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Nov 26, 2011 14:58:08   #
Did you use the highlighter tool for selecting the fronds from the background, or maybe the magnetic lasso?
Fstop12 wrote:
georgevedwards wrote:
At first glance I was impressed. I want to do things like that! How do you get the clouds in between the stalks and fronds? Do you just pop in the 3 photos and it does it automatically or is there an outlining method? On second glance the lighting of the foreground is a little inconsistent with the cloud tones...the clouds have bluish tone while the light hitting the ground is a warm, sharp, direct, light... Another possibility is to use a blue sky with some really interesting cloud effects, implying it is sunlight that is lighting the foreground which would be more consistent with the crisp shadows, a cloudy day would give more indistinct shadows. Again, remember to make the lighting angle for the clouds consistent, for instance clouds lit from the right would be inconsistent with the ground shadows lit from the left... Technically the blend looks great.
Fstop12 wrote:
The first photo are the shots that took in Perdido Key Florida and the second photo is my composited photo of the three. This is my first real attempt at doing more than 1 photo in a composite. Software: Photoshop Cs5,Nik Color Efex Pro.

Comments, Critiques, suggestions on how to improve, likes, dislikes are all welcomed on my post. I would ask that you don't post any of your photos or edits of my photo here.

Thanks
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George, thank you for your feedback and your lighting suggestions. As I am constantly learning in Photoshop, there are 60 different ways to arrive at the same place. I used a combination of selections(isolating parts of a photo and placing them onto their own layer), Blending Options, Layer masks, some dodging and burning, tonal contrasting, and sharpening.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:21:51   #
A female robot's boob?
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Nov 25, 2011 12:20:55   #
3Dean wrote:
heltonjkv96 wrote:
It's the dial on an adjstable wrench..

Yeah, I thought that one was too easy. :)

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One more, then I'll have to regroup and rethink my approach.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:19:22   #
Yes, they were obvious but keep trying! My inspiration to take photography courses in college came when the photography instructor came into our painting class, hung a photo he took on the wall and asked the class to identify it. No one could guess. It had me fooled, parts looked like outer space, but there were some details that looked like twigs...it was a closeup of a rusted machine in the woods, in black and white the dark rusted areas looked black like outer space, and small white specks of the surface looked like stars. I had been taking pictures before that, but it changed my whole outlook from then on, I signed up for his class and tried to do cropping of natural phenomena that made interesting compositions of abstract form, not just a depiction of an object.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:10:59   #
Personally I like the bird in there, it would be rather boring without it.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:08:11   #
At first glance I was impressed. I want to do things like that! How do you get the clouds in between the stalks and fronds? Do you just pop in the 3 photos and it does it automatically or is there an outlining method? On second glance the lighting of the foreground is a little inconsistent with the cloud tones...the clouds have bluish tone while the light hitting the ground is a warm, sharp, direct, light... Another possibility is to use a blue sky with some really interesting cloud effects, implying it is sunlight that is lighting the foreground which would be more consistent with the crisp shadows, a cloudy day would give more indistinct shadows. Again, remember to make the lighting angle for the clouds consistent, for instance clouds lit from the right would be inconsistent with the ground shadows lit from the left... Technically the blend looks great.
Fstop12 wrote:
The first photo are the shots that took in Perdido Key Florida and the second photo is my composited photo of the three. This is my first real attempt at doing more than 1 photo in a composite. Software: Photoshop Cs5,Nik Color Efex Pro.

Comments, Critiques, suggestions on how to improve, likes, dislikes are all welcomed on my post. I would ask that you don't post any of your photos or edits of my photo here.

Thanks
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Nov 25, 2011 04:04:34   #
Hey, be glad you are making money. Many of us out here would give our eye teeth (I don't know what eye teeth are) to be paid for taking photos, which we do for free on our own because we love it.
dirty dave wrote:
didn't think about it but yep I guess I am in a tuff spot and I can't make any money off of the pictures I have to give them to the person having the party I just get a fixed pay even tho it is a lot of money I sign a contract giving up all rights to the pictures they belong to them I can't even use any to promote my on bussness it kinda stinks after you think about it.
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Nov 22, 2011 00:38:14   #
I do belong to a local co-op(The Art Gallery of Fells Point)(googleable) so I speak from experience.
English_Wolf wrote:
georgevedwards wrote:
Pictures of turds?
Go back to page one and read about the 'caca' 'art phase' in 1914 in France. That picture, 'the turd' is 'a propos' and not taken seriously by anyone.

One the rest? I cannot fins ANY place in the US that does not have its local cooperative art gallery or local museum so, you are wrong there. Art is not where the 'artist and investors' claim to be but in those small places where the art is alive and reflects local life or location.

Just open your eyes and be amazed on how creative local painters and sculptors can be (as well as fine art photography). They just don't use their asses as their mouth unlike what we see in 'trendy galleries'.

My apologies for the severe criticism of your opinion but I am letting off steam because someone did rub the wrong way.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-12164-1.html#142973
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Nov 20, 2011 14:20:57   #
No wonder people don't respect art and art photography. I see on TV artists are always portrayed as buffoons. Like cans of Celery Soup lampooning Andy Warhol. I never liked him much either, but after years of study and seeing the Baltimore Museum of Art's collection of his work, I decided he is a good artist. (He was a conceptual artist too) To see art disrespected here makes me no longer question why I can't make a living any more and why photography stores, galleries, and art supply stores are disappearing.
Americans evidently have no aesthetic sensibilities.
Pictures of turds? Why do you people even bother making photographic images?
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Nov 19, 2011 02:01:22   #
I think Adobe brought it on itself, selling Photoshop as part of an expensive package. I have CS and it is like ten programs, nine of which I have no use for. Thats like saying if you need a quart of milk you must buy a ton of dirt with it. Not only do they overcharge for the milk, you a forced to buy something you have no use for. I have used limited versions of Photoshop and I need the full version. Again, people say it is a ripoff of Photoshop but Adobe is ripping us off. I have trouble using Gimp, I am already geared to Photoshop, but for new users who want to create but aren't rich, I say "Go Gimp!"
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Nov 19, 2011 01:53:43   #
Not everyone can afford the Ferrari (Photoshop).
Some people are addicted to greed. Maybe it is necessary for survival. Maybe someday in the future there will be no such thing as money. Remember Kirk and Spock getting on the bus and then off again immediately with Spock saying "
"What did he mean by exact change?" (no money in the 23rd century!) Science Fiction? Of course. But so was flying,space travel, wireless communication etc. etc.
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ch18, can you explain why there are so many on here who gafaw GIMP. Maybe they are afraid of being GIMPed. I have a number of programs on several computers and find some I prefer over others for different reasons. Go to this one for this and that one for that.
A friend is a professor at the local college and teaches PS. She says it is way more then what most need or will ever use. Classes have dropped off due to many reasons but she believes because of cost and the so called steep learning curve. One class runs 4 sem. -two years- and then students opt for the $25 sit in after completion to learn more. She is now learning GIMP because it is free and very powerful. So far she believes the average photographer needs no more then the software that came with their camera. Some advanced users need a little more like Elements, Corel and GIMP etc... Even though she loves teaching Photoshop and of course makes for a good income she believes only professionals selling their work should use PS. Her comment was, For the cost it should be an all in one program that was easier to navigate and included the plug-ins and Adobe gets you and other to do all the leg work and pay. She can't believe so many spend so much and even more in hours to learn to do what comes free with their new camera. That is why she is learning GIMP. Because it is powerful and FREE. There just may be a class on GIMP at a college near you. I am the owner of several expensive graphic design programs as well Elements 7 so I look at all this with open eyes and mind.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people spend $800 to $2,000 for a moderately-professional camera body, add multiple hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of lenses for a total investment of maybe $3,000 to $5,000, then moan and whine about buying THE top notch super powerful editing software to match it.

Is it that a tangible in-hand property made of plastic and metal and glass that you can touch and fondle and polish with a soft towel seems to be worth the absorbent price you paid for it, while software hiding on a hard drive seems like an intangible property worth next to nothing because it doesn't weigh a pound, you can't fondle it, nor create an original photographic file from what you see and want to capture?

Is PhotoShop more than most amateurs need? Yes. Is the learning curve steeper than most amateurs want to endure? Yes. Can lesser software packages do most of what amateurs want to do? Yes. Can freebie software from Korea handle what amateurs want? Probably.

But what does this say about what has happened to our society and photographers in general? Get it free, put out less effort, learn the least that you have to, find something that does the minimum required, maybe it can do it automatically so I don't have to learn anything at all...

This mindset extends into Guitar Hero instead of a real guitar because playing metal strings and finding the right frets is hard. You can push plastic buttons on Garage Band and think you're as good as Eddie Van Halen so why put out the effort to actually learn to play for real?

This mindset extends into MP3 file ripping and free distribution. It doesn't matter that the artist who wrote the songs and their record company spent $500,000 recording, advertising, and distributing the CD worldwide so the artist can make money from his/her product - the motto is now "screw them, I'm going to get it for free and listen to it until I'm sick of it without paying a dime plus give it to all my friends free too."

And into DVD movie ripping but that's even worse with multi-millions of dollars lost per movie.

All the time there are posters on UH who are whining about how many features their cameras have. "Why can't I just buy a simple camera?" is the question on the surface. The answer is that they can - an 18MP P&S for $139. But the real question hidden behind the asked question is "Why can't I spend more and get a camera that will do everything for me to accomplish an awesome professional output like I see in magazines and on TV without me having to do anything but push the shutter button?"

For that matter, what has happened to the logic of a college-level teacher who makes at least $25 an hour and probably more like $50 an hour teaching PhotoShop but is readily telling people about free GIMP which makes them not take the course on PhotoShop? Then says the class attendance is down. Duh... Doesn't this teacher realize that when someone gets something free that they aren't going to pay for training to use it? The value of the free product is zero so there is no intense desire to spend more than zero to learn how to use it! The student is addicted to free. If they're too cheap to buy full-blown Student PhotoShop CS5 for $165 to take a class (and they'd pay big bucks for the books to take any other class) they certainly will avoid paying for the class as well. This is just illogically talking yourself out of a job. Will the school pay her to teach a free software that anybody in the general public can download? I doubt it. I really doubt it.

I buy my MP3s from Amazon. I have played real musical instruments for 45 years and wouldn't have Guitar Hero in my house if it was given to me free (which is likely because it's discontinued now that the fad is over). I buy DVDs and Blu-Rays when I want them for myself and rent them from down the street when I don't. I pay to have what I want and I overpay if necessary for the best - not the cheapest crap or clone.

I tried GIMP and thought it was laid out badly and sucked. It had a learning curve just like anything else and I didn't want to waste my time learning something I didn't like and would have to endure. I bought, upgraded several times, and used PaintShop Pro for many years and I know for a fact that PhotoShop CS5 blows it away - although PaintShop Pro is a decent package. PhotoShop CS5 is the pinnacle of photo editing and that's where I'm staying.
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Nov 18, 2011 04:42:16   #
I downloaded Gimp but couldn't understand it right away. I use Photoshop CSIII and to me people who use "Elements" are like the "Gimp"people to the people who use "Elements". I think the problem I detect with people who don't like Gimp is that it is free. If it is free and it works for you more power to you. I detected a similar attitude in the shopping mall I used to work at. Judgments were made on the brand name and how much you paid for it. If you got something cheaper, you were frowned upon. Like the guy said functionality is whats important. (This girl came into the mall store, the other girl there started gushing over her purse. I didn't understand the fuss, it was just a simple, small, brown suede pouch, looked sort of like a fat mouse, but then I heard the name "Gucci" and "$350". Did you ever read the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes"?)
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Nov 18, 2011 04:22:34   #
This was the Picture of the Day on an other site, there were a bunch of namby pambies gushing over it, "Oh, it is so cute!"
after about 20 of these comments I got sick. Personally I like the pile of photos in the room better.

"Princess"

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Nov 18, 2011 04:17:01   #
I did not read every response, but I don't think anyone actually identified this as "Conceptual Art". I ran into this form of art in Grad School. I personally at the time did not like it, we were supposed to be painting majors and I could just not get with it, but the teacher who was head honcho wanted to be on the bandwagon with this "latest thing".
Basically, it means that the idea is more important than object, so you won't get a nice canvas to look at. It is not necessarily supposed to be visually aesthetic, which is the problem I had with it. But it did illustrate his "idea". Conceptual art to me was some kind of 'next evolutionary step' they were looking for, the last previous movement was minimalism, where you didn't get much to see at all. The next logical step was nothing to look at, all you have is the idea. The execution of the idea is not necessarily in the traditional form of art, but remember, it is not what you see, but what you think. You have to interact with this piece, walk on it and pick up and see what the little images are, pieces out of peoples lives. As an artist, I think it does have merit on this level, but if you expect a pretty picture (of the room full of pictures on the floor) you will not be given satisfaction. Remember, what you see is not the important part of the piece, it is what you think that the artist is concerned with, as you pick up one of those little snapshots from Facebook and imagine why it was important to that persons life. Only then does the pile have significance. Again, it is not necessarily the form of the pile as a visual object to be judged. By the way, I never made it through grad school, I had too many arguments with that teacher.
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Nov 17, 2011 20:32:13   #
Here is an example of extreme 'post production' alteration by putting a photo of the full moon through a program similar to photoshop but used to create digital paintings, usually with a graphics tablet. It also will process a photograph and make adjustments like impasto, among other things. I would tell more but it is a trade secret!

Full Moon Over the Chesapeake

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