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Dec 27, 2018 11:01:41   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
Being an experienced Producer and an Art Director in PS I use a op trick.
Pull the slider up high and pull down until it is sounds what is needed only.
In PS Is go into on basic PR photos I used adjustments B&W and saturation
pulling sliders up and backing off until it appears their as an enhancement.
Sharpness nudge is really good but I do see too much sharpening today.
Less is more is really true.

PS a while back I posted this topic: Photography / video film making have become totally dominated by post processing.
Boy did I get a lot of grief over asking a perfectly logical question.
A gentlemen recently said here "I dont like garish PS on photos".
Being an experienced Producer and an Art Director ... (show quote)


Thanks Tom, I'll try that trick with the saturation slider.

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Dec 27, 2018 11:04:44   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
I do like both views but would first say that I can't judge well on a digital screen--my eye responds to a real print, which of course is a horse of a different color. Exposure is hard to evaluate on a screen (for me) because it is so reliant on the equipment and settings there, and in any case the resolution of a good monitor is limited.

The second has bolder elements because they are bigger in the frame, especially the waterfall of course. In the first, I feel the top is cropped too thin (some more sky gives natural proportion), but the same top in the second is a better balance. I would aim the second slightly to the right (as in the first take) so the water is not dead center. (Don't know why, I just would.)

The basic view is interesting in its complexity--all the parts are interesting without being busy or choking the main elements, and I like the small aperture focus of everything. The first thing I see after the waterfall is the close and far rock faces, as I scan the frame for all the elements--the little tree is nice. The flow of water is shown but not exaggerated to an artificial extent. On a paper print, especially in black and white, I want to see some real blacks, rich and deep, but in color, and on a screen, not so much--I like the lighter rendering of the rock faces at the top of the second picture, as their details add to the sense of sharpness. In color I am more comfortable if almost everything falls between zone 3 and zone 8, as the extremes fall outside reality, and you stretch this but not much.

It might be worth shooting this in a square format to start and keeping it there. Or try a wider angle vertical. Everything we can do in the camera has a different result than if we do it later. If you also shoot film, this is a great candidate for black and white, exposing for the shadows and developing for the highlights to cover the whole scale. (I am not fond of digital black and white--again, don't know why. Maybe it is the limitations of the video screen.)
I do like both views but would first say that I ca... (show quote)


Thank you Charles for that reply full of insight and suggestions. I'm taking note for future shots. (I go to this waterfall at least once a year.)

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Dec 27, 2018 12:08:26   #
bertloomis Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
I prefer crop B looking at the photos in this relatively small size. I don't know for sure if my opinion would change for a full screen view.

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Dec 27, 2018 12:33:45   #
Meadwilliam
 
A. More interesting textures and the upper left sky is less distracting. Is it Pisgah?

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Dec 27, 2018 12:34:56   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
bertloomis wrote:
I prefer crop B looking at the photos in this relatively small size. I don't know for sure if my opinion would change for a full screen view.


Thank you bertloomis

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Dec 27, 2018 12:37:07   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Meadwilliam wrote:
A. More interesting textures and the upper left sky is less distracting. Is it Pisgah?


Thanks William, it is Looking Glass Falls near Brevard, NC and yes it is in the Pisgah National Forest.

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Dec 27, 2018 13:00:38   #
AlohaBob Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
A

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Dec 27, 2018 13:14:30   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
AlohaBob wrote:
A


Thanks Bob

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Dec 27, 2018 13:54:20   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
tomad wrote:
I have a fundamental problem with post processing in that I don't know when to quit, i.e., I can't even decide what amount of processing I like best. So I'm coming to you hoggers with several options of several photos to give me your learned opinions. I have several sets of photos to compare so if you would like to help me please keep looking at the thread as I will post more after I get some opinions on each set. Thank you in advance

Set 1, which crop?


One of the issues is that your two choices are different sizes. In our camera club reviews of other camera clubs prints, the larger ones almost always win out.

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Dec 27, 2018 15:59:00   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Thanks for that, latebloomer.

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Dec 27, 2018 16:26:12   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
B for me.

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Dec 27, 2018 17:13:27   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
Of course it's very subjective, but to my eye, the waterfall is too centered, that leaves the visual weights of the photo unbalanced.
Cropping in from the right, I think, results in a more pleasant photo,



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Dec 27, 2018 17:26:47   #
WadeH Loc: Texas
 
I like crop A, seems to have more depth to the image.

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Dec 27, 2018 18:16:56   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
tomad wrote:
I have a fundamental problem with post processing in that I don't know when to quit, i.e., I can't even decide what amount of processing I like best. So I'm coming to you hoggers with several options of several photos to give me your learned opinions. I have several sets of photos to compare so if you would like to help me please keep looking at the thread as I will post more after I get some opinions on each set. Thank you in advance

Set 1, which crop?

I am going with A

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Dec 27, 2018 18:30:24   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
Depends on what you want to highlight. Waterfall? probably B, The environment? A

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