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Mar 10, 2019 08:59:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I'm glad you found what works for you.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:12:55   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
jlg1000 wrote:
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open source software.

But I wanted to give a try on commercial software, so I tested and even purchased some products in the last couple of months.

Based on that, I'd like to share my experience.

1) Lightroom Classic CC / Photoshop CC

Right, It is a solid package but I felt it somewhat "domodeè": You get Lightroom, which is pretty fast, but it lacks many modern editing features like masks, layers and so on. The main idea is that you do basic developing and then go to Photoshop for some of the shots.

As an amateur photograph with THREE kids and THREE jobs, I don't have the time for that, so I let the try time wear off, and uninstalled the software.

2) Luminar 3

Whatever you do, DO NOT BUY THIS SOFTWARE.

REALLY, DON'T

EVER

It is buggy, very buggy... what is worst, Skylum believes that bugs are "features".

For example: lens correction doesn't work for Sony cameras, geometric transformations (horizontal level, perspective, etc.) don't affect masks (WHAA...!?), switching from a photograph to the next can take MINUTES, RAM can get exhausted and the whole PC can crash, etc.

I couldn't finish a single workflow... it crashes, hangs, freezes, goes to sleep, does strange things, etc.

Maybe, in a couple of years, Skylum will succeed in making work Luminar just right... or not.

3) ON1 2019.2

This package is great! It has everything you could want: layers, masks, AI, masks, preset, a damn good DAM, HDR merge, panorama merge, focus stacking... etc., etc., etc.

And etc.

And then, etc.

Only drawback I've found: it's a little slow... it takes about 2 - 3 seconds to switch photos. (Note: I have a high end engineering workstation with an i7-7200 CPU, 32 GB GDDR3 RAM, 2 TB SSD and a nVidia GTX 1060 GPU)

Nevertheless I've purchased ON1, and I'll be using it for most of my workflow.

Price: (limited time) $69 for 5 PC.

4) Capture One Pro 12

This software is FAAST!

Let me rephrase that... it is GODDAM F*K#NG FAA-AST !!!

I've found my self switching photos from a folder and doing micro adjustments to give them the same look, and there is no delay... NONE WHATSOEVER It is so natural that I even noticed that I was going back and forth with the photos from the same shootout.

As a test, I've done a 200+ photos PP (culling, adjusting, cropping, exporting) in less than ONE hour!

The export quality is also excellent.

Also the color adjustment features are unique.

Drawback: the DAM lacks HDR, Pano, etc...

I've also purchased this software, because of it sheer performance and color adjustment features!!

Tip: the Capture ONE Pro 12 for Sony is only for $109 for a limited time.

So from now on:

a) I'm using ON1 when I need to merge shots (HDR, Pano, etc.) and do fancy filter effects.
b) I'm, using Capture One when I want to develop develop a shootout very quickly with excellent results.

Hope this helps.

Best regards.
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open sou... (show quote)


Since switching to Sony I prefer Capture One Pro for Sony. I started with the free version for Sony, then purchased version 11 and upgraded when 12 came out. Some say its difficult to learn but I didn't find it any more difficult than other editors I tried and certainly easier than Photoshop.

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Mar 10, 2019 10:47:19   #
JackB
 
jlg1000 wrote:
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open source software.

But I wanted to give a try on commercial software, so I tested and even purchased some products in the last couple of months.

Based on that, I'd like to share my experience.

1) Lightroom Classic CC / Photoshop CC

Right, It is a solid package but I felt it somewhat "domodeè": You get Lightroom, which is pretty fast, but it lacks many modern editing features like masks, layers and so on. The main idea is that you do basic developing and then go to Photoshop for some of the shots.

As an amateur photograph with THREE kids and THREE jobs, I don't have the time for that, so I let the try time wear off, and uninstalled the software.

2) Luminar 3

Whatever you do, DO NOT BUY THIS SOFTWARE.

REALLY, DON'T

EVER

It is buggy, very buggy... what is worst, Skylum believes that bugs are "features".

For example: lens correction doesn't work for Sony cameras, geometric transformations (horizontal level, perspective, etc.) don't affect masks (WHAA...!?), switching from a photograph to the next can take MINUTES, RAM can get exhausted and the whole PC can crash, etc.

I couldn't finish a single workflow... it crashes, hangs, freezes, goes to sleep, does strange things, etc.

Maybe, in a couple of years, Skylum will succeed in making work Luminar just right... or not.

3) ON1 2019.2

This package is great! It has everything you could want: layers, masks, AI, masks, preset, a damn good DAM, HDR merge, panorama merge, focus stacking... etc., etc., etc.

And etc.

And then, etc.

Only drawback I've found: it's a little slow... it takes about 2 - 3 seconds to switch photos. (Note: I have a high end engineering workstation with an i7-7200 CPU, 32 GB GDDR3 RAM, 2 TB SSD and a nVidia GTX 1060 GPU)

Nevertheless I've purchased ON1, and I'll be using it for most of my workflow.

Price: (limited time) $69 for 5 PC.

4) Capture One Pro 12

This software is FAAST!

Let me rephrase that... it is GODDAM F*K#NG FAA-AST !!!

I've found my self switching photos from a folder and doing micro adjustments to give them the same look, and there is no delay... NONE WHATSOEVER It is so natural that I even noticed that I was going back and forth with the photos from the same shootout.

As a test, I've done a 200+ photos PP (culling, adjusting, cropping, exporting) in less than ONE hour!

The export quality is also excellent.

Also the color adjustment features are unique.

Drawback: the DAM lacks HDR, Pano, etc...

I've also purchased this software, because of it sheer performance and color adjustment features!!

Tip: the Capture ONE Pro 12 for Sony is only for $109 for a limited time.

So from now on:

a) I'm using ON1 when I need to merge shots (HDR, Pano, etc.) and do fancy filter effects.
b) I'm, using Capture One when I want to develop develop a shootout very quickly with excellent results.

Hope this helps.

Best regards.
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open sou... (show quote)



The last Luminar update was a boondoggle and failed to install. Had to uninstall and reinstall to get a good update. They never addressed this problem until several days after the update. The process caused all my presets to disappear and have not bothered to try to fix this problem. My emails to customer support went unanswered for several days then their response did not address my pre-set problems. In my opinion, if a software company does not have good customer support the software is worthless!

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Mar 10, 2019 10:54:41   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
Capture One Express for Sony is free as it is not the full package of what CO does. Capture One Pro 12 for Sony is the full package for only Sony cameras and you pay for that. However, you pay a lot for the full package for all cameras.

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Mar 10, 2019 11:04:04   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
Stopped reading when I got to your unnecessary language.

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Mar 10, 2019 11:40:29   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
jlg1000 wrote:
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open source software.

But I wanted to give a try on commercial software, so I tested and even purchased some products in the last couple of months.

Based on that, I'd like to share my experience.

1) Lightroom Classic CC / Photoshop CC

Right, It is a solid package but I felt it somewhat "domodeè": You get Lightroom, which is pretty fast, but it lacks many modern editing features like masks, layers and so on. The main idea is that you do basic developing and then go to Photoshop for some of the shots.

As an amateur photograph with THREE kids and THREE jobs, I don't have the time for that, so I let the try time wear off, and uninstalled the software.

2) Luminar 3

Whatever you do, DO NOT BUY THIS SOFTWARE.

REALLY, DON'T

EVER

It is buggy, very buggy... what is worst, Skylum believes that bugs are "features".

For example: lens correction doesn't work for Sony cameras, geometric transformations (horizontal level, perspective, etc.) don't affect masks (WHAA...!?), switching from a photograph to the next can take MINUTES, RAM can get exhausted and the whole PC can crash, etc.

I couldn't finish a single workflow... it crashes, hangs, freezes, goes to sleep, does strange things, etc.

Maybe, in a couple of years, Skylum will succeed in making work Luminar just right... or not.

3) ON1 2019.2

This package is great! It has everything you could want: layers, masks, AI, masks, preset, a damn good DAM, HDR merge, panorama merge, focus stacking... etc., etc., etc.

And etc.

And then, etc.

Only drawback I've found: it's a little slow... it takes about 2 - 3 seconds to switch photos. (Note: I have a high end engineering workstation with an i7-7200 CPU, 32 GB GDDR3 RAM, 2 TB SSD and a nVidia GTX 1060 GPU)

Nevertheless I've purchased ON1, and I'll be using it for most of my workflow.

Price: (limited time) $69 for 5 PC.

4) Capture One Pro 12

This software is FAAST!

Let me rephrase that... it is GODDAM F*K#NG FAA-AST !!!

I've found my self switching photos from a folder and doing micro adjustments to give them the same look, and there is no delay... NONE WHATSOEVER It is so natural that I even noticed that I was going back and forth with the photos from the same shootout.

As a test, I've done a 200+ photos PP (culling, adjusting, cropping, exporting) in less than ONE hour!

The export quality is also excellent.

Also the color adjustment features are unique.

Drawback: the DAM lacks HDR, Pano, etc...

I've also purchased this software, because of it sheer performance and color adjustment features!!

Tip: the Capture ONE Pro 12 for Sony is only for $109 for a limited time.

So from now on:

a) I'm using ON1 when I need to merge shots (HDR, Pano, etc.) and do fancy filter effects.
b) I'm, using Capture One when I want to develop develop a shootout very quickly with excellent results.

Hope this helps.

Best regards.
As I stated before, I'm a big fan of free open sou... (show quote)


I found that Affinity Photo has worked great for me but good for you in finding ones that suite you!

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Mar 10, 2019 12:18:32   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I'm a Lightroom/Photoshop user. I don't have time to try out other software because (1) LR/PS works for me and (2) it generally takes me more than a 30 day trial to get me familiar enough to evaluate some piece of software.

No, LR does not have layers and pixel level editing. It comes close with some tools but it's not PS. PS has a significant learning curve.
LR also has a learning curve, but (in my opinion) the editing part is pretty intuitive (for what it does). The reason I use LR is for the organizational aspect of the software. Once I exceeded 10,000 images in my photopile I found it necessary to have help in locating things I wanted to go back to. LR makes it easy to add keywords for searches and allows you to group photos in collections without duplicating files.

If you're an amateur with a low frame rate, it's probably not necessary to have the organizational tools. But with age, my memory becomes more completely digital.
I'm a Lightroom/Photoshop user. I don't have time ... (show quote)


I often read what you have written about Photoshop's learning curve, and I generally don't find that to be valid. Most people who learn PS only spend the time to learn the thing that they want to do, and most of the time it is neither difficult nor time consuming. The bigger issue is learning what you can do with Photoshop - which is essentially anything your imagination can come up with. The actual learning curve is not the software but how the software can help improve a picture, which corresponds to a photographer's individual quality standards.

I have seen tons of pictures, here, and with my students work, where the shooters are content with their results. Hell, I have looked at digital images I took 12 yrs ago that I thought were outstanding. But based on my current criteria, either need extensive work to make them better, or are better off being sent to the trash bin. It's like getting new, bigger hard drives.

But the point I am trying to make is that the majority of what photographers need and use photoshop for are very mundane and easy to accomplish tasks, though if you want to do a full fashion retouch on a head shot, you can work up several dozen layers and do all sorts of adjustments using selections and masks, etc and spend up to 2 hours per head - and that would take a significant commitment. I really don't personally know any complete expert in PS, though I have seen some outstanding work by photographers that have invested the time to learn what they need to know to do what they want to do - and it's not all that bad.

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Mar 10, 2019 12:26:25   #
LouieP Loc: Sebring/Avon Park, FL area
 
Thank you so much for the evauationd and reasoning behind them. Very helpful information to this armature.

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Mar 10, 2019 12:37:16   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
In January of this year, I moved to Capture One for raw processing and exposure/color corrections. (I have a Canon 5D3.)
For the heavy editing - I use Affinity Photo.
The handoff between Capture One and Affinity is very good. I think Affinity is better in some ways vs. Photoshop - not as good in some others. I've only been using it for about 3 month.

I still have LR6 and CS6. After I switched to Capture One and Affinity, I stopped using them both. I do miss the ease of LR exports to Smug Mug. I think LR & PS are the second best choice for what I am doing.

I tried Luminar - there was no hand off to Photoshop - so that's a no-go for me. ON1 kept crashing on my system. (PC)

All of these software packages have a learning curve. My transition to Capture One and Affinity was faster as I already knew Lightroom and Photoshop. There are lots of tutorials on most of these packages. I have dual monitors. On one screen I run the software, on the other screen, I run the tutorial.

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Mar 10, 2019 12:49:53   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I often read what you have written about Photoshop's learning curve, and I generally don't find that to be valid. Most people who learn PS only spend the time to learn the thing that they want to do, and most of the time it is neither difficult nor time consuming...


Different people experience a different degree of difficulty with Photoshop. If you're starting without the concept of layers it's probably a significant learning curve.

But it's probably true that many people learn a thing or two that makes them happy and stop there.

I consider that PS has a learning curve because I'm still learning things I can do with it. Maybe that's my limitation, but I try to push the envelope sometimes just because I feel that it's good to be in danger of learning something. It's true, that the things I learn may not be something that I will use a lot, or even more than once, but learning in itself is worth doing just to keep that process possible, particularly as I age (and I admit that sometimes I have to do some re-learning).

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Mar 10, 2019 13:13:20   #
ronaldwrightdallas
 
just for further information. you did not mention managing your library of photos. maybe your don't need that yet. but if you continue taking photos, eventually you will forget when you took what photo and will look for a cataloging program. this was why I originally got into lightroom. before it was an awesome editor of photos that did not alter the origional photo at all.

Not saying you should use it. but it is excellent at cataloging photos and excellent at 95% of the things you want to edit a photo for. with only one application to learn. photoshop is nice, but complicated for me and I only use it for 2 or 3 things a small percentage of the time.

since I have never used capture I have zero knowledge of that software so have no comment on it except that many people seem to like it.

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Mar 10, 2019 13:26:41   #
Mr.Ft Loc: Central New Jersey
 
X2 on Affinity, works great for me.

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Mar 10, 2019 14:22:17   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Thanks....your enthusiasm is contagious and now I want to go buy that stuff......again.

I always enjoy reading these reviews and then the responses from the regulars ,here as they rehash it through and through. But it never gets boring to me and only reinforces my beliefs in their words and warnings.

I am very grateful for your diligent work and reporting-back to the flock and I appreciate your efforts'
Well Done.

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Mar 10, 2019 14:57:30   #
bonjac Loc: Santa Ynez, CA 93460
 
Thank you, well done. I appreciate your effort and time to share what you have learned with the rest of us.

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Mar 10, 2019 15:01:40   #
bonjac Loc: Santa Ynez, CA 93460
 
ronaldwrightdallas wrote:
just for further information. you did not mention managing your library of photos. maybe your don't need that yet. but if you continue taking photos, eventually you will forget when you took what photo and will look for a cataloging program. this was why I originally got into lightroom. before it was an awesome editor of photos that did not alter the origional photo at all.

Not saying you should use it. but it is excellent at cataloging photos and excellent at 95% of the things you want to edit a photo for. with only one application to learn. photoshop is nice, but complicated for me and I only use it for 2 or 3 things a small percentage of the time.

since I have never used capture I have zero knowledge of that software so have no comment on it except that many people seem to like it.
just for further information. you did not mention... (show quote)


Asset management is becoming an issue for me and I am wondering what software is available for that function? We talk a lot about post processing but not much about asset management.

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