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Dec 7, 2018 02:06:51   #
RAR_man Loc: stow, MA
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Why are you citing Communistic countries? As I kept pointing out, communism and socialism are very different things. China is very Capitalistic --- just look at our trade deficit.

And the other countries you list are all capitalistic as well. You don't think the US invented capitalism, do you? It's been around since the dawn of time.

And the essence of Capitalism is that everything -- EVERYTHING -- has a price, and can be bought and sold. And that includes people.


Everything sure has a price. My blood, sweat, tears paying for idlers. Of course, I exclude and give willing to those truly in need.
Capitalism doesnt breed mediocrity like socialism. Even in socialism and communism there are the haves and have-nots thru power and corruption.

Docs in UK/social are under paid and overworked. Shortage of docs there. The less skilled tend to stay on.

With tort reform and insurance reform (allowing to compete across state lines), our system (easily the best in the world) would be better and more affordable.

I've experienced social medicine in NZ and I'll take what we have in the USA over that. BTW, it was good but can't compare to ours

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Dec 7, 2018 11:48:48   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Again you are confusing the two. Communism failed. Socialism is succeeding in many countries. Not pure socialism, but pure capitalism hadn't worked either (it gave us slavery)


BS: Your so full of it, Socialism is not long lasting it always fails if you can’t see this you are mentally blind.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:44:17   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
To all of you people who don't like socialism, Stop talking and do something about, turn in your social security's checks, medicare card, Star Program for school tax. Vet's programs and ect. What? You don't want to do that. Than, SHUT THE F@%* UP!


None of that is socialism, but thanks for proving the point.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:46:19   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Again you are confusing the two. Communism failed. Socialism is succeeding in many countries. Not pure socialism, but pure capitalism hadn't worked either (it gave us slavery)


Slavery is not capitalism, but you are a clueless tool of your party masters.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:48:44   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
None of that is socialism, but thanks for proving the point.


Actually, all of those are socialism, but thanks for proving the point you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:50:05   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
Slavery is not capitalism, but you are a clueless tool of your party masters.


The principle of capitalism is that everything has a price, and everything can be bought & sold.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:57:21   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Actually, all of those are socialism, but thanks for proving the point you have no idea what you are talking about.


Socialism definition is - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

It has nothing to do the risibly false claims you made.

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Dec 20, 2018 07:59:55   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
The principle of capitalism is that everything has a price, and everything can be bought & sold.


capitalism = slavery is perhaps the most ridiculous claim I have seen you make.

Capitalism definition is - an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

You really shouldn't use big words without knowing what they mean.

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Dec 20, 2018 08:13:19   #
wooden_ships
 
WNYShooter wrote:
The guy who wrote this piece has a PhD in Economics, and has been teaching it as a College professor for almost 4 decades, what are your qualifications?


The “Daily Signal” is a discredited right-wing “news” source. They make Hannity seem downright reasonable!

Since when do right-wing extremists like you look favorably on universities (a “liberal” hotbed of socialists)? Lol - the hypocrisy of the right wing is terrific theater.

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Dec 20, 2018 08:17:20   #
wooden_ships
 
LWW wrote:
C

Right wing dictators are a myth.

Tell that to trump, the right-wing wannabe dictator.

Get real ruskie... you seem to have an endless supply of feces.

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Dec 20, 2018 08:21:08   #
wooden_ships
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
To all of you people who don't like socialism, Stop talking and do something about, turn in your social security's checks, medicare card, Star Program for school tax. Vet's programs and ect. What? You don't want to do that. Than, SHUT THE F@%* UP!

Oh, and let them put out the fire when their home is in flames, and let them resort to their ideal of private justice when they were victimized by a criminal, etc.

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Dec 20, 2018 21:08:07   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
Socialism definition is - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.



Not quite.

Oxford Dictionaries via bing wrote:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


Now, getting back to the claim : "your social security's checks, medicare card, Star Program for school tax. Vet's programs and etc."


Each of those are about bring back to the community control of the production, distribution or exchange.

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Dec 20, 2018 21:12:16   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
capitalism = slavery is perhaps the most ridiculous claim I have seen you make.



Again, from Oxford dictionaries
Quote:
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.


I didn't say it equaled slavery. I said it brought about slavery.

Ending slavery required part of the country's trade & industry be controlled by the state. You cannot prevent slavery in a purely capitalistic society.

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Dec 20, 2018 21:21:02   #
RAR_man Loc: stow, MA
 
Soviet Union had lots of slavery. Probably still does. Gulags are all about forced labor.

China still has slavery. Their political prisoners are most often in labor camps.

Slavery is an ancient institution. Native Americans were into kidnapping from other tribes (and whites) and enslaving them. Certainly not supporting slavery in any way, but with or without Capitalism, slavery has existed and will continue to exist.

Not sure why anyone would even bring this subject up as part of a discussion of capitalism vs. socialism

As for Social Security, I sure wish we had a choice of subscribing or not. I could have done much better investing my money than the government (nothing new there). Government performance will generally be below the performance of the private sector.

Just not sure why anyone would want to give more money to government. I'd rather see the government help people out of the cycle of poverty and welfare than encouraging some to leech off the dole.

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Dec 20, 2018 22:39:27   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/05/our-ignorance-of-socialism-is-dangerous/

By Walter E. Williams

A recent Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation survey found that 51 percent of American millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist country than in a capitalist country. Only 42 percent prefer the latter.

Twenty-five percent of millennials who know who Vladimir Lenin was view him favorably. Lenin was the first premier of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Half of millennials have never heard of communist Mao Zedong, who ruled China from 1949 to 1959 and was responsible for the deaths of 45 million Chinese people.

The number of people who died at the hands of Josef Stalin may be as high as 62 million. However, almost one-third of millennials think former President George W. Bush is responsible for more killings than Stalin.

By the way, Adolf Hitler, head of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, was responsible for the deaths of about 20 million people. The Nazis come in as a poor third in terms of history’s most prolific mass murderers. According to professor Rudolph Rummel’s research, the 20th century, mankind’s most brutal century, saw 262 million people’s lives destroyed at the hands of their own governments.

Young people who weren’t alive during World War II and its Cold War aftermath might be forgiven for not knowing the horrors of socialism. Some of their beliefs represent their having been indoctrinated by their K-12 teachers and college professors.

There was such leftist hate for Bush that it’s not out of the question that those 32 percent of millennials were taught by their teachers and professors that Bush murdered more people than Stalin.

America’s communists, socialists, and Marxists have little knowledge of socialist history. Bradley Birzer, a professor of history at Hillsdale College, explains this in an article for The American Conservative titled “Socialists and Fascists Have Always Been Kissing Cousins.”

Joseph Goebbels wrote in 1925, “It would be better for us to end our existence under Bolshevism than to endure slavery under capitalism.” This Nazi sentiment might be shared by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his comrade Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. Goebbels added, “I think it is terrible that we and the communists are bashing in each other’s heads.”

When the tragedies of socialist regimes—such as those in Venezuela, the USSR, China, Cuba, and many others—are pointed out to America’s leftists, they hold up Sweden as their socialist role model. But they are absolutely wrong about Sweden.

Johan Norberg points this out in his documentary “Sweden: Lessons for America?” Americans might be surprised to learn that Sweden’s experiment with socialism was a relatively brief flirtation, lasting about 20 years and ending in disillusionment and reform.

Reason magazine reports:

Sweden began rolling back government in the early 1990s, recapturing the entrepreneurial spirit that made it a wealthy country to begin with. High taxation and a generous array of government benefits are still around. But now it’s also a nation of school vouchers, free trade, open immigration, light business regulation, and no minimum wage laws.

School vouchers, light business regulation, and no minimum wage laws are practices deeply offensive to America’s leftists.

Our young people are not the first Americans to admire tyrants and cutthroats. W.E.B. Du Bois, writing in the National Guardian in 1953, said, “Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature.” Walter Duranty called Stalin “the greatest living statesman” and “a quiet, unobtrusive man.”

There was even leftist admiration for Hitler and fellow fascist Benito Mussolini. When Hitler came to power in January 1933, George Bernard Shaw described him as “a very remarkable man, a very able man.” President Franklin Roosevelt called Mussolini “admirable,” and he was “deeply impressed by what he [had] accomplished.”

In 1972, John Kenneth Galbraith visited communist China and praised Mao and the Chinese economic system. His Harvard University colleague John K. Fairbank believed that America could learn much from the Cultural Revolution, saying, “Americans may find in China’s collective life today an ingredient of personal moral concern for one’s neighbor that has a lesson for us all.”

Are Americans who admire the world’s most brutal regimes miseducated or stupid? Or do they have some kind of devious agenda?
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/05/our-ignoran... (show quote)

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