chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

Z6 or 7 *not* bulk. Slick.

BBG

I will likely keep my D90 for backup.

BBG

To all that posted and offered me guidance......I greatly appreciate the input and will evaluate all recommendations. Thank you all!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

BBG - if you click on Quote Reply - part of their message comes up, and then everyone can see to whom the response is directed … okay?

BTW, BBG - whilst the D750 and D500 are both quite a bit bigger than the D90 you've been using - the new D7500 is lighter than its predecessors, and might be just the ticket for you - approx. the same size as D90.

Also, I don't know if this is a concern for you, but both the Fuji X-H1 and the Sony a6500 - sport 5-axis internal stabilization. This may be something you might want to consider, also …

BBG

Thanks for the input. I’m currently researching the Fuji X-T30 and the Sony a6400. Lens stabilization might be adequate, right? Nikon in camera stabilization is limited from what I have seen.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I did see the others. Of course I didn't see who submitted the post as the titles didn't appeal to me, no offense meant. I often wish there was a way of seeing, on a daily basis, who submitted the post as well as the title. There are a few people who submit the exact same photos of their subjects every day. I have nothing against those people and they have a huge following. I just am not into seeing the same thing every day. If the title was listed and the author we would all have a chance to not waste time on those threads. I hope that makes sense.

You mention the APSC cameras. I have to admit that I was always a film shooter. When I started with a digital camera it was a Nikon D70 as I recall. I took thousands of photos with that camera before I ever realized that there was full frame. As film was all the same size, except for the old half frame, (I am talking about 35mm here) I assumed that digital was the same size as well. When I bought a newer camera it was the D800. I do see the difference but I honestly think that the APSC cameras would really suit at least 95% of the people who purchase cameras.

Dennis

chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

...in-camera on the Z's is amazing...but I see where you're going, and it's not full frame.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Yes, I think you're right, there, Dennis … in fact, when the transformation was made from 35mm to DSLRs - most of them were, in fact - the smaller APS-C/DX format. I guess Canikon felt the public would never go for the heaviness and hugeness of the larger body required to hold all the electronics and extra glass of a full-frame digital. But, as time went on - there was a clamoring for the larger format, so Canikon finally caved in, and gave the smaller mass what they wanted. In fact, they wound up with a better deal, as the image from a 24x36 sensor - is actually bigger than the image created on 35mm film - as that size also incorporated the film sprockets, top and bottom. Not sure about that smaller mass only being 5% tho' - as there are quite a few FF enthusiasts on here, and I suspect they represent more than 5%. And, then, of course - you have the MFT crowd, and the 1" fans, and the bridge enthusiasts, and then there are the MF diehards, and even a couple who'd never part with their 4x5s (me, included.)

On the Topic Posts - I'd not realized there were some who posted the same thing every day. But, I must admit, about a year-and-a-half ago, I did see a similarity between a lot of daily posts. So, I started putting up two new Topic Posts, daily - and this went on for about six months, until the snow-storms last March - forced my absence, for a month, whilst I waited for the Phone Company to restore service, and just after they did - we had that Macro-Burst on May 15th, and I lost service, again, for another month. After that, it was difficult to get back into the swing of things. But, I still did post one or two, from time to time. More recently, I tried to get back to doing two per day, but there were so many negative responses, I just gave up. As far as authoring of Topic Posts - there are some here who've told me - they always know when they're mine - because of the way they're worded. That's interesting to me. I guess I have a style to my writing - which is even visible in Topic Post titles. As far as showing the author, side-by-side with the title - in the Daily Digest - perhaps that's something you should suggest to Admin. To tell you the God's Honest - that would probably help a very few - those who like the topics I write about, and those who like the way I respond. But, there are another whole sect here, who, undoubtedly - would avoid such-bylined Topics - like the plague. And, then, there are others, who'd come to visit them just to heckle me.

But, I'm pretty sure you're right, Dennis - most folks on the planet would be perfectly happy with the images they produce with APS-C DSLRs. Fuji, apart from their MF models - have only produced APS-C cameras, of late. A few years ago, they had some FF models, which used a Nikon F mount - but they finally discontinued that line. It doesn't seem to've hurt them much. They seem to be doing very well with their X line. The X-T2, and the newer X-T3 - have been getting raves. And, MFT models - from both Panasonic and Olympus - have also accumulated a great deal of followers, and they're half the size!!!!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Except for the new Z6 and Z7 MIrror-less cameras, no Nikon DSLRs employ in-body stabilization. The Z series, does, however, and it's the 5-axis kind. My understanding is IBIS is preferable in cameras, where most of the use, is with lenses shorter than 300mm. But, In-Lens Image Stabilization is preferable when using long Tele lenses. Ideally, of course - is those camera and lens combinations, which can employ both. Currently, only Olympus cameras actually bring that to a successful conclusion, and only with two or three of their own ILIS lenses - and only when used in conjunction with their second-generation models - the E-M1X, E-M1 II, E-M5 II, and E-M10 II and E-M10 III. Panasonic also claims the same for some of theirs, too. I am not sure how well this works with Nikon's new Z series. As to whether lens stabilization is adequate - that depends on your usage. If most of your shooting is done with tele lenses - yes. But, if you find you usually shoot short-range stuff - you might want to consider IBIS - especially the 5-axis kind.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Good Sunday Morning Chris,

Of course my 95% figure was made up since it would be almost impossible to give a number of people who could use the APS-C cameras and have no idea if it might be full frame or not. I think some people, me included, for some reasons would be just as happy with the smaller frame size. I like full frame because I can effectively use older Nikon lenses and I believe the cameras/lenses are built for harsher use. I also think there is a better picture quality of course, at least the potential for a better quality picture. One of my best friends was a professional photographer so I do have to admit that his influence on me steered me to full frame as well.

Nothing surprising about people recognizing your writing style. We all have a certain writing style, words we use, punctuation we use, topics we have interest in and so on. I am not saying I could read one of your posts, unnamed and immediately think, Chris wrote this one. But most likely some could and I might be able to recognize it.

The last time I wrote something to Admin I received a note back saying he/she/they were too busy to even read my letter. I guess Admin is pretty busy taking care of all of us to keep the place running smoothly.

Dennis

Shutterbug57

Wrong. I have a D500 and an X-T2. There is a significant size and weight difference between the two.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Yes, I suppose you're right, Dennis. Many of us do have a particular writing style, but, as to whether the thousands of folk who use this site, every day, can pick out the different authors, based on titles, alone - I do suspect that's a little far-fetched. Even so, I do have one or two fans who've made that statement.

Admin gets very many requests for help every day. They may not always answer, but, they usually do, given time. I've found - in most instances, they've been very helpful. Possibly, more frivolous enquiries - may receive the kind of answer you've described. However, this is the first I've heard of this. Sorry.

Back to the format size thing now … many folk here at UHH are FF users, and swear by the better quality they get from FF. And, then - there are many others perfectly happy with APS-C sensors, and so they should be. The majority of folks in the world use it, and wouldn't dream of switching. Then, there are others - who use multiple formats, and know how to eke the best performance out of each. And, there are still others, who have had FF equipment, and have either sold it, or traded down - in many cases - to MFT - skipping APS-C altogether. And many of those are perfectly happy with the 110 Film-sized images. For me - I think the best compromise is APS-C. Most bodies and lenses for this format are affordable, and the weight issue only becomes a problem when you start looking for a good telephoto lens. If you need something beyond 400mm - then, you need to prepare yourself for the additional weight, along with the additional expense. And, if you use FF - then those added factors, are multiplied. And, even - going the other way - to MFT - you have the same additional expense to contend with, if not - the weight. To each, his or her own. If you can manage the weight and expense issues - go for it. But, if EITHER one is a problem for you - either stay with - or go to - APS-C - the best compromise of quality, weight, and cost!

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Doesn't it depend upon what each of us considers significant. When hunting I carry a 10 pound rifle equipped with scope and sling. My friend carries a 7 pound rifle equipped the same way. He says his is too heavy while I think my rifle is a nice size to carry all day. So is there a significant weight difference? Not to me but to him there is. Cameras are the same. The weight difference depends on who is carrying the load.

Dennis

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

The Nikon D500 is the largest and heaviest of the Crop Sensor Cameras. The Canon EOS 7D Mk. II - the comparable equivalent in the Canon line - is not the same, weight-wise or size-wise. Yes, it's bigger than the next one down - the EOS 80D, but it's about the same size as the smallest Canon FF - the EOS 6D Mk. II. If I was considering one of these three, I'd go for the FF - not only is it less expensive, and smaller than the D500 - you also get into the larger format - quite a plus! … Although the D500 is an extremely capable camera - the sheer size of it, plus the added weight - are two good reasons to stay away from it.
The Fuji X-T3 is an entirely different kind of camera - first, off, it's mirrorless, second, it's virtually a compact, but with the added distinction of being an ILC. Personally, there's NO contest between the two.
If you're looking for a light and small camera with extraordinary capabilities, inclusive of a 26MP sensor - so far, the ONLY APS-C to go that high - go for it. But, if you have an extensive set of Nikkor glass, and don't mind the extra weight - pick up a D500 for about another $500 more than what the X-T3 will cost.

As for the proportions, Dennis - of muscle and brawn - to the weight of whatever it is, you choose to carry - be it a camera, or a rifle - I agree with you - everyone has to make the decision of what fits them best. Weightwise - I'd probably be quite happy with an X-T3, except for the absence of the reassuring SLAP of a mirror - which is why I tend to stay with DSLRs. But, I don't think I'd ever pick up a D500, either. I might go for a D7500 however. But, I suspect a 77D is more my speed. And, if I wanted to go higher up the Canon line, I expect I'd skip the EOS 80D and the EOS 7D Mk. II, and go straight for the FF EOS 6D Mk. II. Still thinking about it. As you say, Dennis - you should go with whatever device best fits YOU!!!!