Canon FD mount 500 prime vs Sigma 150-600 sport zoom
Jan 27, 2019 21:39:15 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I started out with an asahi pentax back in the 70's so I'm pretty well versed on manual photography. I think I still have a light meter in my kit. Thanks for the advise.
Ignoring our buddy who seems to want argue about what he thinks vs what he knows, one of the drawbacks of the EOS R is the lack of in-body stabilization (IBIS). To me, this is disqualifying for use with FD lenses where the Sony IBIS-enabled approach makes the FD lenses much more useful, even if I use a FD 300L almost exclusively on a tripod. Cranking the shutter speed and ISO to compensate for a lack of stabilization simply ignores the root issue of selecting the wrong 2019 digital body for use with a 1980s manual focus lens.
Jan 27, 2019 22:41:24 #
You're right. IBIS is something they say they are bringing out in the new EOSRP next year. For the most part all my EFL lenses have IS so its not a real issue and I have several heavy duty tripods but I get what you say and I think I'll pass on the fd and use my sigma until I can get a second mortgage and buy the canon 600 mm. And it is a shame that we try to have a civilized exchange of ideas on this forum only to be interrupted by the clinically insane and unstable.
Jan 27, 2019 22:59:03 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
one of the drawbacks of the EOS R is the lack of in-body stabilization (IBIS). To me, this is disqualifying for use with FD lenses where the Sony IBIS-enabled approach makes the FD lenses much more useful, .
With GOOD technique, lack of IS is not a deal breaker - just sayin' ....lack of zoom versatility WOULD be a deal breaker for me tho ....
Jan 27, 2019 23:23:21 #
imagemeister wrote:
With GOOD technique, lack of IS is not a deal breaker - just sayin' ....lack of zoom versatility WOULD be a deal breaker for me tho ....
You've been doing excellent wildlife work, were any of those with manual focus lenses?
Would you want to be using a manual focus lens? How about adding aperture control to a ring on the lens? Now consider the expected results from AUTO exposure? or Shutter Priority with AUTO-ISO or all manual exposure? My point is each additional level of complexity makes achieving anything useful that much more difficult to achieve with the FD candidate lens. Try tying it all together while trying to keep a live & moving subject in the frame at 500mm. Not impossible, but 'good' technique might not be good enough for these challenges, particularly given the AF and lens-enabled IS options for all the bodies available to our OP.
Jan 28, 2019 00:18:40 #
I’m an old guy that started with just a pretty simple box and roll of film! Has it gotten to we’re nobody can do anything manual anymore? My son now tells me the best way to keep your vechile from get stolen is to buy a straight/manual transmission!
Jan 28, 2019 00:23:26 #
WestTnGuy wrote:
I’m an old guy that started with just a pretty simple box and roll of film! Has it gotten to we’re nobody can do anything manual anymore? My son now tells me the best way to keep your vechile from get stolen is to buy a straight/manual transmission!
Our OP will likely appreciate your detailed shooting tips along with your enthusiastic donation of $1000 to purchase the lens ...
Jan 28, 2019 06:17:19 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I have the sigma already just wondering what your collective thoughts are on the viability of the FD 500mm prime. I am going on a shoot in the Great Bear Rainforest of B.C. Looking for the white spirit bear. I'm taking a 5d and the new EOS R. The ef 600 is just about as much money as the trip itself. What are your thoughts on these two lenses. I can pick up the fd 500 for 1000.00
I am not sure you would be happy manually focusing such a long lens without changing out the focusing screen on your camera. It is plenty sharp, relatively light for a 500 prime but it was discontinued in 1987, so good luck getting it serviced if something goes wrong with it. If you are budget sensitive, then I would pass on it.
Jan 28, 2019 07:25:01 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I have the sigma already just wondering what your collective thoughts are on the viability of the FD 500mm prime. I am going on a shoot in the Great Bear Rainforest of B.C. Looking for the white spirit bear. I'm taking a 5d and the new EOS R. The ef 600 is just about as much money as the trip itself. What are your thoughts on these two lenses. I can pick up the fd 500 for 1000.00
No, it will not work on your 5D without a lot of work on a conversion, and even then I am not sure that you will be able to attain infinity focus without a corrective lens. The flange distance of the old Canon FD mounts is shorter than the flange distance of the EOS mount and because of that FD lenses can not infinity focus without modification or a corrective lens. If you need eyeglasses for your lens just how well do you think it will perform?
Jan 28, 2019 07:28:37 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Ignoring our buddy who seems to want argue about w... (show quote)
So, what is the difference in shooting with an 80D and a 5DSR?, if you do the math if you expanded the sensor on an 80D to match the size of the 5DSR it would have more than 50mp. I really can't agree with your statement and I shoot with a 5DSR.
Jan 28, 2019 07:34:07 #
User ID wrote:
Just WHOSE light meter is it ? Apparently, you
don't read hardly much well atoll. And have a
very superficial knowledge of exposure meter
systems ..... or you'd know there's no actual
difference between manual and so-called auto
exposure. It's just a subjective preference for
each user.
.
don't read hardly much well atoll. And have a
very superficial knowledge of exposure meter
systems ..... or you'd know there's no actual
difference between manual and so-called auto
exposure. It's just a subjective preference for
each user.
.
CHG_CANON is right, DSLR's don't properly meter with manual lenses, this can usually be overcome with EV adjustments, but I have over 30 manual lenses from the 50's, 60's, and 70's that I still use on my Canon bodies and have to adjust what the camera thinks is proper exposure. Even when you have made proper adjustment every time you change the aperture setting you have to check for proper exposure.
Jan 28, 2019 09:29:23 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
An FD lenses will work on your EOS R via an adapte... (show quote)
No small feat!! Some of us have done it years ago but shifting back to those skills is tough. Add an illusive once in a lifetime subject? Hmmm. Not for this old coot.Jan 28, 2019 10:05:07 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I am aware of that. I have the adapter.
If the adapter involves glass, image quality wise, I would go with the Sigma. Now on my Sony, that old Canon would be sweet.
Jan 28, 2019 10:11:23 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I have the sigma already just wondering what your collective thoughts are on the viability of the FD 500mm prime. I am going on a shoot in the Great Bear Rainforest of B.C. Looking for the white spirit bear. I'm taking a 5d and the new EOS R. The ef 600 is just about as much money as the trip itself. What are your thoughts on these two lenses. I can pick up the fd 500 for 1000.00
Is the $1000 a good price, in case you decide to resell in the future? Can you get an old EOS lens close to that price? I've used various adapters with no problems, so that is not an issue, I would worry about.
Good luck on your image hunt.
Jan 28, 2019 10:16:36 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I started out with an asahi pentax back in the 70's so I'm pretty well versed on manual photography. I think I still have a light meter in my kit. Thanks for the advise.
But remember, it’s not only manual aperture and focus (which was standard for us all before AF and cameras with auto exposure modes) - it’s the fact that you lose stop down metering which even your Pentax had. That means that you focus with the aperture wide open and then you, not the camera, have to turn the aperture back down to the shooting aperture - that takes time, and you can easily lose the composition or subject while doing that. Then of course, you have to return the aperture to wide open for the next shot, because stopped down, the viewfinder will likely be too dim for accurate focus. Fully manual lenses are fine for non moving subjects where you’re on a tripod and have plenty of time to diddle with everything, but that’s not the usual use for a long tele.
Jan 28, 2019 12:03:47 #
TriX wrote:
But remember, it’s not only manual aperture and fo... (show quote)
Actually, when using FD lens adapted to mirrorless bodies, that level of complexity is not part of the usage equation. Set the aperture on the lens to whatever you desire for the composition. The adapters are nothing more than open metal donuts, no glass. The mirrorless sensor meters of the light that falls on it for the shutter and ISO selected. Only if your composition and exposure parameters are too dark to focus via the EVF, even with peeked to 100%, just adjust the shutterspeed and / or ISO on the camera to brighten the EVF; restore those parameters when you've focused the lens. Useful tools / technique, but of course, impractical for situations other than static subjects if shooting in lower light / smaller apertures. If you're shooting raw and exposing to the right, your EVF will likely already be 'bright' enough to focus quickly and easily without needing to temporarily adjust the exposure for focusing purposes.
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