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Jan 26, 2019 07:57:05   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
robertjerl wrote:
First, what is your budget?
I use a Nest gimbal head on a Nest Tripod. They are carbon fiber and therefore lighter than some others.
MT Shooter here on the UHH is the US distributor for the heads as he was involved in their design (the US head is not the same as the international model you see on Amazon and Ebay).

https://www.cameracottage.com/apps/webstore/

You can get a head and medium weight tripod (MT refers to it as a light weight but it has a 44# weight rating-Nest NT-6324CT CF Tripod) for just about $600 plus tax and shipping. The head is fluid dampened and in two versions, the second being an Arctic model for cold weather or those who don't like the stiffness of the heavier dampening on the standard model).
I bought my head from MT Shooter and got my tripod second hand
First, what is your budget? br I use a Nest gimbal... (show quote)


Right On!

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Jan 26, 2019 08:21:19   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
roset wrote:
Need help with a Gimbal head and a tripod to go with. The Gimbal selections are under 100-1,000 plus. What’s a lady to do? I do not use my Tamron 150-600 lens often but need stability when I do. Since I don’t use it much I don’t want to invest extravagant money in one. Suggestions?
Also need a better tripod to handle the big lens and Gimbal. Recommendations appreciated.
You all always have the answers.
Thank you!


When nothing but the best will do.
For the gimbal head
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/404536-REG/Wimberley_WH_200_Gimbal_Type_Tripod_Head.html?sts=pi

And for your tripod.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1034913-REG/gitzo_gt2542_gt2532_mountaineer_series_2.html?sts=pi

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Jan 26, 2019 09:06:25   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
Consider a good monopod that can also act as a tripod if you don't use it much.

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Jan 26, 2019 09:06:39   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 


A Series 2 ain't gonna cut it.

At least not according to Gitzo. A Series 2 only has the torsional rigidity to ensure stability for up to a 200mm lens. Not sure why you would suggest this for a person asking about a 600mm lens. This is explained on pages 14 and 15 in their 2018 catalog.

https://www.gitzo-shop.ch/contents/de-ch/Gitzo_katalog_2016.pdf

Hell, I once (in 2006) owned a Series 3 and sold it because it didn't give me consistent results with my 500mm lens.

Gitzo is a great tripod, but you need to stay within their recommendations for focal length vs torsional rigidity if you don't want to regret a $700 purchase.

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Jan 26, 2019 09:13:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Grace98 wrote:
I think your diminutive friend must be extremely strong. I'm 65, 5'2", 126 lbs and cannot hold the lens steady at focal length of 600mm. I rented the Tamron 150-600 G2 (which is lighter than the Sigma version) for 3 days and just couldn't hold it steady. I only managed to get sharp photos at 150mm.
After 3 days walking around with it, my back and neck ached.


She's old school Ukrainian - and old school strong.

Here are two of her shots when she was using my D800 and Sigma Sport 150-600

We hiked 2.5 miles in and 2.5 miles out in soft sand to get to where this snowy was in NJ at Island Beach State Park. She carried the lens and camera by herself. It was on a Black Rapid sling strap.


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Jan 26, 2019 09:18:35   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
robertjerl wrote:
First, what is your budget?
I use a Nest gimbal head on a Nest Tripod. They are carbon fiber and therefore lighter than some others.
MT Shooter here on the UHH is the US distributor for the heads as he was involved in their design (the US head is not the same as the international model you see on Amazon and Ebay).

https://www.cameracottage.com/apps/webstore/

You can get a head and medium weight tripod (MT refers to it as a light weight but it has a 44# weight rating-Nest NT-6324CT CF Tripod) for just about $600 plus tax and shipping. The head is fluid dampened and in two versions, the second being an Arctic model for cold weather or those who don't like the stiffness of the heavier dampening on the standard model).
I bought my head from MT Shooter and got my tripod second hand
First, what is your budget? br I use a Nest gimbal... (show quote)


With only 32mm top tubes and such a small apex, the Nest NT-6324CT lacks the rigidity to be stable with a 600mm lens, if you expect to lock the head and use a remote or delayed release.

Tripods with thicker legs offer far more torsional rigidity than those with skinny legs. This tripod does not have thick legs.

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Jan 26, 2019 09:32:14   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
queencitysanta wrote:
I also bought a Nest from Carter at Carter’s Camera Cottage. MT Shooter @ UHH couldn’t be happier


Bought? I would have thought you would have ask Santa for it.

Do you know Larry Propp?

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Jan 26, 2019 09:44:36   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 


Big time.!!!!!!

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Jan 26, 2019 09:48:53   #
Duff
 
I found a MOVO carbon fiber gimbal on Amazon for under 150.00 that i am quite happy with. And for a tripod i use the Induro cf CLT303 for my D850 and Nikon 200 500,also the Induro CLT 203 tripod is lighter and will hold the weight.

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Jan 26, 2019 09:52:13   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
Duff wrote:
I found a MOVO carbon fiber gimbal on Amazon for under 150.00 that i am quite happy with. And for a tripod i use the Induro cf CLT303 for my D850 and Nikon 200 500,also the Induro CLT 203 tripod is lighter and will hold the weight.

That’s the one. I have the Movo. Excellent piece for the money.

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Jan 26, 2019 09:54:32   #
CO
 


I've used the Wimberly WH200. It's probably the best you can get. It has finely adjustable dampening on both axes. You can adjust it so it dampens jerky motion on the part of the photographer but not so much that it causes too much drag.

The Zenelli carbon fiber gimbal heads are very high end but very expensive. I don't have any experience with them but they look to awesome gimbal heads.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1086828-REG/zenelli_carbonzx_carbon_fiber_gimbal.html/?ap=y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIl6La9tqL4AIVjlcNCh1UpACTEAQYASABEgLllPD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=Y

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Jan 26, 2019 10:13:24   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Gene51 wrote:
With only 32mm top tubes and such a small apex, the Nest NT-6324CT lacks the rigidity to be stable with a 600mm lens, if you expect to lock the head and use a remote or delayed release.

Tripods with thicker legs offer far more torsional rigidity than those with skinny legs. This tripod does not have thick legs.


I sure wish I had known you back in the mid 60's when I bought my first of 8 tripods. Learned a lot over the years. The last tripod is from RRS and the upper legs are 37mm. I will not need to buy another tripod unless this one, it's not broken, couldn't be fixed by RRS. I have the leveling base and can change heads in a matter of seconds. I was using a Jobu gimbal head but have recently switched to the Manfrotto 504 video fluid head and I do shoot a Canon 600mm f/4.0. The video handle has been shortened and is mounted on the left side of the head sticking out to the front. Smoothest and steadiest set up I have ever used and yes I do use it for BIF (birds in flight). Your tripod info is spot on and could save people a lot of money, if they only listened. Thanks.

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Jan 26, 2019 10:51:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
RRS wrote:
Your tripod info is spot on and could save people a lot of money, if they only listened. Thanks.


You have to have a LOT of money to save a lot ......

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Jan 26, 2019 11:25:23   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
As others have said, like Gene51, if you will be purchasing a tripod get a good one up front. Not doing so will bring mediocre results, at best. RRS is simply the best, followed by Gitzo, IMHO. For a gimbal head I'd go with a wimbley or Nest. I have the original wimbley and it is a solid head. It is mounted on an 'old school' Bogen tripod (now Monfrotto) which seems to weigh about 1000 lbs! Works very well and since I use it seldom, I have no plans to upgrade. I would check with MTShooter @ what he might have used and his is the Distributor for Nest in the USA. A great guy. Best of luck.

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Jan 26, 2019 11:38:57   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I took this first image earlier this morning with a 150-600 Sigma Sport @460mm and a D810, hand held.

But I took the second picture with the same camera and lens, @600mm, but at 1/25 sec also hand held. The third image is the full image that the second one was cropped from.

Are you sure you need a tripod and gimbal?

You may want to try shooting without a tripod - in the case of the cat picture - it was a feral cat - and had I set up the tripod and gimbal and put the camera on it, the cat would have been long gone, and you wouldn't be looking at the "grab" shot I posted. You'll be surprised at how effective the optical stabilization is on the current lenses. I certainly was. I have had this lens 2 1/2 yrs, and have taken 6,000 pictures, and have yet to use a tripod with it. You might call it my wildlife "walkaround" lens.

I also have a 600mm F4 which, together with the camera and battery pack, weighs nearly 14 lbs - it is not possible to hand hold that thing.

If you decide to get a tripod - the minimal tripod I would get would be one that has a top leg tube diameter of 37mm or bigger. Gitzo Series 4, Leofoto LN364C, RRS Versa 3, Feisol CT3372 or 3472, or comparable - will be the correct tripod. The least costly would be the Leofoto and the Feisol, both are under $600. As far as a gimbal is concerned, I use a simple Manfrotto 393 - which is indestructible - and I paid $180 for it.

If you don't want to invest the $$, then don't. Save your money - getting an inadequate tripod would be a terrible waste of good money for you. You always need to make decisions like tripods for the worst case scenario - which would be a 600mm lens, which will vibrate on an unstable tripod - anything less than the Leofoto or the Feisol falls into that category. Just because you only use your Tamron occasionally does not diminish the need for stability. If you use it once a year, you'll still need the stability. If you use it 5x a week, then I would consider an RRS tripod - expensive but there is a great company that stands behind it's products and has exceptionally good customer service. I can personally speak about Feisol's customer service - which is also very good on the two occasions I have used them in the past 12 yrs with my CT3472.

BTW, my diminutive friend - a 66 yr old woman, 4'11" and 100 lbs - uses her Tamron G2 150-600 and a D800 hand held as well - she doesn't own a tripod. And she gets exceptional results.
I took this first image earlier this morning with ... (show quote)

"...You'll be surprised at how effective the optical stabilization is on the current lenses. I certainly was."

Me too! IS systems are amazing and getting more so. If not quite enough, consider a short monopod with tilt head tucked behind your belt. If you use a ball head, you can tuck the monopod foot in a pants pocket.

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