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Aug 28, 2022 22:58:04   #
neillaubenthal wrote:
I would definitely keep the 50 especially if you have the 2 kit lenses…quite excellent output at very light weight for ultra commando fits in a waist pack kit. While the 7II is less good in low light than the 6II because of pixel size…it’s still better than most DSLRs IMO. I wouldn’t count on a Z8 or Z7IIi or whatever they call it until it’s here. The extra MP in the 7II make it better than the 6II in my view and it’s good for just about everything including BIF although it does struggle a bit with that and my 500PF…haven’t tried it with my Z 100-400.

If we see a more 9 like but no grip body…it’s seriously on my I would likely upgrade the 7II list.
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One low light (slight) advantage the Z7 has is no anti-aliasing filter. The tests I have seen show very little low light advantage of the Z6 over the Z7. I was surprised by that because the Z6 pixels are more than twice the size of the Z7. That should mean one full stop.

These cameras are so good at high ISO that low light is almost a thing of the past.
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Aug 28, 2022 21:38:30   #
A Z9 isn’t on my wish list. I value smaller size and weight and am sure the Z7ii will do more than I need.
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Aug 28, 2022 11:38:55   #
leftj wrote:
I'm having trouble believing mpb is offering you $1,700 for a Z 6 when you can buy new for less than that.


Sorry…that is the difference between the Z6 trade and Z7 ii. Trade $750.
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Aug 28, 2022 09:58:51   #
jerryc41 wrote:
The II is the way to go. The Z6 II and Z7 II are quite a bit better than the originals - according to reviewers. As for the Z8, from what I hear, that probably won't be coming around any time soon.

Considering the choices in your title, I would go (I did go) with the Z6 (II). The difference between the Z6 II and Z7 II is mainly MP. Are you willing to pay $1,000 for 21 MP?

Z6 II vs Z7 II - https://www.google.com/search?q=z6+ii+vs+z7+ii&oq=z6+ii+vs+z7+ii&aqs=edge..69i57j0i22i30l3j0i390l2j69i64.5379j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Don't forget about refurbished and used - KEH and MPB.
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Thanks. Have a quote from MPB to trade Z6 for Z7ii ($1700). Will check KEH and decide Monday. Need to confirm with MPB that it is Nikonusa.

The extra MP are most important for using DX lenses and substantial cropping. I’d rarely use DX lenses on the Z7 as long as I keep Z50. I often need to crop quite a bit with wildlife images…but I usually use Z50 for wildlife. I know the images I have from my D800 are noticeably sharper than Z6.

Probably will go that way for now and see how much I continue to use Z50.
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Aug 27, 2022 13:09:33   #
ClarkJohnson wrote:
IMHO, your last stated option is your best bet. Trade in the Z6 for a Z7II.

I have, or had, all of the items you mention. The Z50 has a niche place in my inventory as a travel, social event camera, and only used for wildlife when the bigger bodies are not available. The Z7II, with the dual processors and higher MP, should be able to give you a more satisfactory wildlife experience than either the Z50 or the Z6, as well as producing wonderful landscape images.

The Z8 is a remote dream to which we can attach our hopes and wishes, but I would not base important decisions on my wishes for the future.

When I say "more satisfactory" wildlife shooting, please understand that I don't regard any of the Z bodies, except the Z9, as superior to the D500 for birding (my wildlife focus). But at least you would be able to use DX mode on the Z7II and still get reasonable results.

Why don't you rent or borrow a Z7II and give it a whirl?

Good luck!
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Thanks. That is the way I am leaning. And with that choice I can see what happens and dump the Z50 later if I find myself not using it.

Currently I use the Z 50 most because of its lighter weight plus its lighter weight lenses. I don’t have a wide angle for it but have F mount, FTZ, and 35 1.8 and 10-24…which I don’t use because for wide angle I prefer the Z6 w 14-30. I could use the 14-30 on Z50…but so far have not. Defeats weight advantage.

I already have an xqd and a CFb I can use with the Z7 ii as my back up and SD as primary. I prefer using SD because both my computers have SD slots and I need to use converter for xqd or CFb…two different ones.

My only concern originally with the Z7 (compared to Z6) was its low light performance. From what I have seen since it is almost as good at high ISO so not a concern.
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Aug 27, 2022 12:53:47   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It makes absolutely no sense to use DX lenses on a Z7, especially since you have a Z50!


Maybe not to you. I sometimes used my DX lenses on my D800 w image areas up to full FX. For zooms you can get little or no vignetting over at least part of the zoom range even in full FX. For most DX lenses with the alternate image areas….disabled on the Zs.

The best lens is the one you have with you.
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Aug 27, 2022 12:50:03   #
Bridges wrote:
#1 -- Never go anywhere where you will be taking shots that can never be replaced with only one camera. Mechanical failure is always a possibility however remote that might be. Dropping a camera, having one stolen, or getting a camera wet are all possibilities that could ruin your outing. Keep one of the cameras you have and get a z7ii. For the z8, you will have to stand in line behind me!


Of course I sometimes don’t forget my iPhone. And my wife more rarely forgets hers. Although, to one of your points, her previous one didn’t fare well when I dragged her into the ocean with it in her pocket. 🤪

An iPhone w multiple lenses is in my future and can serve as backup for most trips. So far GAS hasn’t prevailed there.
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Aug 27, 2022 10:44:56   #
Interested in thoughts about equipment selection and use. I currently own and use the Z6/Z50 pair and am considering replacing both with Z7, Z7ii, or upcoming Z8.

Some goals of change:

1. Higher image resolution to crop from…esp on FX camera w DX lens.
2. Downsize equipment inventory.
3. Eliminate need for xqd/cf cards…so I can edit without card holder.

One notable con: it is sometimes useful to me to have two bodies:

1. When traveling by auto keep 200-500 on Z50 for critters and 14-30 on Z6 for landscapes.
2. Backup when trip is primarily for photography.
3. Slightly lighter weight w Z50 for hiking.

I currently have excellent pairs of Z lenses for both: kit 16-50 & 50-250 for Z50 and 14-30 and 24-200 for Z6. Also use 200-500 w FTZ on Z50 for wildlife.

One thing that annoys me about the Z6 is that it only allows DX image area with DX lenses…and the DX image area is only about 10 MP. Z7s have same issue but at least the DX image area is 18MP.

Of course another option is to just trade the Z6 for one of the higher MP options.

Thoughts on options?
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Aug 26, 2022 11:54:55   #
For those who didn't like Unicorn: cloned.

Also enhanced in Lightroom and background darkened and blurred a bit.


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Aug 22, 2022 15:27:29   #
Couple more


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Aug 20, 2022 15:04:42   #
amfoto1 wrote:
I checked the embedded EXIF data two different ways and this was definitely shot at 1/200. That's why the bull and rider are blurred.

1/2000 is nearly impossible to shoot at night, under the lights, as this appears to have been done.

Below was shot in daylight, which made it possible to use a reasonably fast shutter speed of 1/800. Subject size, speed and lens focal length are all similar to your image. 2/3 stop larger f/5.6 was more than adequate depth of field, even though my subjects were much closer where DoF will naturally be shallower at any given aperture.

https://live.staticflickr.com/8323/8105759597_bfb718074b_o.jpg

Also notice that I oriented the camera vertically. Probably half my shots are vertical, half horizontal. Don't be afraid to rotate the camera, then use your zoom to better "fill the viewfinder" with your subject. (I don't fill the viewfinder too tight, so I can crop to standard sizes like 5:4 to make 8x10 prints, if needed.)
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Yes. The 1/2000 was left over from my previous BIF work in good light.
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Aug 20, 2022 15:00:11   #
amfoto1 wrote:
Your image was shot at 1/200.... not 1/2000.

When I first looked at it I thought the camera had focused behind the bull and rider. However, it is subject movement blur making them unsharp... not missed focus. There should have been plenty of depth of field at f/7.1.

You need a faster shutter speed. I don't know why you stopped down to f/7.1. You were at around 115mm with your zoom, so probably could have used f/5.6 (it's variable max aperture is f/4.5 at 50mm and f/6.3 at 250mm). That's 2/3 stop more light, which would have allowed around 1/320 shutter speed.

That's better, but still not fast enough. You should have used an even higher ISO. 1/12800 would have been another 2/3 stop increase, allowing shutter speed of at least 1/500.

Even better, but faster would be better. I might increase ISO another 1/3 stop to allow 1/620. However your image is 1/3 to 2/3 stop over-exposed, so probably could have been shot at 1/720 or even 1/800 with ISO 16000.

You will see digital "noise" with such high iSOs... but better that than blurred subjects!

Another challenge at events like this is separating the subject from the background. For this particular shot, right out of the chute the scene composition is nice and there's some appeal to having all the people in the background too. But if you study a lot of sports shots, it's more common to try to blur down the background. Iif you follow the action away further into the arena you may be able to get some background blur... though it will be limited with a zoom that maxes out around f/5.6. A longer focal length with f/4 or even f/2.8 would give better separation too. (I might have used my 135mm f/2 or 85mm f/1.8 lens!)

Or try shooting from a different angle where the background is less busy.

But mix it up... Some shots like yours, with a lot of background detail, can be nice too.
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You are right! Posted one after I went to A mode. Used AFC to help with movement but didn't quite get there.

Here is one of the many at 1/2000...and ISO 8000. Noise reduction, including Topaz, not so hot on these.

1/500 would have frozen most movement and reduced ISO (auto) to 2000, which the Z50 is pretty good at. Maybe next year.


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Aug 20, 2022 14:37:29   #
Boris77 wrote:
Picture too light now to look good. If you lightened the original then it should be easy to Start Over and bring it up carefully observing when your main subject looks best. However I usually stop when most of the image looks OK, duplicate to a new layer, modify until the rest is properly exposed, then erase back to the first layer to combine effects before flattening the image. Once I have the overall exposure looking good, I draw in edges to "sharpen" key elements needing improvement.
This ignores two things that may be important to you: I never care about all the background faces being clear, and I value the overall impression of the picture over noise degradation.
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I use the chart to guide the white and black points.
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Aug 20, 2022 08:28:57   #
Thanks for the inputs.

Yes, also should have used f5.6. The various critters move all around the arena requiring different zoom so upped it a bit to get the needed dof.

Pretty sure this was at 1/2000. I’ll check. I did do a fee at that and lower and they show motion blur.
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Aug 19, 2022 21:12:05   #
Attended the Caldwell Night Rodeo this week. This is one image I've worked on. This is to share a few learnings and ask for suggestions as to further editing and what to do next time.

Equipment: Nikon Z50 w 50-250
Settings: M, f7, shutter 1/2000, auto ISO w limit of 8000 (which it used on this photo)

Processing: Lightroom plus Topaz Denoise (older version). Had to increase exposure in Lightroom to get this.

Learning so far:
Shutter speed too high, causing it to use auto ISO max. Others, to process later, set to A model used much lower shutter speed (e.g. 1/200) and lower ISO.

I noticed as night came on my viewfinder was looking dark. I didn't know why. It was showing the exposure used! The shutter speed of 1/2000 (which I use for birds and left as is) and ISO limit of 8000 caused underexposure.


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