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Feb 26, 2019 21:41:42   #
augieg27 Loc: Central California
 
Try the free Faststone.
I'm not a professional so, it does everything good enough for me.

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Feb 26, 2019 21:53:00   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rfar34687 wrote:
The comments were to put my point in perspective, and no fiction was used, all are facts, you may disagree with them or not, but that will not make them any less true. Yes, you said it yourself, you use more advanced editing software when you want or need over processed results. But for the average photographer out there with thousands of dollars worth of equipment and no knowledge on how to exploit to the max, Adobe is simply a waste of money. Now, if you want to combine a natural photography with artificial scenes objects etc. Then yes, Lightroom and Photoshop become essential. But for processing a raw file into a very high quality and well balanced JPEG, Nikon's Capture NX-D should suffice. I do not consider Photoshop produced images circuling out there to be the ultimate images like some may claim, that's like scanning a Picasso and digitally enhancing it and calling Photoshop the better artist. In my opinion, photography business is dead, you may shoot a wedding and make a few thousands, but how many weddings do you a really do in a month?? Today, a YouTuber sitting in front of a camera explaining that this camera is better than the other because it can do something the other can't when it reality what sucks is you and not the camera you use, eventually will be making a lot more money (steady income) than the guy who was shooting since the time of film cameras and has thousands of weddings on his favor.
Back to the original post, and the original question, if you just need a raw image processor to convert your best images to a more sharable format, Nikon's simplicity and output quality surpasses Lightroom. Of course, professional post processing involves a lot more than the image converter, high quality calibrated monitors, professional lighting and equipment, a powerful computer and much more are essential as well. But taking in consideration that many folks these days process images in a MacBook, everything else is self explanatory.
The comments were to put my point in perspective, ... (show quote)

Since you did not use the Quote/Reply feature I can only assume you were responding to my post. First, I never said or implied "you use more advanced editing software when you want or need over processed results. ". You actually implied that in your post and I strongly disagreed. I don't use Adobe products myself, much preferring DXO PhotoLab, but for you to suggest that Adobe software is a waste of money and that Nikon;s Capture NX-D software is all that's needed just shows a lack familiarity and experience with full featured software. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but they are merely your personal opinions based on poor assumptions about what the higher end post processing programs are intended for and what they can accomplish in the right hands.

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Feb 26, 2019 22:11:31   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Phil Martin wrote:
WTF? Is Affinity Photo somehow anathema to the UHH world? This is an eminently affordable and totally effective alternative to Adobe Photoshop! There appears to be something screwy going on in the hog pen.

I don't believe "Affinity Photo is somehow an anathema to the UHH world". There are many here that use it and many others like myself who don't personally use it but are familiar with it and its strengths and low cost. Whether or not it's a "totally effective alternative to Adobe Photoshop" is a question I don't want to debate here, but I will say it has a lot of very positive attributes. Strictly as a raw processor though its features and tools are lacking compared to Lightroom, ACR, DXO PhotoLab and Capture One Pro 12.

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Feb 26, 2019 22:54:25   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
gvarner wrote:
What RAW editors are available beside Adobe Camera RAW and how do they compare? Some camera brands ship a RAW editor with their new cameras. How do these rate? Thanks for your input.


I use Corel Aftershot Pro, and am extremely happy with it

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Feb 27, 2019 02:27:28   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tcthome wrote:
I have never used the software that came with my Nikon. Capture 1 gets great reviews.


Manuf' software always does a great job of rendering raw images, because the Manuf has the "secret sauce" recipe. All other sellers of raw software rendering programs have to reverse engineer the decoding alogrithm. Manufs software will also allow you to utilize some features that are in the camera during the "development" of the raw image. The down side is Manufs softwares tend to be clunky and crash prone, and the interfaces are each unique. So using multiple camera brands means learning multiple brands of softwares.

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Feb 27, 2019 03:29:38   #
rochephoto
 
one gets for they pay for... PhaseOne might be a little bit more expensive but it is by far the most powerful raw processor out there with the best features and workflow. the upgrades are not yearly and you can do fine without them. Most of the pro-sumers on this site will switch and/or buy up their gear in a heartbeat, yet a really good raw processor will get them a lot further down the road than a new camera body or lens and it's a lot cheaper....

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Feb 27, 2019 08:45:56   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
Two open source (read free) are RawTherapee and DarkTable. Both are very high function compared to the software shipped with your camera.

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Feb 27, 2019 09:42:46   #
rodder
 
That might be true for the newer cameras but working with an ipad and using a lumix FZ300 I tried many editors photoshop and lightroom included but none accepted the lumix raw accept Photos and Pixelmator. I am not satisfied with this and would love to find a way to avoid Jpeg altogether.

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Feb 27, 2019 14:26:09   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mwsilvers wrote:
While my raw editor of choice is DXO PhotoLab Elite, I agree with you overall assessment.


I like DXO a lot - been a user since version 4.

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Feb 27, 2019 14:31:04   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) is built into Adobe Elements, Lightroom and Photoshop.

It's a separate module in Photoshop, known as "Bridge" and can be updated separately from the rest of the program.

It's integral to both Elements and Lightroom. The entire program has to be updated, in order to update ACR.

Basically, it works the same in all three.

I used the Canon software in the past with higher ISO images, when earlier versions of LR and PS weren't very good dealing with image noise. But the last couple version of both LR and PS do well, so I've stopped using the Canon software and haven't bothered updating it in years. It's not as efficient as LR and PS (or Elements for someone who doesn't need the commercial/pro-oriented features of PS).

Also, at times I need to work with images from cameras other than my Canon. For example, I hired 5 or 6 2nd shooters for a large event: two used Canon gear, but others used Olympus, Pentax and Nikon gear. Working with all of our images was no problem with Lightroom (and would be possible with other programs too, such as Luminar, On1, Corel, etc.), but would not have been possible with any camera maker's own software... it only works with their own cameras. We took upwards of 20,000 images at that three-day event. It would have been a real nightmare to try to work with those images in a bunch of different programs. It was a big job, but "doable" in Lightroom.

There also are a lot of "plug-ins" available for Elements, PS and LR.... to supplement their capabilities. I have a number of these installed... For example I use advanced NR plug-ins (Nik DFine and Imagenomic Noiseware) in PS.... and a couple uploading/web gallery management utilities in LR. I'm not using it, but know there are some plug-ins available for Elements, too. You won't find much in the way of plug-ins for the various camera makers' software. I don't know what's available for non-Adobe software, since I'm not using any of it.
Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) is built into Adobe Element... (show quote)


ACR ≠ Bridge. Bridge is a file browser, ACR is a raw processor/converter.

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Feb 27, 2019 14:57:50   #
rodder
 
Gene51 wrote:
ACR ≠ Bridge. Bridge is a file browser, ACR is a raw processor/converter.


thank you

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