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Mar 6, 2017 21:45:39   #
wilpharm wrote:
i***t..there is no FDA in Canada...drug companies pay FDA to get approved but am sure that is above your level


He has a cognitive issue making connections.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:35:05   #
Keenan wrote:
Wrong. You are talking out of your arse. You sure like to make s**t up as you go along.

Drug prices in Canada are not being subsidized by us. The companies are making profits at Canadian prices. They just happen to be making massively high margins in the US because of their anti-competitive protectionism and monopoly practices. They have invested lots of $$$ to bribe Congress to keep this extremely anti-competitive monopoly pricing system within the US borders, which they protect by blocking the freedom of Americans to buy drugs from Canada and other countries. For someone who always claims to be on the side of freedom, you are strangely on the wrong side of freedom in this case.

Try again. You should actually do some research and inform yourself of reality, rather than just relying on dogmatic statements that you pull out of your arse while ignoring real world evidence some time.

Try it!
Wrong. You are talking out of your arse. You sure ... (show quote)


I invest in Pharmaceutical companies for a living.
So yes I know what I am talking about.
I own and have owned MRK,JNJ,PFE,MYL and many smaller pharmaceuticals.
I have no reason to lie or misrepresent anything.
I make money based on being objective, not emotional.
What I mean by subsidizing is this.
Japan controls the cost of drugs in their country. They just negotiated a price with BMY for OPDIVO.
Same with the EU. Japans cost is half what we pay here. The EU is a little better than here but not much.
These drugs get there later so they're not on the bleeding edge. People died waiting on OPDIVO in EU and Japan.
MRK now has Keytruda and will go through the same thing.
Our government does not set prices here so we pay more.
That is how we "subsidize other countries.
Now lets look at what happens when you set the prices here.
BMY will take a hit somewhere.
1) Employee pay.
2) Profits....If you look at how long it took OPDIVO to come to market and the cost 1 billion. That company has to recover the cost or go out of business.
3) New development of drugs.(Growth)
Something has to give.
Do you want to sacrifice the future to attempt to lower the cost today? Fewer developers developing new drugs.
Keep in mind that dividend payments come out of profits.
Profits are taxed at the corporate level and then some portion distributed to it's shareholder and then taxed again.
It is commonly known in the business world about what is called the "Double Taxation" of dividend payments.
In the end today BMY makes no more profit than say Hormel Foods.(Drawing equivalence from there Market Capitalization(Price of stock times it's number of shares outstanding)

When Clinton got in office he did to MRK what Trump did to all the drug companies. Both of them drove down the stock market prices based on what they said.
Clintons attacking MRK when he got in office caused a downturn in MRK's Market Cap(Stock Price) for several years.

This is the fundamental reason why no President has attempted to control prices.
Control of prices has been a line that no Democratic president has yet to cross here.

and then comes Bernie Sanders..........The socialist.

I assure you Price fixing won't work. Something will have to give.....
The easy solution is to deregulate to allow drugs not to cost so much by allowing them to come to market quicker.
You will actually k**l less people by doing this. The whole process speeds up.
I am only talking deregulation in the government sense.

Right now Trials are regulated by law.
If I had cancer and I wanted to risk my life with a drug for a chance at life I can't.
I should be able to voluntarily choose to be a test case if I want.
The real delay in drug approvals comes by waiting for the FDA to review and approve.....

Although this is scary for many we have a history to show why drugs are high.
When deregulation was less drugs came to market much faster.
I could give a history of thalidomide but won't. It wasn't introduce here but in England where ironically they had and FDA type structure.
The case of Deregulation in almost every Industry is very strong.

Both Canada, The EU and Japan as well as ever other country on earth are beneficiaries of our tax dollars to support our FDA.
We do the work(pay the taxes) they get the benefit.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:53:25   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Why is it you can buy same drug in Canada cheaper then.


Because we Americans Subsidize them. We pay more so they can pay less.
BMY is going to make there spread no matter what you do.
The only way to drive down prices effectively is to deregulate.
You bring drugs to market quicker and you also lower the cost.
Right now we are k*****g people by making them wait 12 years to get a drug....
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Mar 6, 2017 20:43:36   #
gmcase wrote:
From the beginning of history, the two antagonists have stood face to face: the creator and the second-hander. When the first creator invented the wheel, the first second-hander responded. He invented altruism. The creator –denied, opposed, persecuted, exploited –went on, moved forward and carried all humanity along on his energy. The second-hander contributed nothing to the process except the impediments. The contest has another name: the individual against the collective. Howard Roark in The Fountainhead, 1943
From the beginning of history, the two antagonists... (show quote)


Ellsworth Toohey,
The epitome of the quintessential collectivist.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:33:58   #
Wenonah wrote:
Where did I say any of that?


You didn't...That's just how his mind works.
He goes off....way off.....
Thank you for picking up the therapy session.
Time for me to rest for a while.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:30:34   #
John_F wrote:
Push back here.

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/tell-congress-pass-bernies-bill-to-lower-drug-prices?link_id=0&can_id=61feb3a670c1c1875bb7007aef53280d&source=email-sen-sanders-has-a-plan-to-lower-drug-prices&email_referrer=sen-sanders-has-a-plan-to-lower-drug-prices&email_subject=sen-sanders-has-a-plan-to-lower-drug-prices


Maybe you just should deregulate such that it doesn't take 12 years and three hundred million dollars to bring a new drug to market.
That's right.....Look it up......
So you pass laws that drives the cost up and pass more laws to correct the first laws.....
Hmmmmmm.
You better watch out. Those drug companies pay big taxes......Especially the big ones.
Less profit....Less taxes.....
You might want to compare the five year profits from Bristol Myer to say someone Like Kroger......
You might change your mind....
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Mar 6, 2017 20:19:37   #
Is there anyone else here that can take care of KKKENANS therapy session now?
Maybe he has had enough of Exposure therapy for tonight.
He needs to rest......
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Mar 6, 2017 20:13:05   #
KKKeenan wrote:
Why don't you enlighten the forum regarding which "KKK" you are using for your childish name-calling this time? Is it the homosexual reference or the Klan reference? I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell us which one you are using.


Oh yea I left one out.
Short term memory loss.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:10:44   #
Wenonah wrote:
He said "it would not work now" and he didn't say he wanted to take the country back to the 1800s. Read more slowly.


He only selectively reads....
Then he wacks out with the pen.
Issues you know.....
Internal conflict.
Borderline Personality Disorder.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:09:30   #
KKKeenan wrote:
"It's amazing it worked for the first 150 years of our country."

"Worked"? You want to take this country back to the 1800s? Yea, those were the good ol' days, weren't they?

Let's see...You and maybe 8 other people want to turn the clock back 150 years. Thank gawd 99.99% of the population don't think like you!

I mean, there's fringe. There's really fringe. And then there's you!!!

Makes total sense you are a Trump supporter...
"It's amazing it worked for the first 150 yea... (show quote)


Well I wasn't(I v**ed for Johnson) but you helped drive me to the otherside.
Everytime you write my side wins......
Please keep writing.
Thank you too.....
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Mar 6, 2017 20:02:03   #
DaveO wrote:
Bet he's more fun than Sun Tzu the Art of War. (Art of CA vs Art of War.)


Define Fun! LOL
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Mar 6, 2017 20:01:35   #
idaholover wrote:
Art was a pubic school teacher in California. But he ain't a bad guy! He knows beer!


LOL.
Everytime I see Arts post I keep thinking of Sun Tsu.
Then Tsu makes me think of Attila.
I'm stopping there for now.......
It must be Freudian.
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Mar 6, 2017 19:55:15   #
SharpShooter wrote:
Jeez, is that pure ignorance or what?
Zero tax, what the hell are you dreaming?
What percent of the work force in this country is H1b?
You're a pro Wiki dumpster diver, go ahead, dig it up!
You and Soba have friend that lost a job, this countries economy and labor force is not based on two friends. They are probably just s**tty employees. I too fire people when they can't perform!!
"Labor shortages are not a bad thing", that's pure stupidity!!
Hopefully we'll survive electing trump, but if we ever elect an opportunist, we will surely be F*CKED!!!!
SS
Jeez, is that pure ignorance or what? br Zero tax,... (show quote)


Well that was an intelligent response.
Two of the brightest IBM employees I knew.
No worries they got jobs, instantly.
Citi gave them no reason for termination.
IP told everyone they were outsourcing to India and had to find new jobs.
Everyone........
I told you zero "Income" tax would not work now.
It's amazing it worked for the first 150 years of our country.
I'm glad you think I'm stupid....I'm in good company.
Donald Trump is stupid too. He just cleaned the clock of 8 other republicans and the Democratic Queen.
Thank you......
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Mar 6, 2017 19:45:03   #
Art wrote'''''
The media could try to turn his supporters against him. The sk**led media should copy Trumpian strategies. Alternative Facts, vague references to sources, and emotional pleas need to be emphasized. The LSM needs to appeal to the fears, and suspicions of his supporters to gain their support. Once that is successful, perhaps an avalanche of action could begin, to remove him from office. I suppose. lol

Reverse that....
I thought Trump used the Media strategies of Alternate Facts, vague reference and emotional pleas"
Which came first the Chicken or the Egg?

Trump seems to be using the tactics of Attila the Hun and Sun Tzu.
Very effective in war and politics(apparently).

To win.....Examine your premise.
"If you know yourself and you do not know your enemy you will lose."
"If you know your enemy and you do not know yourself you will lose"
Paraphrased from Sun Tzu the Art of War.
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Mar 6, 2017 19:05:01   #
soba1 wrote:
It is, but what's even sadder, is the pompous asses here that are seemingly ok with it.


I think many are to busy looking at the ocean in front of them and never look around to know there is a forest fire at their back.
The people who are burned alive... they will never know.
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