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18-400 Tamron - a Crowning Achievement, or just another so-so-sooperzoom???
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Feb 10, 2019 13:42:37   #
byuaceman Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Why 18-400mm? I can't imagine having a use for that. Not saying that there isn't a use for it. Maybe it is a failure of my imagination.

What do you think Chris? Where are you, what are you photographing, what are you trying to achieve, would you imagine, when you tell yourself "wow, I sure am glad I have this lens!"

Mike


Mike, I went to Africa in June with my 70D and only this lens. I know I took a chance with just one lens but I didn't want to lug others or even change lenses in the middle of a safari.

I tweaked the focusing at each of the lengths using the Tamron Tap-In Console which worked very well. I was very happy to have the 18-400 length whether I was in Cape Town shooting panoramic of Table Mountain or getting up close to animals in the bush. Look up the last few posts by me to see some of the pictures I took with the lens. I was very happy with it's performance. One note, I am not a professional photography so I take pictures just to make me happy.

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Feb 10, 2019 13:43:02   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
I have the Tamron 18-400, had the 16-300 sent it back, vowed not to buy another Tamron, but decided to get the 18-400 after reading reviews. Have had good and poor results, find the 18-50mm range not very sharp for landscape type images, but OK for closer work. Have a problem with the lens not focusing @ 400mm every now and then, have to zoom back to around 100mm to get focus again, AF or M does not matter. Sent it to Tamron for repair, but lens was sent back with a note that there was nothing wrong with it. Also have the Canon 70-300, which makes for me anyway a better walk around lens.
I have the Tamron 18-400, had the 16-300 sent it b... (show quote)


Zooman - I suspect you need to fine-tune it with the USB Dock. Did Tamron suggest that to you in the note they sent back with the lens, when they told you there was nothing wrong with it?

Do you find the Canon 70-300 to be sharper, or - just - lighter? … Which one is it?

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Feb 10, 2019 13:52:05   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Strodav wrote:
First thing to do is check whether you need to tune or not. I am familiar with Nikon dslrs, but not others, so this is what I have done for my 4 Nikon bodies, 2 DX, 2 FX. Live View uses a different method of focusing than AF mode (contrast (slow) vs phase (faster)). Live View shows the best the camera and lens can do (if you use good technique). So, I take images of a resolution chart in LV and AF. If they match, congratulations, you have confirmed AF is fine. If the AF image is softer, then you might want to tune.

Next thing to do is determine is whether your AF system is focusing in front of or behind the intended focus point. This can be done by shooting a page of text, focusing in the center of the page, like a newspaper page, at 30 to 45 degrees, i.e. front (closer to lens) of the page lower than the camera lens and back of the page higher than the camera lens. Look at the image to see if the text is in focus in front of or behind the focus point.

My dslrs have a AF fine-tune feature where you can move the AF point forward or backward. Nikon's only have one adjustment per lens, but I thought I heard Canons have two adjustment points per lens. In any case read your manual. For Nikon, go to the AF fine tune menu item and you will see a -20 to +20 adjustment range. By default it's at 0. A negative number moves the focus point towards the lens and a + value move the focus point away from the lens. I usually move 5 units at a time. It's trial and error, but with time and patience you will walk it in. So AF fine-tune is in the camera body and only has one (2 Canon) adjustment points per lens. For modern Sigma and Tamron lenses which use the usb dock or tap-in, you can tune at multiple points in the lens itself. For the 18-140mm in this post, there are 24 different points to tune, 3 different distances and 8 different zoom factors.

Important. When taking test shots use a sturdy tripod, remote release, aperture wide open (shallow DOF), turn off VR (if any), AF mode still (not continuous), single focus point, always take at least 3 shots. Before taking every shot, manually move the focus ring off a bit so you are forcing the system to re-focus before every shot. AF is a random process. It does not go back to the exact same point every time, which is why you need to take at least 3 shots and compare them.
First thing to do is check whether you need to tun... (show quote)


Thanks, Dave … that's all very concise. I've made a copy. Not sure the Canon APS-C DSLRs have that feature, although - the 7D2 might. Don't think my 60D does, though. And the T4i definitely doesn't.

Have to look at the D7000 and D7100 … that may be there, buried in the menus, someplace. So - what you're saying is - if you go through all this procedure - you don't NEED the USB dock, or the Tap-in?

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Feb 10, 2019 13:53:46   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
byuaceman wrote:
Mike, I went to Africa in June with my 70D and only this lens. I know I took a chance with just one lens but I didn't want to lug others or even change lenses in the middle of a safari.

I tweaked the focusing at each of the lengths using the Tamron Tap-In Console which worked very well. I was very happy to have the 18-400 length whether I was in Cape Town shooting panoramic of Table Mountain or getting up close to animals in the bush. Look up the last few posts by me to see some of the pictures I took with the lens. I was very happy with it's performance. One note, I am not a professional photography so I take pictures just to make me happy.
Mike, I went to Africa in June with my 70D and onl... (show quote)


Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Nice shots, I especially like the rhinos.

Large wild critters - rhinos, lions, and elephants, limited amount of time and a limited number of vantage points, difficult situation for carrying much equipment or changing lenses - I can see where that lens would be a good choice.

Thanks again.

Mike

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Feb 10, 2019 13:58:45   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
byuaceman wrote:
Mike, I went to Africa in June with my 70D and only this lens. I know I took a chance with just one lens but I didn't want to lug others or even change lenses in the middle of a safari.

I tweaked the focusing at each of the lengths using the Tamron Tap-In Console which worked very well. I was very happy to have the 18-400 length whether I was in Cape Town shooting panoramic of Table Mountain or getting up close to animals in the bush. Look up the last few posts by me to see some of the pictures I took with the lens. I was very happy with it's performance. One note, I am not a professional photography so I take pictures just to make me happy.
Mike, I went to Africa in June with my 70D and onl... (show quote)


Aceman - I have the 60D … I wonder if this lens would compliment THAT camera, if it's so good on the 70D.

Tell me this, Ace … how does the Tap-In Console work differently, than the USB Dock - or - doesn't it?

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Feb 10, 2019 14:00:47   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Nice shots, I especially like the rhinos.

Large wild critters - rhinos, lions, and elephants, limited amount of time and a limited number of vantage points, difficult situation for carrying much equipment or changing lenses - I can see where that lens would be a good choice.

Thanks again.

Mike


Now, thereyago, Mike !!!!! … Problem solved!!!!

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Feb 10, 2019 14:26:53   #
jsfphotos Loc: New York, NY
 
I just bought the Tamron 18-400 lens 3 weeks ago before I went on vacation. It is a phenomenal lens. Don't need anything else for walking around.

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Feb 10, 2019 14:28:48   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Chris T wrote:
Serj - the 16-300 is a different animal entirely. That one is a VC PZD. This one is a VC HLD. So, it uses an entirely different AF mechanism than the earlier Tamron - apart from knocking out the lower 2mm and adding 100mm to the top. Pricewise - they're approximately the same - around $650 … but, to be honest, I have seen the earlier model at around $495 - which is a $155 difference!!! … What I'm trying to find out, here - is whether that difference makes sense to invest - which it might - if it's significantly better … ok?
Serj - the 16-300 is a different animal entirely. ... (show quote)


For $650, you can get a 100-400 Tammy or Sigma !

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Feb 10, 2019 14:54:46   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
imagemeister wrote:
For $650, you can get a 100-400 Tammy or Sigma !


Who on earth would want one, Larry? … Sooner get a 50-500 Bigma!!!!!

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Feb 10, 2019 14:57:23   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
jsfphotos wrote:
I just bought the Tamron 18-400 lens 3 weeks ago before I went on vacation. It is a phenomenal lens. Don't need anything else for walking around.


Except a cane to lean on, JSF - otherwise, the weight will make you walk lopsided!!!!

Seriously, though … glad you're enjoying it, JSF … care to share any of your vacation shots?

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Feb 10, 2019 15:11:29   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
The 18-400 isn't heavy at all....I shoot with the Canon 100-400mm hand held. Just think the lens is not what the posts say about it. Good for a knock-a-round lens.


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Feb 10, 2019 16:01:39   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
The 18-400 isn't heavy at all....I shoot with the Canon 100-400mm hand held. Just think the lens is not what the posts say about it. Good for a knock-a-round lens.


It's heavy in comparison to their 70-300. At least, according to their numbers …

The 100-400 L IS II - is quite a heavy lens, with an equally heavy price - $2200 ….

But, perhaps, you have the earlier one, do you, Brooklyn?

$650's a lotta dough for a "knock-around lens" ….

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Feb 10, 2019 16:08:39   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Chris T wrote:
Mas - the prior Tamron 16-300 VC PZD was / is - available for Sony a-mount. Since Tamron established a precedent with THAT lens - it makes no sense to me, they didn't continue that trend with THIS lens. Yes, the a77 and a65 and a58 (most recent Sony APS-C models) - were all discontinued, but they added the a68, and the a77II and a99 II (FF model) - are selling like hotcakes!!!!


Yes. The above mentioned Sony cameras are all translucent mirror crop sensor cameras, except the full frame a99II. All good cameras in A-mounts. All have EVF. It appear you have a liking for Sony Brand cameras

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Feb 10, 2019 16:39:27   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Chris T wrote:
Thanks, Dave … that's all very concise. I've made a copy. Not sure the Canon APS-C DSLRs have that feature, although - the 7D2 might. Don't think my 60D does, though. And the T4i definitely doesn't.

Have to look at the D7000 and D7100 … that may be there, buried in the menus, someplace. So - what you're saying is - if you go through all this procedure - you don't NEED the USB dock, or the Tap-in?


No. I recommend using the AF Fine-Tune in the camera body for prime lenses. Tune it at the distance you usually use it. For newer Sigma (USB Dock) and Tamron (Tap-In) highly recommend checking then tuning all the points in the table that comes up when you connect the lens and open either the Tamron Tap-in or Sigma Optimization Pro app on your computer. Again, for the 18-400mm there are 24 points (8 zoom factors at 3 different distances).

Here are some things I suspect, but the jury is still out. Some Nikon glass needs tuning, some does not. I had to tune a Nikon 50mm f1.4 G on my D850 and a 18-140mm f3.5-5.6 G on my D7200 using the AF Fine-tune feature in modern Nikon bodies. You will "always" need to tune Sigma and Tamron lenses, primes or zooms as they will be off somewhere. Going further, I like Sigma or Tamron zooms because I can tune them over their entire range. Some 3rd party glass is better than Nikon glass, especially the less expensive Nikon glass. For example, look at both the Sigma and Tamron 85mm primes compared to the Nikon 85mm primes. So, read the reviews carefully before you buy any lens and rent before you buy if you can.

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Feb 10, 2019 17:35:15   #
skylinefirepest Loc: Southern Pines, N.C.
 
I do almost entirely wreck and fire photography so this lens, if made for a Sony A77, would fit my needs pretty well. I use the Sony 18-250 now...an excellent lens but at times I want something a little longer without having to leave a scene, go back to the truck, and get another. Why don't I simply carry a bag? Because my first job is fireman and carrying a photo bag around would be a real hassle. I have to leave my camera on the seat of a truck now and then and I've even handed it to a bystander and told him to take pictures of anything that catches his eye while I'm doing something else. So...I'd love to see this made for Sony.

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