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Feb 15, 2018 08:35:09   #
Chris T wrote:
Were that only to be true, Kris ... that Photography relies solely on Concept ...

As another has pointed out, here ... Photojournalism doesn't have much to do with concept ... it has more to do with timing than anything else ....

I would like to think, Kris ... GOOD photography - is ALL ABOUT aesthetics ....


Because we were talking about Adams and Eggleston, my comments are meant about art photography not photography in general and certainly not photojournalism. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
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Feb 15, 2018 01:34:04   #
Chris T wrote:
Not at all, actually, Kris ... at least Eggleston shot real subjects ....

But, there is this new school of thought in Photography - that it is a variable medium - like Art ... with Cubic, and Blue Periods, like the old Masters ....

Photography which relies totally on adaptive processes like PP ... is NOT Photographic Art ... it's Art utilizing Photography as an initiation point ...

You could just as easily squirt paint on a canvas ... and call it art ... it allows for no conceptualization ....

We seem to have lost the ideas in Photography ... for example - rounding up a thousand naked bodies on NY's West Side ... shooting a "still" movie, etc.
Not at all, actually, Kris ... at least Eggleston ... (show quote)


Photography does not rely upon processes such as PP but rather ideas. Photography being free from much of the material, technical and labor demands of other media focuses solely on concept. Contemporary photography is about concept and information more than aesthetic concerns.
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Feb 15, 2018 01:30:55   #
Chris T wrote:
Not at all, actually, Kris ... at least Eggleston shot real subjects ....

But, there is this new school of thought in Photography - that it is a variable medium - like Art ... with Cubic, and Blue Periods, like the old Masters ....

Photography which relies totally on adaptive processes like PP ... is NOT Photographic Art ... it's Art utilizing Photography as an initiation point ...

You could just as easily squirt paint on a canvas ... and call it art ... it allows for no conceptualization ....

We seem to have lost the ideas in Photography ... for example - rounding up a thousand naked bodies on NY's West Side ... shooting a "still" movie, etc.
Not at all, actually, Kris ... at least Eggleston ... (show quote)


Explain what you mean by real subjects. What would be a fake subject then?
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Feb 15, 2018 00:34:06   #
Chris T wrote:
Yes, well, BTBG ... you are comparing Photojournalism with Art achieved in a Photographic Method .... not really the same premise ....

I was making a point between Pre-Visualization (the tried and true Ansel Adams method) and serendipitous shooting, later changed into "art" via PP ...

My contention is that these are two very different forms of photography ... with the latter not specifically dependent on any kind of Pre-Visualization ....


Sounds like you are essentially talking about Ansel Adams vs William Eggleston.
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Feb 6, 2018 06:24:36   #
rook2c4 wrote:
The emergence of roll film changed all that.


The Kodak used the early form of roll film which was paper. The emulsion after being developed by people at Eastman was then transfered to glass plates for printing of the positive. The camera was shipped back to customer preloaded with film. Eventually cellulose nitrate replaced the paper. I'm not sure when the Kodak cameras switched from round images to rectangular.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:15:07   #
Prints weren't always rectangular or square.

https://mashable.com/2016/01/09/early-candid-photography/#h3ESj8mATaqM
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Feb 5, 2018 19:58:28   #
Print size and viewing distance are highly subjective and depend on the meaning being expressed in the photograph and how the photographer wants the viewer to experience it.

For instance: This series is printed 5.5" x 6.5" with the actual contact print size being 4"x5" http://www.kristofferjohnsonfoto.com/work/#/vanished-expressions/

I tried printing it larger but the images fell apart conceptually and lacked the same visual interest and experience. The smallness of the images forces the viewer to be intimate with the prints when viewing them because they have to get close.

The work of Andreas Gursky is also highly dependent upon print size. His prints are massive. If they were not as big the impact would change dramatically. https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/Andreas-Gursky

Viewing distance can be integral to ones images. Mark Rothko's large color field paintings may seem empty to many but they are likely standing to far away. Rothko in his writings suggested that the paintings be viewed closely, 18" or so. Standing so close to these large color fields gives the viewer the experience of being absorbed by the color and enjoying the very subtle transitions within the field.

https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/themes/abstract-expressionism/the-sublime-and-the-spiritual
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Feb 2, 2018 23:39:21   #
I wouldn't base much on a Wikipedia page. There are far more reliable sources.
For instance: http://www.dhw-fototechnik.de/en/rolleiflex-slr/rolleiflex-hy6.html

To my knowledge the Hy6, like most medium format cameras can use a film back or a digital back. It is likely though unlike the other older cameras that came before it, this camera was designed to be used with a digital back from the start.
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Feb 2, 2018 23:34:35   #
I really like it but I would suggest burning in the left edge right below the upper corner a bit. Otherwise it is a fantastic image
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Feb 2, 2018 17:33:25   #
Also, here is a book that may be of some help. https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/manual-close-up-photography/author/lester-lefkowitz/

You may also want to try backlighting the paper
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Feb 2, 2018 17:26:32   #
fjwallace wrote:
It was a gray paper and there is no f-stop since this is a finite objective on a bellows. Thanks for your comments.
There is always an f/stop but it sounds like it is fixed and cannot be changed. You mention the focal length as 160mm. What kind of focus is expected to be achieved at 160mm with this sort of lens? Essentially, is 160mm of bellows required for focusing at 1:1 or some other ratio? The amount of bellows required for a lens at infinity is the same as the focal length but I suspect this would not be true for this lens since it is specifically for macro work. How are you focusing?
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Feb 2, 2018 16:25:20   #
I would suggest doing a test with an object with more contrast and also using more light to do the test. What was your f/stop and shutter speed?
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Jan 31, 2018 12:53:12   #
Chris T wrote:
Well ... first off - on your last point - this is a text question ... so there's no value to posting photos to go with it ....

Secondly - as soon as I post photos on one of my Topic Posts - it gets transferred to the Gallery ... so - I think not ....

Now, then - on the relevance to "f8 and be there" ... it was just a pertinent way to start off the Topic Post ... since it's a well-known phrase ....

At the time - I wasn't thinking of it in reference to Weegee's work, or anyone else's - for that matter ....

AND, LASTLY - the point here, I was trying to make - is that with some of today's glass - performing at their best wide open (noting those 3 apertures) ....

Perhaps, it might just as well work out - to - BE THERE - on top of your subject ... and use the fastest aperture, you've got ... get it, John?
Well ... first off - on your last point - this is ... (show quote)


What do mean by best? This is dependent upon what the scene and photographers vision requires.

Also, at this point posting a photo will not result in the topic being moved to the gallery
Do you have a website where your work is displayed? If yes, can you post a link to it?
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Jan 31, 2018 10:05:37   #
The cropped digital sensor size is based on the Advanced Photo System film standard that was introduced in the 1990s. It was developed as a joint effort by Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and Konica. My understanding is that it was a colossal failure however, the standard sizing has remained. This is why Canon refers to their crop sensors as APS-C.
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Jan 28, 2018 20:25:13   #
Chris T wrote:
So, there ARE NO diffraction limits, Kris?


Diffraction certainly impacts image sharpness at smaller f/stops. My point is that it shouldn't matter because absolute sharpness is overrated and insignificant.
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