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Feb 14, 2019 14:51:57   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frank T wrote:
Worth the time to read it:

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11 hrs ·
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Worth the time to read it: br br Image may conta... (show quote)


I rate any President by the following metric. Is the country better off now than when he took office, and how much of it is a result of his policies. I don't have to "Like" him, as I am not living with him. So by those measuremants Trump is doing just fine as a president.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:03:47   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
boberic wrote:
I rate any President by the following metric. Is the country better off now than when he took office, and how much of it is a result of his policies. I don't have to "Like" him, as I am not living with him. So by those measuremants Trump is doing just fine as a president.


Obviously, I disagree with you.
If we lived in Russia and worked for Putin. I would agree. Russia is better off today than it was before Trump.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:15:40   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Frank T wrote:
Worth the time to read it:

Image may contain: 2 people, closeup
Occupy DemocratsLike Page
11 hrs ·
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Worth the time to read it: br br Image may conta... (show quote)


OK, but other than that?

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Feb 14, 2019 15:15:44   #
EyeSawYou
 
Frank T wrote:
Worth the time to read it:

Image may contain: 2 people, closeup
Occupy DemocratsLike Page
11 hrs ·
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Worth the time to read it: br br Image may conta... (show quote)


Lol Fake news source Occupy Dumbocrats? LOLOLOLOLOL

Occupy Democrats


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A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate Occupy Democrats Questionable due to extreme left wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well the publication of fake news as evidence by numerous failed fact checks.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:17:43   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Bloody well right. Pity!


Was that a British imitation, or do guys speak that way up there too? It's not important, I was just curious.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:21:17   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LWW wrote:
I read it, I read a lot.

From your history I’ve never known you to read other than picture books.


Now I'm intrigued. How do you know what Frank reads or doesn't read? Is this some superhero ability of yours? You've been ragging Frank about superheroes, but I haven't heard him claim any special powers, such as those you frequently claim.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:22:14   #
wooden_ships
 
Frank T wrote:
Worth the time to read it:

Image may contain: 2 people, closeup
Occupy DemocratsLike Page
11 hrs ·
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Worth the time to read it: br br Image may conta... (show quote)


Excellent post Frank! I especially like how well he detailed trump’s persona and how his supporters feel comfortable with his egregious faults and behavior (much to the chagrin of the majority of Americans).

It’s an added bonus that it made LWW attempt yet another deflection by instigating a pissing contest; his “go to” strategy when “read a book” doesn’t apply.

Well played indeed!

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Feb 14, 2019 15:25:05   #
wooden_ships
 
boberic wrote:
I rate any President by the following metric. Is the country better off now than when he took office, and how much of it is a result of his policies. I don't have to "Like" him, as I am not living with him. So by those measuremants Trump is doing just fine as a president.


Yeah, try the metric of “making America hate again”. Trump is a fraud and a serious danger to the country’s future... $22 trillion indeed.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:26:28   #
EyeSawYou
 
wooden_ships wrote:
Yeah, try the metric of “making America hate again”. Trump is a fraud and a serious danger to the country’s future... $22 trillion indeed.


Lol keep those conspiracies coming lol.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:27:06   #
EyeSawYou
 
wooden_ships wrote:
Excellent post Frank! I especially like how well he detailed trump’s persona and how his supporters feel comfortable with his egregious faults and behavior (much to the chagrin of the majority of Americans).

It’s an added bonus that it made LWW attempt yet another deflection by instigating a pissing contest; his “go to” strategy when “read a book” doesn’t apply.

Well played indeed!


Occupy Democrats



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Overall, we rate Occupy Democrats Questionable due to extreme left wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well the publication of fake news as evidence by numerous failed fact checks.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:32:27   #
wooden_ships
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Occupy Democrats



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A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate Occupy Democrats Questionable due to extreme left wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well the publication of fake news as evidence by numerous failed fact checks.
Occupy Democrats br br br br Occupy Democrats -... (show quote)


Nice “cut and paste”.... do it some more and waste more space... boring.

You don’t think trump is inspiring class warfare? You don’t see his “divide and conquer” strategy? The trouble is, he and his supporters are the dumb minority. Or was it just luck that the House was retaken during the mid-terms.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:33:24   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
Now I'm intrigued. How do you know what Frank reads or doesn't read? Is this some superhero ability of yours? You've been ragging Frank about superheroes, but I haven't heard him claim any special powers, such as those you frequently claim.


Frank had it on his profile.

Several witnessed it.

Then Frank went to the admin claiming that reading his public profile was “a bridge too far” and that reading his public profile amounted to hacking him.

The whole thing was initiated by widdle Fwankie incessantly trolling because I have done extensive sports photojournalism for the local suburban newspaper chain that included covering the WWE a few times when they were on town.

I told Fwankie that he was getting in WAY over his widdle head. I knew about his picture book fetish for awhile and didn’t drop it until he simply refused to be civil.

Now, if you are going to troll someone over covering things fake, you shouldn’t be a fanboy of imaginary flying men who wear underpants over their tights.

You should know by now that I never bluff.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:42:28   #
wooden_ships
 
LWW wrote:
Frank had it on his profile.

Several witnessed it.

Then Frank went to the admin claiming that reading his public profile was “a bridge too far” and that reading his public profile amounted to hacking him.

The whole thing was initiated by widdle Fwankie incessantly trolling because I have done extensive sports photojournalism for the local suburban newspaper chain that included covering the WWE a few times when they were on town.

I told Fwankie that he was getting in WAY over his widdle head. I knew about his picture book fetish for awhile and didn’t drop it until he simply refused to be civil.

Now, if you are going to troll someone over covering things fake, you shouldn’t be a fanboy of imaginary flying men who wear underpants over their tights.

You should know by now that I never bluff.
Frank had it on his profile. br br Several witnes... (show quote)


Bluff? Maybe. Bore? Certainly.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:43:25   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LWW wrote:
Virtually all authors use a different name than what’s on their birth certificate ... as do imaginary flying men.


William Cuthbert Falkner, Tom Wolfe, Thomas Wolfe, Norman Mailer, Stephen King, Henry David Thoreau, Ralph Waldo Emerson, William F. Buckley, Ernest Hemingway, Frederick Douglass, F. Scott Fitzgerald, John Steinbeck, Herman Melville, Emily Dickinson, James Baldwin.
These are all real birth names. Just for clarity, these people are authors.
How am I doing so far? Pen names aren't really rare, but your statement is blatantly false.

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Feb 14, 2019 15:45:03   #
EyeSawYou
 
wooden_ships wrote:
Nice “cut and paste”.... do it some more and waste more space... boring.

You don’t think trump is inspiring class warfare? You don’t see his “divide and conquer” strategy? The trouble is, he and his supporters are the dumb minority. Or was it just luck that the House was retaken during the mid-terms.


Lol pure bloviated nonsense lies, its the Democrats that are the party class warfare not Trump, why must you lie about this?

But again, why are you ignoring the fact that Occupydemocrats are fake news.

Occupy Democrats



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Overall, we rate Occupy Democrats Questionable due to extreme left wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well the publication of fake news as evidence by numerous failed fact checks.

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