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Dec 29, 2018 03:13:41   #
ChristianHJensen
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Yes Sir, The Metz line of flash equipment is indeed time-honored for quality and longevity. The classic 402 and 502 power pack portables were virtually indestructible- some are still in service since the 1970s. Currently, in the speedlight types their model 64AF-1 is there flagship unit, They are well constructed and a bit more powerful than the average speelight but the are by no means inexpensive. Up here in Canada they are listed at $569.99- perhas a bit less in the U.S. There may be a few less costly models but I am not familiar with the entire line. Generally, German made electronics are excellent- well engineered and made and are understandably, more costly but the value is there.

There are other manufactures (Q-Flash, Norman, Lumadyne) each with various incarnations of on-camera flash units and systems. Some go into the thousands of dollars and have more versatile features such as interchangeable reflectors, bare-bulb operation,higher power output and built in radio-slave/ exposure data transmitters. I suggested the ones in the moderate price category. I assumed that the OP is ready for a better quality flash unit, however, I didn't think he wants to go from $39. to $500+

When I suggest or recommend anything, here on this site, I always confine my recommendation to equipment that I have used, serviced or have first hand information about from colleagues and other photograhers that I have worked with and whose opinions I value.

Thank you for reminding me about the Metz gear. If you have used one, I would be interested to know about it's actual performance and how it is superior to some of the equivalent or similar Canon and Nikon speedlights. Let me know if you have a chance.

Incidentally,I don't sell any brand of flash gear, nor do I represent any of the aforementioned brands. I just use 'em and fix'em. The units I custom made, back in the day were 800 watt.seconds and up.
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I have used several of their units - including my current one, which is the 64AF. What you get compared to the "nicanons" is a better build quality, A nice backlit touchscreen interface - rotating with the camera orientation, a bit faster recycling, a bit higher output, fully Nikon compatible incl TTL, HSS, front and back curtain synch, modeling light, USB port for updating the firmware, probably longer life - for a little less $$$ - I think I paid just under US$400. They do also have smaller units, which are obviously cheaper but same high quality. I think their leading role comes from having made top end on-camera flashes for a lot longer than nicanon

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Dec 29, 2018 03:16:56   #
ChristianHJensen
 
williejoha wrote:
While Metz makes a good flash, if you want 100% integration with your camera use the Canon flash with your Canon camera.
WJH

So do tell - what does a canon speedlight do that a Metz doesn't?

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Dec 29, 2018 10:26:28   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
I have used several of their units - including my current one, which is the 64AF. What you get compared to the "nicanons" is a better build quality, A nice backlit touchscreen interface - rotating with the camera orientation, a bit faster recycling, a bit higher output, fully Nikon compatible incl TTL, HSS, front and back curtain synch, modeling light, USB port for updating the firmware, probably longer life - for a little less $$$ - I think I paid just under US$400. They do also have smaller units, which are obviously cheaper but same high quality. I think their leading role comes from having made top end on-camera flashes for a lot longer than nicanon
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Fortunately, when the original Metz company (which built TVs, Radios and other electronics as well as flashes) went bankrupt in 2014 (after being in business since the 40s), they were split up into two companies - the part that built TVs moved production to China, but the flash group is alive and well and still building flashes in Germany with typical German quality.

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Dec 29, 2018 11:32:25   #
polskasila
 
Be very careful when buying/using an e-flash as some will actually burn out the electronics in the camera if not a compatible fit.
Jim K.

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Dec 29, 2018 11:38:23   #
ChristianHJensen
 
TriX wrote:
Fortunately, when the original Metz company (which built TVs, Radios and other electronics as well as flashes) went bankrupt in 2014 (after being in business since the 40s), they were split up into two companies - the part that built TVs moved production to China, but the flash group is alive and well and still building flashes in Germany with typical German quality.


Yep - one great product/company saved from the Chinese death

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Dec 29, 2018 15:47:23   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
I have used several of their units - including my current one, which is the 64AF. What you get compared to the "nicanons" is a better build quality, A nice backlit touchscreen interface - rotating with the camera orientation, a bit faster recycling, a bit higher output, fully Nikon compatible incl TTL, HSS, front and back curtain synch, modeling light, USB port for updating the firmware, probably longer life - for a little less $$$ - I think I paid just under US$400. They do also have smaller units, which are obviously cheaper but same high quality. I think their leading role comes from having made top end on-camera flashes for a lot longer than nicanon
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Thanks for the information.

I have an old Mecablitz (Metz- original name for its flashs gear) unit here that came in for repairs some time back and was never picked up. I remember whe we got into the innards, all the part were German made including the Siemens capacitors which are smaller in physical size but have as high ratings as larger ones- less weight and more punch. You current unit has the same kind of capacitors as well as all German-made components. Some of the other name brand units have kind of a shmorgesboard of componants- some good and some, well, not the best. Also many of the unts are marketed under the camera name brands but are not made in the camera factories- te are sub-contracted out to other factories in Asia. So- you end up paying the extra bucks for the "name" and the national advertising. I am not saying this via hearsay or scuttlebut. It's just that when you take some of theses units apart for repairs or modifications, well- some of the are like a dog's breakfast. Nonetheless, many of them work decently enough and manage to survive under casual use. Once the are exposed to the rigors of professional use or have to stand up to long duty cycles- they quit.

Frankley, most of the Canon and Nikon units that I have word on are alright, however, the Metz gear will probably outlast many of the others. As far as I know, the Metz units integrate well with the cameras that the are specified for. I haven't heard of any incompatibilities as yet.

When I was running my shop, most of the units that were brought in with serious malfunctions did not self-destruct- they were abused or poorly maintained. Most of my customers in that business were professionals and many of them can kill just about anything. I won't even write about the guys who attempted DIY repairs and made matters worse- that's when a unit is irreparably damaged to save a $35.00 minor repair bill.

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