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Aug 20, 2012 10:15:37   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Workers' have taken many pay cuts. Have prices gone down? NO They have paid for the CEO's bonuses. Cut wages, increase prices. What's not to love? That's the mantra of corporatists all over the world. Got to keep that profit margin growing, and really, workers are a dime a dozen, eh? Workers operate from a position of fear and corporations know that. Unions are what took that fear and did something positive with it. But instead of trying to reform the unions when they got too big for their britches, we called for their demise. We will regret it.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:18:46   #
dtcracer
 
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


The Huffington Post is a left wing propaganda agency. It is equivalent to Fox News.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:19:15   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)


Whoa! Somebody tells it like it is! whoo hoo! This whole anti-Obama thing is nothing more that bigotry at its finest, no matter how much it is denied. Even the "anti-Christ" Clinton was not vilified as much as Obama is by the right wing.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:23:12   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Like Obama hasn't flipped?...Gay Marriage, borrowing from the Chinese...The list goes on. They all do it. Not worthy of a debate about it

Kit Lens wrote:
Sarge,
That's just one of the things that Ryan has flipped on. I think as all these things come out, some of his supporters will be quite surprised.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:24:15   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
The only hypocrite and liar is Mr. Obama.
Why has not him gone after and prosecute top financial executives for causing this economic debacle we are in?
These financial executives lied and manipulated regulated data to make their respective companies look financially strong and profitable to investors who lost hundreds of billions. Lives have been ruined. Until these corrupted executives are prosecuted the Congress and the White House the trust of we the people will not be restored.
Why give money to financial institutions who caused this mess?
Why not give the money to facilitate refinance upside down mortgages of homeowners who have never miss a payment?
Oh no, they go and create rescue programs for people who should not have been qualified to begin with.
Obama is an incompetent hypocritical lying president.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:29:41   #
dtcracer
 
amyinsparta wrote:
tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)


Whoa! Somebody tells it like it is! whoo hoo! This whole anti-Obama thing is nothing more that bigotry at its finest, no matter how much it is denied. Even the "anti-Christ" Clinton was not vilified as much as Obama is by the right wing.
quote=tschmath What do any of these replies excep... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with bigotry. That is the good ole fall back all of you liberals run to when you can't defend your stand. Just because someone is Republican or Conservative and does not agree with the poor job that the President is doing does not make them bigoted. The ones who are truly bigoted are the ones who continuosly scream racism in response to any disagreement that is presented to them, there must be some reason that it is always on the tip of their tongue. The days of discrimination and seeinng everything in black and white are long gone for the most part, with the exception of a few remaining racist. It would die out completely if all of you people screaming racism would let it go!

Ryan is no more of a hypocrite than any other politician. Remember Obama waffling on the gay marriage issue? Conveniently in time for election wasn't it? Maybe all of you liberals are racist against white politicians?

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Aug 20, 2012 10:35:09   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
dtcracer wrote:
amyinsparta wrote:
tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)


Whoa! Somebody tells it like it is! whoo hoo! This whole anti-Obama thing is nothing more that bigotry at its finest, no matter how much it is denied. Even the "anti-Christ" Clinton was not vilified as much as Obama is by the right wing.
quote=tschmath What do any of these replies excep... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with bigotry. That is the good ole fall back all of you liberals run to when you can't defend your stand. Just because someone is Republican or Conservative and does not agree with the poor job that the President is doing does not make them bigoted. The ones who are truly bigoted are the ones who continuosly scream racism in response to any disagreement that is presented to them, there must be some reason that it is always on the tip of their tongue. The days of discrimination and seeinng everything in black and white are long gone for the most part, with the exception of a few remaining racist. It would die out completely if all of you people screaming racism would let it go!

Ryan is no more of a hypocrite than any other politician. Remember Obama waffling on the gay marriage issue? Conveniently in time for election wasn't it? Maybe all of you liberals are racist against white politicians?
quote=amyinsparta quote=tschmath What do any of ... (show quote)


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Aug 20, 2012 10:48:33   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
dtcracer wrote:
amyinsparta wrote:
tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)


Whoa! Somebody tells it like it is! whoo hoo! This whole anti-Obama thing is nothing more that bigotry at its finest, no matter how much it is denied. Even the "anti-Christ" Clinton was not vilified as much as Obama is by the right wing.
quote=tschmath What do any of these replies excep... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with bigotry. That is the good ole fall back all of you liberals run to when you can't defend your stand. Just because someone is Republican or Conservative and does not agree with the poor job that the President is doing does not make them bigoted. The ones who are truly bigoted are the ones who continuosly scream racism in response to any disagreement that is presented to them, there must be some reason that it is always on the tip of their tongue. The days of discrimination and seeinng everything in black and white are long gone for the most part, with the exception of a few remaining racist. It would die out completely if all of you people screaming racism would let it go!

Ryan is no more of a hypocrite than any other politician. Remember Obama waffling on the gay marriage issue? Conveniently in time for election wasn't it? Maybe all of you liberals are racist against white politicians?
quote=amyinsparta quote=tschmath What do any of ... (show quote)


Bigotry, well for your information, I am black hispanic. I am against Obama and the likes regardless of skin tone. I am against them on principles and values.

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Aug 20, 2012 10:51:33   #
dtcracer
 
PhotoGator wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
amyinsparta wrote:
tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)


Whoa! Somebody tells it like it is! whoo hoo! This whole anti-Obama thing is nothing more that bigotry at its finest, no matter how much it is denied. Even the "anti-Christ" Clinton was not vilified as much as Obama is by the right wing.
quote=tschmath What do any of these replies excep... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with bigotry. That is the good ole fall back all of you liberals run to when you can't defend your stand. Just because someone is Republican or Conservative and does not agree with the poor job that the President is doing does not make them bigoted. The ones who are truly bigoted are the ones who continuosly scream racism in response to any disagreement that is presented to them, there must be some reason that it is always on the tip of their tongue. The days of discrimination and seeinng everything in black and white are long gone for the most part, with the exception of a few remaining racist. It would die out completely if all of you people screaming racism would let it go!

Ryan is no more of a hypocrite than any other politician. Remember Obama waffling on the gay marriage issue? Conveniently in time for election wasn't it? Maybe all of you liberals are racist against white politicians?
quote=amyinsparta quote=tschmath What do any of ... (show quote)


Bigotry, well for your information, I am black hispanic. I am against Obama and the likes regardless of skin tone. I am against them on principles and values.
quote=dtcracer quote=amyinsparta quote=tschmath... (show quote)


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Aug 20, 2012 11:49:26   #
Phyllis Loc: NE PA
 
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)



Just more proof of how full of sh-t politicians are.

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Aug 20, 2012 12:17:08   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Next; " paycheck equality ".

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Aug 20, 2012 12:43:26   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
Phyllis wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)



Just more proof of how full of sh-t politicians are.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)


There you go - the truth emerges in one simple and short sentence segment.

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Aug 20, 2012 12:49:32   #
wpromine
 
The old saying "Never Say Never" has one exception---NEVER discuss religion or politics! You're not going to change anyone's mind.

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Aug 20, 2012 13:18:31   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


You are right. Your statements are right on. I was watching on CNN this morning when Romney and Ryan were in N.H. campaigning. They stated one lie after another about the President and his policies. You listen to the two very carefully and they speak a good talk about what they will do but after listening to them they don't bring any how to's forward on subjects they bring up. Just we will do this and that but don't elaborate on how they will do the things they speak of. Just a bunch of double talking politicians who think they can fool the public. I hope people will wake up and realize they have no real sound solutions only bold faced lies to bring forward.

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Aug 20, 2012 13:21:05   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Obama's no different. He's been lying as well. Go to fact check if you don't believe me...

Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


You are right. Your statements are right on. I was watching on CNN this morning when Romney and Ryan were in N.H. campaigning. They stated one lie after another about the President and his policies. You listen to the two very carefully and they speak a good talk about what they will do but after listening to them they don't bring any how to's forward on subjects they bring up. Just we will do this and that but don't elaborate on how they will do the things they speak of. Just a bunch of double talking politicians who think they can fool the public. I hope people will wake up and realize they have no real sound solutions only bold faced lies to bring forward.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)

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