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Feb 8, 2019 20:08:53   #
MechEng Loc: The Mitten
 
RedPachyderm wrote:
Hello! I am new to the forum and have a question. Trying to decide on a entry level DSLR and have always had great luck with Canon cameras. But I am open to any.
I am trying to decide between the Canon SL2 and T7i, or the Nikon D3500 or D5600. Any opinions on these?
Is the T7i worth another $150~ over the SL2? Is the touchscreen function on some of the cameras mentioned useful, deal-breaker, etc?
Also, planning a trip to Yellowstone this year and wondered about lens choices as well.
Thanks for any advice/opinions!!
Greg
Hello! I am new to the forum and have a question. ... (show quote)


Hello and welcome! I am relatively new myself but I will try to give you some personal feedback you find of value......

I would consider the T6i and save the extra $ for lenses. I gave my first dslr rig to my stepson (T1i and the kit lenses that came with it) and was looking into the next body just last summer and I was considering the T7i and T6i. Personally, I just couldn't justify the extra money for the what I considered the "glitzy" extras of the latest and greatest from the Rebel line. the biggest difference is 19 point AF vs. 45 pt AF for the T6i and T7i respectively. Price difference is $150 on Amazon. But that is the decision I made and I am happy......that makes me somewhat biased....in the end the choice is what makes YOU happy.

As to lenses....at a venue like Yellowstone I would want at least one wide angle lens and one zoom lens because you are going to be taking shots of vistas and you will be far away from something you want to "get close to" but can't. For the wide angle I would highly recommend the Canon 10-22 because it will deliver the wide vistas our national parks often showcase. For the zoom.....you could really use a 55-250 Canon kit lens and get great pics for just over $100. If you have more coin, you could step up to a Canon 70-200 f/4 for $550 (I haven't used this lens). That would get you going and be able to handle most situations you would likely encounter.......until you encounter a situation you can't....then you will look at other lenses. Good Luck and post pics!

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Feb 8, 2019 22:27:55   #
doNewell
 
I'm not the photographer that many here have become, but the advice given as:

"You might want to consider used models
where you can buy much more camera
for the same or lower prices "

resonates with me.

I was a confirmed Minolta guy:
and despite their ins and outs..
the assumption of the "a-lense" mount by Sony, has saved a lot of $$ for me.

Although my Sony A-65v is way ahead of my skills in operating it,
(and therefore completely fulfilling my "needs".)..
I've always wanted a better camera than I was willing to afford...

so recently acquired a Sony a-700, (Discontinued ~10 years ago)
[which was way out of my price range when new,]
for less than 10% of it's original value.
It is a pleasure to use, though it does "only" have 12.4M pixels,
as compared to twice that on the newer camera.

I would rather buy a used great camera than a new "kinda OK" one.



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Feb 8, 2019 22:35:29   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
doNewell wrote:
I'm not the photographer that many here have become, but the advice given as:

"You might want to consider used models
where you can buy much more camera
for the same or lower prices "

resonates with me.

I was a confirmed Minolta guy:
and despite their ins and outs..
the assumption of the "a-lense" mount by Sony, has saved a lot of $$ for me.

Although my Sony A-65v is way ahead of my skills in operating it,
(and therefore completely fulfilling my "needs".)..
I've always wanted a better camera than I was willing to afford...

so recently acquired a Sony a-700, (Discontinued ~10 years ago)
[which was way out of my price range when new,]
for less than 10% of it's original value.
It is a pleasure to use, though it does "only" have 12.4M pixels,
as compared to twice that on the newer camera.

I would rather buy a used great camera than a new "kinda OK" one.
I'm not the photographer that many here have becom... (show quote)


More camera? You have to be kidding! The T7i will take photos so good you won’t be able to tell any difference

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Feb 8, 2019 22:51:21   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
doNewell wrote:
I'm not the photographer that many here have become, but the advice given as:

"You might want to consider used models
where you can buy much more camera
for the same or lower prices "

resonates with me.

I was a confirmed Minolta guy:
and despite their ins and outs..
the assumption of the "a-lense" mount by Sony, has saved a lot of $$ for me.

Although my Sony A-65v is way ahead of my skills in operating it,
(and therefore completely fulfilling my "needs".)..
I've always wanted a better camera than I was willing to afford...

so recently acquired a Sony a-700, (Discontinued ~10 years ago)
[which was way out of my price range when new,]
for less than 10% of it's original value.
It is a pleasure to use, though it does "only" have 12.4M pixels,
as compared to twice that on the newer camera.

I would rather buy a used great camera than a new "kinda OK" one.
I'm not the photographer that many here have becom... (show quote)


That's a pretty nice-looking camera, Do … is that the one you bought, or just - one like it?

Both the later a850 and a900 can be found on the used market - which were BOTH Pro models.

Currently, the discontinued a77 (SLT) can also be found, used … the a77II, perhaps, too …

All of those four sport 24MP … twice what you have here … and the same as your a65 …

Anyway … enjoy your a700 … looks nice!!!!

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Feb 8, 2019 23:08:16   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
The Sony FF E-Mount Cameras (all current)

Model RES Target Market Introduction
a9 (ILCE-9) 24.2MP Professional 4-19-2017
a7 III (ILCE-7M3) 24.2MP Professional 2-27-2018
A7R III (ILCE-7RM3) 42.4MP Professional 10-25-2017
a7R II (ILCE-7M2) 42.4MP Semi-Pro 6-10-2015
a7R (ILCE-7R) 36.4MP Semi-Pro 10-16-2013
a7 II (ILCE-7M2) 24.3MP Semi-Pro 11-20-2014
a7 (ILCE-7) 24.3MP Semi-Pro 10-16-2013
a7s II (ILCE-7SM2) 12.2MP Semi-Pro 9-11-2015
a7s (ILCE-7s) 12.2MP Semi-Pro 4-06-2014

The Sony SLT a-Mount Cameras

a99 II (ILCA-99M2) 42MP Professional (FF) 9-19-2016 Current
a99 (SLT-a99V) 24MP Professional (FF) 9-12-2012 disc. 2016
a77 II (ILCA-77M2) 24MP Advanced 5-01-2014 Current
a77 (SLT-a77V) 24MP Advanced 8-24-2011 discontinued
a68 (ILCA-68) 24MP Mid-Range 11-05-2015 Current
a65 (SLT-a65V) 24MP Mid-Range 8-24-2011 discontinued
a58 (SLT-a58) 20MP Mid-Range 2-20-2013 discontinued
a57 (SLT-a57) Mid-Range 3-13-2012 discontinued
a55 (SLT-a55V) Mid-Range 8-24-2010 discontinued
a37 (SLT-a37) Entry-Level 5-17-2012 discontinued
a35 (SLT-a35) Entry-Level 6-8-2011 discontinued
a33 (SLT-a33) Entry-Level 8-24-2010 discontinued

The Sony DSLR a-Mount Cameras

a900 (DSLR-a900) Professional 9-9-2008 disc. 2011
a850 (DSLR-a850) Professional 8-27-2009 disc. 2011
a700 (DSLR-a700) Advanced 9-05-2007 disc. 2009
a580 (DSLR-a580) Midrange 8-24-2010 disc. 2010
a560 (DSLR-a560) Midrange 8-24-2010 disc. 2010
a550 (DSLR-a550) Midrange 8-27-2009 discontinued
a500 (DSLR-a500) Midrange 8-27-2009 discontinued
a450 (DSLR-a450) Midrange 1-5-2010 discontinued
a390 (DSLR-a390) Entry Level 6-9-2010 disc. 2011
a380 (DSLR-a380) Entry Level 5-17-2009 disc. 2010
a350 (DSLR-a350) Entry Level 1-30-2008 discontinued
a330 (DSLR-a330) Entry Level 5-17-2009 disc. 2010
a300 (DSLR-a300) Entry Level 1-30-2008 discontinued
a290 (DSLR-a290) Entry Level 6-9-2010 disc. 2011
a230 (DSLR-a230) Entry Level 5-17-2009 disc. 2010
a200 (DSLR-a200) Entry-Level 1-6-2008 discontinued
a100 (DSLR-a100) Midrange 6-5-2006 disc. 2008

The Sony Compact E-Mount Cameras

a6500 (ILCE-6500) Advanced Amateur 6-10-2016 Current
a6300 (ILCE-6300) Advanced Amateur 2-3-2016 Current
a6000 (ILCE-6000) Advanced Amateur 2-12-2014 Current
a5100 (ILCE-5100) Entry Level 8-18-2014 Current
a5000 (ILCE-5000) Entry Level 1-7-2014 Current
a3500 (ILCE-3500) Entry Level 3-21-2014 Discontinued
===============
The following Sony Digital Cameras feature 5-axis In Body Stabilization
SLT - a99 II
Compact E-Mount - a6500
FF E-Mount - a9, a7s II, a7 II, a7 III, a7R II, a7R III
=========================================

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Feb 8, 2019 23:24:22   #
User ID
 
Chris T wrote:
Yes, I read somewhere Canon sells more cameras than Nikon, Pentax, Fuji and Sony - combined!!!!

USER ID - think of a piece of paper as a FF Sensor. Halve it, and you have an APS-C Sensor.

Halve it, again - and you have a Micro Four Thirds Sensor ...

Halve it, again ... and you have a 1" sensor.

Halve it, again ... and you have a 1/2.3" (bridge) sensor ...

Then measure the square area ... and double it back again,
and again and again and again - and you're back at Full Frame !!!!!
Yes, I read somewhere Canon sells more cameras tha... (show quote)


Forget the square area. It has no effect
on IQ, only on cost. Linear measure is
what determines image size.

Your visualization with the sheet of paper
is quite handy for getting the general idea.
But there are small discrepancies of a mm
here, a mm there, that do add up in the
real world result, not to mention the 4x3
vs 3x2 difference in shapes. If your sheet
of paper analogy were 100% perfect then
m4/3 would have a 3x2 shape and APSC
would have a 4x3 shape ... but the actual
fact is the exact opposite. Go figger :-O

When you halve a rectangle you get a new
shape. When you again halve the smaller
new rectangle, you get the original shape:
36x24, 24x18, and 18x12, easy ratios to
see without great math ability ! But these
are NOT the real world ratios for the two
smaller formats :-(


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Feb 9, 2019 02:00:00   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
User ID wrote:
Forget the square area. It has no effect
on IQ, only on cost. Linear measure is
what determines image size.

Your visualization with the sheet of paper
is quite handy for getting the general idea.
But there are small discrepancies of a mm
here, a mm there, that do add up in the
real world result, not to mention the 4x3
vs 3x2 difference in shapes. If your sheet
of paper analogy were 100% perfect then
m4/3 would have a 3x2 shape and APSC
would have a 4x3 shape ... but the actual
fact is the exact opposite. Go figger :-O

When you halve a rectangle you get a new
shape. When you again halve the smaller
new rectangle, you get the original shape:
36x24, 24x18, and 18x12, easy ratios to
see without great math ability ! But these
are NOT the real world ratios for the two
smaller formats :-(


.
Forget the square area. It has no effect br on IQ... (show quote)


It wasn't perfect, USER ID, but, it was just a way of showing the sizes, relative to each other.

Size-wise, most of them are in that general area. Where it REALLY falls apart is 1/2.3" bridges - in relationship to the sensor size known as 1" … because, they are ONE QUARTER of the 1" … quite a difference!!!!!!

But, going up, from 1" to the next to the next to the next to the next - each, more or less - doubles in area. It's not perfect - no ... but the approximations are fairly accurate.


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