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Oct 15, 2018 11:15:15   #
Beercat wrote:
Probably a lighting issue between the ambient temp and the flash temp. I used only one-off camera speed light with a snoot from my right side and looking down a bit, Can I fix it? Sure but it doesn't change anything ...


I noticed the color temp and I would probably drop the reds for the midwest look, but I can embrace it for the California look :)
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Oct 15, 2018 07:50:08   #
Beercat wrote:
I did go back out this afternoon and shot a few more pictures of the couple now that I found the one programming error ....

A re-do of the first picture from yesterday .... face and the ring are in perfect focus, even a tiny starburst on the ring :)

Thanks for the help :)


Jerry, I am not able to get your Smugmug link to work, but wanted to comment on this picture you posted. For me it is one of the best engagement shots I have seen. Along with perfect exposure and focus her expression is very good (eyes smiling), the hands are posed very well, and yes you pulled off a little starburst on the ring.
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Oct 12, 2018 17:37:20   #
That is what it is all about. Good job catching that emotional moment. The family will cherish that photo.
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Oct 12, 2018 15:42:13   #
Beercat wrote:
This question came up over a year ago, probably 2 years ago and I answered the question and placed examples and a diagram of the setup.

I used a key, rim and fill setup. Works great even when using speed lights only. The key was shot through an umbrella and close to the dance floor, the rim was a speed light on a stand 180 degrees off axis to the key. I programmed the speed light to shoot at 105mm so the starburst would be nice. The fill was on camera. Key and rim where set yo manual, the fill was set to TTL usually -2/3 FC. You shoot at a 25 - 35 degree off-angle of the key.
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I am good using three speed lights, but looking forward to learning from the master regarding the use of studio strobes and "room lighting". I have an ulterior motive here. I do events in hotel venues where there are speakers in dimly lit rooms (big rooms). My speed lights don't have enough throw to provide proper illumination as I am staying out of the way behind the audience. OCF placed near them would be distractive and intrusive. Ah, maybe this "room lighting" concept would help tremendously. Perhaps firing one of my Bowens strobes into the back wall or into the ceiling combined with my speed light would give me the illumination I am looking for.
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Oct 12, 2018 14:35:17   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Mentor lesson #1 How to save money on lighting gear and still have great lighting possibilities.

Getting into "room: lighting" and other related methodologies shoud not require a big investment in the latest and greatest battery operated equipment- at least for starters. You 2 Bowens strobes, operated on AC power will do the job nicely. It takes a while to get used to the technique, as to lighting placement- you don't want to place the a stationary lights where they into you field of view and you have to determine the exposure settings to mesh with you on-camera light as to actual exposure and ratio. I recommend starting out with just one room light. The regular parabolic reflector that comes with the Bowens gear is good enough.

Battery powered units are certainly a convenience but most at most venues there is the availability of AC power that is only an extension cord away. You probably won't need full power on your room light(s) and recycling times shoud be pretty fast. Even at out-of-doors reception, there's usually some power available for general lighting and the DJ or band etc.

Depending on your position in the room, in relation to the room light(s) and the subject, the room light can act as a backlight kinda kicker at about 135 degrees to the camera/subject axis, a main light between 25 and 45 degrees or just as an extension of the on camera light to illuminate the background and remedy the "black hole" underexposed backgrounds that is typical of on-camera flash.

What inspired and interested me in this kind of lighting for weddings happened many years ago. One of my early mentors was a staff lab/lighting technician at Life magazine and also was in charge lighting projects. He lighted the interior of the New York Stock Exchange- the first shot that that allowed to be made while trading was ongoing. He taught me his methods. I also found out that those incredible basketball shots made by Sports Illustrated staffers, were not done with available ligh but with 2400 watt-second strobes placed above the stadium- up in the rafters. So- I just started to bringing my studio strobes to weddings and used them whenever possible. Nowadays, I mostly use the same monolights that I use for the formal portraits and groups. In some of the larger grand ballrooms, I secure permission to set up a few of my more powerful lights, the night before the gig. I grab a few 2400 watt-second units that I use for commercial work and set them up in the balconies.

I alwasy have an assistant- shooting a wedding single handedly is rough stuff, especially if you are going to offer more sophisticated lighting. My prices include the assistants' fees. There are benefits that the clients are willing to pay for- better lighting- it certainly shows up in the results, dramatic effects, plus my assistants have many other functions. Besides manning the lights, they make the coverage more efficient, less intrusive and more comprehensive by moving things around swiftly. My assistants are also second shooters so I don't need to try to be in two places at the same time!

Of course TIME and windows of opportunity for setup and takedown are major factors. At most of my wedding assignments, after the ceremony, there are usually long receptions- we are in for the evening and there is plenty of time to set things up. If it's the kind of job where we are running around from one place to another and there are no breaks, we just operate as a 2 person team- one on the camera and the other with a second speedlight on a monopod- my assistants are trained to position the light as needed.
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Thanks Ed! I think I get it. I will be doing some events before my next wedding so maybe there will be an opportunity to "room light". My biggest issue is that I am assistant impaired. I know poor excuse, but it is what it is. Ed, do you have a website or some examples of monolights at 135 degrees etc...?
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Oct 12, 2018 10:29:33   #
bkyser wrote:
Jerry, I was on the fence for that deal. As you know I just don't take advantage of TTL, so I was very interested in the same one that you got, the only thing that held me back was that I would have been using it in combination with my Yongnuo trigger system, and I didn't seem to find any info on the Nikon version if that transmitter had the pass through, so I could use both triggers. I know I could have just put a YN 622 receiver on the moonlight, but then I wouldn't have the capability of changing settings on it. The Nikon version of the 622 transceivers have pass through, but unlike Canon, the way you change the settings on the strobes from the transceiver is cumbersome and nearly impossible to do on the fly, so I rely on the 622tx, which doesn't have pass through.

With all that said, I'm still kicking myself, because that was an unbelievable deal. I'm hoping it comes around again near Thanksgiving. I'll probably just take the leap and figure it out later.

I am also looking forward to your review on the performance. Of course, you're ruining me, and making me think about going Sony every time I see one of those posts, so maybe I don't want a review.. HAHA
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Bob, the profoto B10 is exactly what we need. No matter how hard I try though I can't justify $1,500. However, you are rich because you have a lake house. Maybe you can buy us all one
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Oct 12, 2018 09:18:17   #
I like this image and thank you for stoping to capture it! As for critique and I don't like that word by the way. I originally thought that the image was a bit dark and could benefit from some dodging & burning, however upon opening the download I changed my mind. It looks just right for me. However, I clicked again to zoom a bit and I like the crop much better where the sagebrush is not so prominent in the foreground. Just peering over the top of the sagebrush into the rocks, into the lake, and into the sunrise leads me more into the image.
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Oct 12, 2018 08:02:26   #
Nice image. It makes me think of the contrast between traditional pews and the current ever present smartphone. I do the same thing if only to put my phone on silent.
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Oct 12, 2018 07:52:37   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Many photographers feel that speedlights and monolight are two completely different species, especially where wedding photography is concerned- what with fast shooting and mobility issues as major consideration in selecting lighting tools. There is, however quite a bit of overlap and integrated usages that can improve the quality of lighting in wedding photography.

Moonlights have been and still are part and parcel of my standard wedding gear since the 1960s when self contained studio-like strobes began to appear on the professional equipment market. Here's how I use them.

When working indoors, my moonlight, equipped with a 24” softbox is my 24/7 portable windows light for portraiture, full length and closeup formals and groups. I use my Pocket Wizard radios for synchronization. A simple setup consisting of the moonlight on a light stand and a flat (super silver) reflector can produce studio-like imagery whereby the monolight is the main source and reflector is the fill. Of course, with the modeling lamps on you can see and control the light exactly as you like it- no guesswork! I can easily move the main light from about 10° or 20° (from the camera subject axis for groups and butterfly lighting, to between 35° to 45° for loop and Rembrandt lighting respectively , to 90° for split light and as far as 135° for profile for rim lighting. For portraits I power down the monolight so I can use a wider aperture- usually around f/5.6 to about 6.3- with a full frame camera, I sue a focal length of between 70mm and 105mm and get good selective focus.

For full lengths and groups I use the monolight as a main source and fill in with my on-camera light. I can control the lighting ratio by varying the power of the fill light, using a light modifier or bouncing off a white ceiling. Again, you can adjust the light exactly as you like it. For groups, I power the system up so I can shoot at f/8 or f/11

In large venues, I use my moonlights as “room lights”. If there is a place of elevation such as a balcony or loft, I set the mono light up there- this time with the soft box removed and an ordinary parabolic reflector in place. I direct it so as to skim across the room and the shut off the modeling lamp. The I can work the room, the church, the dance floor etc with my on-camera light and the moonlight will provide a front, side or back light- depending on my position on the floor. This adds drama, texture and ambiance to all my candid shots and also provides depth of lighting to prevents “black hole” underexposed backgrounds. If the is no elevated position available, I can still set up the light somewhere in the room, in a non-trafficked area, on a 13 foot Manfrotto light stand. I lash it to something heavy or a pillar with a bungee cord. In very large rooms, I sometimes set up more than one room light. I expose for the room light(s) and control the ratio with my on camera light. I usually can shoot at one f/stop throughout the room so expose is no issue and I can shoot fast.

Of course, TIME is a factor. I do work with at least one assistant so they can set things up, oftentimes in advance, even before I get there. If there is no time for the setup, I simply work with on assistant with a second speedlight on a monopod until there is a break in the action and I have time to set things up.

I can still drag the shutter, when necessary to combine with ambient light as well.

Out of doors, I can either overpower, augment or fill the available light since my units have a wide variety of power settings.

I can use the modeling lights by themselves to augment candle light, lamp light or other incandescent sources.

The monolight with the soft box is also great for detail shots, flowers, rings, buffet setups and whatever you like.

I am not exactly familiar with the monolight you specify in your post so I am gonna Google it!. Make certain that it has variable power to accommodate a variety of apertures and has enough power to use with soft boxes, umbrellas or other modifiers and that the modeling lamp is strong enough, when bounced, to see exactly what you are doing. Most current monolights will qualify in all theses requirements. I use Photogenic Power-lights, mainly because I already have all kinds of them in the studio and have all the modifiers, snoots, barn-doors and reflectors in my equipment inventory. They have user-replaceable flash tubes and 250 watt quartz modeling lamps. They can also be used in bare-bulb mode.

Many of the guys and gals that I have mentored in this method use a variety of equipment successfully- Boens, Buff, Pro-Foto, Speedotron and many others.

OK- I looked it up- The FLASHPOINT 600 and is ideal for your purposes- indoors and out of doors! It will integrate well with your cameras as to shutter speed usage which is a big plus in daylight shoots...AND if the weather conditions are bad and you are forced indoors, doing a job that is all inside, or need to do your formals in a church or indoor reception setting, you can still produce great lighting. Great for outdoor night receptions as well! In my opinion, it's a good investment!

I hope this helps!
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Ed, your use of monolights was fascinating to read. I have two Bowens strobes that I use for the formal shots (large groups). I have often conceptualized the "room light" possibilities but the lack of assistants and speed of the events preclude me from taking that step. The other factor is that darn recycle time. If I need to use battery power then it is one thousand one, one thousand two .... one thousand eight, hold that expression, and then fire the shot.

There seems to be somewhat of a lighting evolution going on with Godox and Flashpoint leading the way (same thing). They are offering 400ws and above monolights/strobes with powerful batteries built in that afford almost zero recycle time at much lower costs (see Jerry's deal). They are also lighter and more portable. I have not made the leap yet, but these lights may reduce my excuses to venture into the Ed style wedding lighting. Just wish we were closer in proximity. You would find me on your doorstep with a sign that says "mentor me" :)
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Oct 11, 2018 21:48:56   #
Beercat wrote:
I bought one Explorer 600 $397 included a R2 on-camera transmitter. Also comes with a bag, reflector, diffuser, battery and charger. Can't go wrong at that price


Sounds like a great deal Jerry. However, the sale must be over. I cant find that price. Anyway, I am interested in a more powerful light primarily for the super quick recycle time they afford. Looking forward to your product review.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:09:19   #
travelwp wrote:
I find candid shots of people to be more interesting than posed shots.


Well actually I was just thinking without the microphone and without people around. I would attempt to pose them "candidly".


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Oct 11, 2018 08:07:45   #
Tjohn wrote:
Thanks. She is already off to seek the Hist Soc. for more detail on her 5th Great Uncle. She says to thank you very much, has connected to the historical society and hopes they can sort out the Leibs in Ohio for her. She is related to the Leibs who migrated to Montana.


Glad I could help! I knew there was a reason I decided to post that image.
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Oct 11, 2018 07:47:15   #
Tjohn wrote:
Who was D Leib? In Ohio I presume, but where? My wife has a Daniel Leib in Ohio about this time as part of here genealogy records. Please let me know what you can.


Wow, that is cool. He is buried in Greenfield, Ohio and from what I recall he started a mill in Greenfield and eventually died falling from the rafters of the mill. I will try to get the transcript for you or you can contact the Greenfield historical society. Here is Daniel's picture.


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Oct 10, 2018 12:58:25   #
Beercat wrote:
No .... the leader of the walk votes for one picture that was taken by all of us to enter. Then it goes to Kelby for entry against all the other winners of their regional walk.

But thank you


I went on a ghost walk the other night, but no contest to enter.


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Oct 10, 2018 11:55:45   #
Show off! No seriously, that is an awesome image. As for a smooching couple, it just looks too treacherous to pose them and not believable to add them digitally, but maybe there is a flat spot somewhere in there I am on Kelbyone. Is there a spot to vote for your image?
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