2012 09:28:46   #
It is a possibility that he mispoke. I will not argue with that.But as president of the United States if was a mistake, he should have corrected it. He has an image to uphold, and if that image makes him appear to be a liar it affects all of us. Rick Perry made a mistake during a debate, he forgot what he was going to say, it cost him the election. So, I am sorry, but is President Obama said his father served in WWII, then he meant his father served in WWII, and it is a lie. He as president does not have the luxury of making such mistakes. In my opinion, that is the price he pays for having someone else write his speeches for him, and for relying on a teleprompter, which unfortunately. is a practice used by all politicians.
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Jul 31, 2012 09:14:15   #
There have been many issues that Barack Hussein Obama has made Federal issues that the Federal government should not be involved in. To start with the so-called "beer summit" involving his long time racist friend Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr, who had a fit because Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley had performed his duty, trying to protect Gates property. That was not an issue the President of the United States should have been involved in, and if it had not been a friend of Obamas he would not have been. It is a known fact that Obama surrounds himself with known African-American racist, such as Gates, and his "former" pastor, whose name I cannot recall. But I digress, homosexual marriage is a matter that belongs at a state level, it is not an isuue that the Federal Government should take up. And Barack Hussein Obama states such himself when running for president in 2007-8 when the issue had more opponents than supporters. Now, four years later, when there are more outspoken supporters of the issue, he has changed his mind. It is purely a political ploy during an election year.
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