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Dec 29, 2018 07:07:51   #
wooden_ships
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Additionally the father says now that the reason he brought his child was because the democrats told him that if he brings his child across Mexico with no water, food or medicine to the US border that the US will let him in no questions asked. Then they can chain migrate the rest of the family in.


unlikely any American went to Guatemala and told indigents that.... talk about fake news....

Border security - yes; sanctuary cities - no; border wall as a solution - in your dreams! $25 billion is the estimate now and it will climb. Did you ever really believe that Mexico would pay for it?? Either you did (incredibly naïve) or you didn't (and foisted a lie on the rest of us). How about better, more cost effective security? Fly drones with an always ready, "rapid response", helo-based response team? The drug cartels have unlimited access to C-4. It would be in their self-interest to blow holes in the wall and let the Americans be distracted into unending repairs. Stop drinking the cool-aid and think for yourself. People who oppose the wall aren't anti-American, they are anti-waste and anti-corruption.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:20:02   #
wooden_ships
 
Architect1776 wrote:
There is a Constitutional right to owning a firearm if you haven't noticed.
There is absolutely no Constitutional right to enter this country in any form, it is a privilege granted by the government. All else is criminal activity.

Perhaps internally we need to teach morals, Christian principles and value for life here in the USA. Instead we are teaching that life is meaningless and can be terminated if we don't want it. More people are killed by drugs daily (Result of open borders) Drugs are illegal, how has that worked out? Automobiles kill and maim more people than guns do. So I propose that we ban automobiles seeing as even licensing them, requiring a license to use them and strict safety requirements has not stopped the senseless slaughter on our highways. Also all the murders as a result of knives and bats. We absolutely must ban them as well so as to save just one life.
There is a Constitutional right to owning a firear... (show quote)


The NRA has framed the issue of guns as an "us versus them" issue. It's not. Improved gun control is NOT about taking guns away from honest, law abiding citizens; it is about ensuring that a gun license is granted to someone who has proven they can be trusted.... you know, like a teenager must pass a driver's test before getting a license. As much as I may disagree with gun owner's and their need for guns, I don't ever think about having the government confiscating them; even to me, that would be breaking the law.


THe NRA doesn't serve the best interests of law abiding gun owners, they serve themselves - for profit. To me, the NRA is like someone you know but don't care for.... they come up and put their arm around as if in friendship when their real intent is to take your wallet.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:21:54   #
wooden_ships
 
travelwp wrote:
When you are talking WAR, you must start with that Nobel Peace Prize winner, who got us into a bunch of them.


What planet are you from? That's just a plain lie.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:23:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
travelwp wrote:
When you are talking WAR, you must start with that Nobel Peace Prize winner, who got us into a bunch of them.



Especially when the award is made to the dirtbag for doing nothing immediately after being elected.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:24:49   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
Architect1776 wrote:
No border security, sanctuary state has cost another American life, Cpl. Ronil Singh. Taken away from his family permanently Christmas day.
How many lives must be taken and families separated and destroyed, children's parents murdered and children murdered before we get serious and seal the borders and remove the scum that are here illegally destroying lives.


The Trump administration did not spend all of the money it was given last year for border security.

The only thing Trump has done is to keep his base of fools stirred up to boost his ego.

The fools who think a great big beautiful 50 foot tall wall will protect their scared rear ends are just that 'fools'.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:25:56   #
wooden_ships
 
Rose42 wrote:
Human life starts at conception. Abortion is legalized murder.


Rose, human viability does not start at conception. If a fetus can survive ex utero, then I have a serious objection to abortion; however, if it cannot, abortion is not a crime. There are several situations in which there is a need for a woman to have access to an abortion. Speaking for myself, I think late-term abortion is awful and wish it was not allowed.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:27:10   #
wooden_ships
 
travelwp wrote:
Keep this in mind: for most of the cases, abortion means ONE LESS DEMOCRAT.


A new low.... even for you.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:27:31   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
Feb. 2016:

"Specifics aren't really Donald Trump's thing. How are we going to make America great again? By winning. Oh, okay. Cool. How will we beat the Islamic State? Bombing them. Got it. We're nine months into this thing; you don't really need more examples.

The thing about which he's offered the most details, naturally, is his wall on the Mexican border. We know his plan for paying for that: Mexico foots the bill. (To which Mexico replies, "lol.") We know it will be concrete, and we know that it will have a "big, beautiful door" in it, so the "good ones" came come on in.

What we don't know, though, is the most important number: How high it will be? Trump's been vague about this and has a recent applause-grabbing habit of randomly increasing the height. So we did our best to figure out how big this thing was going to be.
August

One of the first mentions of specifics on Trump's wall came in a speech last August.

"So you take precast plank," Trump said. "It comes 30 feet long, 40 feet long, 50 feet long. You see the highways where they can span 50, 60 feet, even longer than that, right? And do you a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything. Just perfect."

He added: "I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it the Trump Wall.""

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Dec 29, 2018 07:30:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
wooden_ships wrote:
The NRA has framed the issue of guns as an "us versus them" issue. It's not. Improved gun control is NOT about taking guns away from honest, law abiding citizens; it is about ensuring that a gun license is granted to someone who has proven they can be trusted.... you know, like a teenager must pass a driver's test before getting a license. As much as I may disagree with gun owner's and their need for guns, I don't ever think about having the government confiscating them; even to me, that would be breaking the law.


THe NRA doesn't serve the best interests of law abiding gun owners, they serve themselves - for profit. To me, the NRA is like someone you know but don't care for.... they come up and put their arm around as if in friendship when their real intent is to take your wallet.
The NRA has framed the issue of guns as an "u... (show quote)


You know absolutely nothing about the NRA and are clueless about democrats wet dream of disarming Americans.
The 2nd amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Never did never will. You never read nor understood American history or the purpose of the 2nd amendment as written and the extensive writings by the founders on the subject. Also many state constitutions have very similar wording as far as firearms are concerned for example the PA one. Orf course as a card carrying hate America, the Constitution and individual liberty person you can't be bothered by facts just DNC propaganda and talking points.
Until you study our founding especially the 1st and 2nd amendments by the founders you will remain ignorant and it will be like explaining physics to my cats talking any further on this subject with you as it is way beyond your ability to comprehend.

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Dec 29, 2018 07:48:55   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
wooden_ships wrote:
unlikely any American went to Guatemala and told indigents that.... talk about fake news....

Border security - yes; sanctuary cities - no; border wall as a solution - in your dreams! $25 billion is the estimate now and it will climb. Did you ever really believe that Mexico would pay for it?? Either you did (incredibly naïve) or you didn't (and foisted a lie on the rest of us). How about better, more cost effective security? Fly drones with an always ready, "rapid response", helo-based response team? The drug cartels have unlimited access to C-4. It would be in their self-interest to blow holes in the wall and let the Americans be distracted into unending repairs. Stop drinking the cool-aid and think for yourself. People who oppose the wall aren't anti-American, they are anti-waste and anti-corruption.
unlikely any American went to Guatemala and told i... (show quote)


The border wall has worked wonderfully for Israel.
What we do have worked wonderfully on our southern border as well.
This surge of illegals would never have been stopped without the current bit of wall we do have. They would have completely overwhelmed any security force seeing as democrats will not allow the use of force to keep the criminals out.
This is an are where there are no tour busses or fake news media but just a small 2 track dirt road I drive my Jeep on.
Had they tried to enter in AZ about 150 miles east of Nogales they would have been able to flood in with no resistance at all.
Here is are 2 photos of the border, the little barbed wire fence in the background denotes the boundary between the USA and Mexico. Note the posts are just some mesquite wood branches.


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Dec 29, 2018 08:22:23   #
Rose42
 
mwalsh wrote:
Seems shallow to think humanness vests by something as arbitrary as the slicing of a cord or the commencement of breath after slapping...

I find the idea of when humanness vests in the lump of cells quite intriguing. I am convinced it occurs long before physical birth, but don't know that it happens at conception.

What if it does though?


Does' science consider amoebas life? Or bacteria? If life exists in such simple organisms how can one say a human life doesn't exist until later?

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Dec 29, 2018 08:24:24   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rose42 wrote:
Does' science consider amoebas life? Or bacteria? If life exists in such simple organisms how can one say a human life doesn't exist until later?



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Dec 29, 2018 08:24:59   #
Rose42
 
jcboy3 wrote:
That is an unsustainable position.

It would require criminalization of most birth control, it would require criminal investigation of miscarriages and still births. If any conception does not result in a healthy birth, then it must be investigated for criminal wrongdoing.


No it isn't unsustainable. None of that was done before abortion became legal. Common sense applies here unless one is a lawyer.

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Dec 29, 2018 08:34:35   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Architect1776 wrote:
The border wall has worked wonderfully for Israel.
What we do have worked wonderfully on our southern border as well.
This surge of illegals would never have been stopped without the current bit of wall we do have. They would have completely overwhelmed any security force seeing as democrats will not allow the use of force to keep the criminals out.
This is an are where there are no tour busses or fake news media but just a small 2 track dirt road I drive my Jeep on.
Had they tried to enter in AZ about 150 miles east of Nogales they would have been able to flood in with no resistance at all.
Here is are 2 photos of the border, the little barbed wire fence in the background denotes the boundary between the USA and Mexico. Note the posts are just some mesquite wood branches.
The border wall has worked wonderfully for Israel.... (show quote)


The problem isn't that Demorats don't think the wall will work but that Trump will get the credit when it does.

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Dec 29, 2018 08:35:44   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rose42 wrote:
No it isn't unsustainable. None of that was done before abortion became legal. Common sense applies here unless one is a lawyer.


It amazes me though how abortion apologists will defend the killing of children before birth and go to the mat to preserve it.
Yet they are the first to want to remove the Constitutionally preserved by name the God given right to own a firearm.
Interesting.

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