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Jan 26, 2019 02:58:38   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
I am not a pro but had chances to do work professionally now and then. I would never do a wedding because of the intense emotions involved. Frankly, I think people put too much importance on the event when they should be planning for marriage.

I worked in a hotel that did weddings a lot, and one time when there was big extravagant wedding one of the busboys (a Russian immigrant) ridiculed the whole thing--"Don't all these people know the man is a bus driver?"

My parents were married in the winter of 1939 in Winchester, KY. They were able to get married because my father got a raise (from $8 a week to $11--no holidays, no days off, 14 hours a day), and they moved into a room in a boarding house. The wedding was in a little add-on chapel on a retired preacher's house, and the preacher used a box camera to take their picture outside. It was rainy and very cold (they had their overcoats on) and the wind was blowing, and the preacher stood too far back so they did not fill the frame, but in that one picture they looked deliriously happy. After the wedding, they went to Aunt Pat's house for cookies and punch. Later he got her a better ring, but she still always wore the real one, from a dime store. When she died of cancer 63 years later, she woke up from the opiates briefly and Dad was holding her hand. Her last words were, "The happiest day of my life was the day I married you."

Today the bigger the wedding the shorter the marriage (they are out of money for a start). The money for photography makes me queasy, and when I see these cry babies on Judge Judy complaining about how their life was ruined by the wedding problems or a cake that did not match the hideous dresses, I wonder how or why anybody could marry people like that.

I have read in books how to photograph a wedding, and when I have gone to weddings I observed them, but that only alarmed me all the more. I know it is the bread and butter of commercial studios, but they must have nerves of steel or no sense of proportion.
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I agree with you. The wedding is only one day. And what you said. Our parents were not on board with our marriage so could not agree on who might pay for what. And my girlfriend and I had little money so we just got married in a minister's business office with the local county license. We had a couple small parties for friends and relatives later. And had to save up for the rings and honeymoon trip many months later. No photographer obviously. I took pix of the cake. That was 1984, it will be 35 year early this February. Still together.

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Jan 26, 2019 03:30:10   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.


I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
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I had to tell you this. I was talking to some people who asked my advise.
I said "it is not really what you do that is important" " but what you don't do"
That is my secret to making good decisions.

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Jan 26, 2019 04:01:03   #
Bipod
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)

Go with your gut. Business relationships that start out bad end that way.

You could tell them something has come up and you'll be out of town on that date.

If you want, you could suggest that they might like to come in for a studio portrait
at a later date.

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Jan 26, 2019 06:51:42   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Best reply yet, I haven't thought of that! ... but, be prepared to put up with the grief.

itsnoelb wrote:
Hear hear. Old guy taught me to never tell the customer NO. Bid yourself out. If they take the bid....it makes up for the effort.

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Jan 26, 2019 08:20:35   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes, the lifetime union speaks for itself in two words: "Still together." Other things appear small in hindsight. Congratulations on 35 years of marriage!
lamiaceae wrote:
I agree with you. The wedding is only one day. And what you said. Our parents were not on board with our marriage so could not agree on who might pay for what. And my girlfriend and I had little money so we just got married in a minister's business office with the local county license. We had a couple small parties for friends and relatives later. And had to save up for the rings and honeymoon trip many months later. No photographer obviously. I took pix of the cake. That was 1984, it will be 35 year early this February. Still together.
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Jan 26, 2019 08:59:35   #
Creative Images by Judy
 
If your get is saying don't then don't. I recently shot a wedd8ng where I had a groomzilla.....worst than a bridezilla trust me. I was totally blindsighted by how horrible and critical he was of the photos. He wanted his $ back. I read my contract and told him no I did a ton of work.
So I am a landscape wildlife photographer and now I know why!!!!
I might do a wedding again but its gotta be for a saint!!!
Refer them to someone you dont know

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Jan 26, 2019 10:36:06   #
tinwhistle
 
What happened to good old fashioned honesty? Simply tell them that you do not think you are the right guy for this job. Wish them good luck and end the interview.

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Jan 26, 2019 10:37:50   #
Creative Images by Judy
 
Nice point tinwhistle

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Jan 26, 2019 11:05:51   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Judy, you raise an interesting issue about professional photography. For a wedding, people charge for time and also for pictures. If you charge for your hours, like criminal lawyers (or corporate lawyers--same thing), it does not matter if you win the case--you still get paid. Wedding photography is a mix of the two, and the customer is not intuitively clear about what payment is for time and what is for product. Telling them does not necessarily soak in.
Creative Images by Judy wrote:
If your get is saying don't then don't. I recently shot a wedd8ng where I had a groomzilla.....worst than a bridezilla trust me. I was totally blindsighted by how horrible and critical he was of the photos. He wanted his $ back. I read my contract and told him no I did a ton of work.
So I am a landscape wildlife photographer and now I know why!!!!
I might do a wedding again but its gotta be for a saint!!!
Refer them to someone you dont know

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Jan 26, 2019 11:44:34   #
YellowDog Loc: Gulf Coast near New Orleans
 
You might borrow something from the home construction business...……
I know of a situation where the wife was similar to bridezilla you described and nobody wanted the contract to build a good-sized, custom home for them. This was in a relatively small community and so, word got around about how demanding the wife was on things.

First contractor she went to discovered that he was "busy" during that time frame. The next contractor (already knowing the situation) discovered he too was "busy," but might do it at a HUGE markup in price since he'd have to subcontract the house with someone else if his firm was to do it at all. The next contractor had some sort of "can't do it either" story. Finally got to one unlucky soul (who had been forewarned) who decided he wanted their business. He entered into a contract with the couple for their new home.

Long story made short, he built their dream home, but the wife had so many change orders that it bankrupted his firm. So, be "busy" during the time frame of her wedding.

BTW, I'm not a pro photog, but I worked for one of the best pro photogs in my community and was trained by him in photography. I owe my love of photography to that fellow.

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Jan 26, 2019 13:25:43   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Creative Images by Judy wrote:
If your get is saying don't then don't. I recently shot a wedd8ng where I had a groomzilla.....worst than a bridezilla trust me. I was totally blindsighted by how horrible and critical he was of the photos. He wanted his $ back. I read my contract and told him no I did a ton of work.
So I am a landscape wildlife photographer and now I know why!!!!
I might do a wedding again but its gotta be for a saint!!!
Refer them to someone you dont know


I was on a jury in NY where the case was about the groom and best man beating the crap out of the videographer and putting him in the hospital. We convicted the groom. The best man, his cousin, skipped to California.

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Jan 26, 2019 14:49:27   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
This has been a very interesting discussion to read. Years ago, was asked by one of my wife's friends if I would consider taking some photographs at her daughter's wedding because they could not afford to hire a photographer, but would like to have at least some record of the wedding. I agreed, partly because I was interested in learning whether this might be something that I might be interested in. I also clearly informed everyone that while I would be happy to help and would strive to do my best, that I had no experience at it, and results would not be expected to be the same as would be expected from a professional photographer.

Anyway, results were really pretty decent for the circumstances, but the bride had many disappointments. My big learning was that those who are willing to face the challenges of doing wedding photography deserve nothing but the highest level of respect from the rest of us.

All that said. I would hope that your approach to whatever you decide is based upon kind and compassionate honesty. Making stuff up is not a good strategy. Finding a schedule conflictafter having a good faith first meeting does not convey a good picture of organization and could lead to a negative review as strong as one claiming poor photography.

Best wishes as you work this out.

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Jan 26, 2019 19:02:07   #
BVBob Loc: Tri Cities, Wa.
 
You are self employed and sometimes hard decisions need to be made. What that decision is, is strictly yours. Our opinion doesn't count nor should it. You already know what you should do, don't waffle around. Like Nike says "Just Do It!"

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Jan 26, 2019 19:06:44   #
fotoman150
 
tinwhistle wrote:
What happened to good old fashioned honesty? Simply tell them that you do not think you are the right guy for this job. Wish them good luck and end the interview.


Yeah I prefer to just tell the truth that I don’t think I’m the right photographer for them.

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Jan 26, 2019 19:08:55   #
fotoman150
 
larryepage wrote:
This has been a very interesting discussion to read. Years ago, was asked by one of my wife's friends if I would consider taking some photographs at her daughter's wedding because they could not afford to hire a photographer, but would like to have at least some record of the wedding. I agreed, partly because I was interested in learning whether this might be something that I might be interested in. I also clearly informed everyone that while I would be happy to help and would strive to do my best, that I had no experience at it, and results would not be expected to be the same as would be expected from a professional photographer.

Anyway, results were really pretty decent for the circumstances, but the bride had many disappointments. My big learning was that those who are willing to face the challenges of doing wedding photography deserve nothing but the highest level of respect from the rest of us.

All that said. I would hope that your approach to whatever you decide is based upon kind and compassionate honesty. Making stuff up is not a good strategy. Finding a schedule conflictafter having a good faith first meeting does not convey a good picture of organization and could lead to a negative review as strong as one claiming poor photography.

Best wishes as you work this out.
This has been a very interesting discussion to rea... (show quote)


You’re right. I think they would see right through the excuse about a conflicted schedule. They could bad mouth me for inconveniencing them.

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