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Dec 18, 2018 15:54:11   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Just found this :

“After completing a days-long, dangerous journey through remote and barren terrain, the child, who according to the father had not been able to consume water or food for days, began vomiting, went into sepsis shock and after receiving emergency treatment from U.S. Border Patrol Emergency Response Technicians (EMTs), air paramedics and emergency room personnel, died,”

Elaine2025 wrote:
That certainly is not what the lib fascist socialist dems want to hear.

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Dec 18, 2018 15:54:34   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
IDguy wrote:
I know lefties eschew actual facts. But here is the report on what happened:

“DHS Statement on Tragic Death of Minor at Border

Last week, on December 6, 2018, a child traveling with her father illegally entered the United States near Antelope Wells, New Mexico. After completing a days-long, dangerous journey through remote and barren terrain, the child, who according to the father had not been able to consume water or food for days, began vomiting, went into sepsis shock and after receiving emergency treatment from U.S. Border Patrol Emergency Response Technicians (EMTs), air paramedics and emergency room personnel, died.

Her death is incredibly tragic. The entire DHS family offers her family their prayers and thoughts. Unfortunately, her death is not unique. Each year, the Border Patrol identifies hundreds of people who either die attempting to illegally enter the United States, are injured in the attempt, or have to be rescued by Border Patrol. This past year alone Border Patrol rescued 4,311 people in distress. While rarely reported, this flood of injured or sick persons encountering our Border Patrol has resulted in the Border Patrol cross-training 1300 agents as EMTs. In this case, unfortunately, we did not encounter the child sooner.

As we have repeatedly said, traveling north illegally into the United States is extremely dangerous. Drug cartels, human smugglers and the elements pose deadly risks to anyone who attempts to cross the border illegally. Once again, we are begging parents to not put themselves or their children at risk by attempting to enter illegally. Please, we are begging you, present yourselves and your children at a port of entry and seek to enter legally and safely.

Below is a more in depth timeline of the event on December 6, 2018, prior to the child’s death on December 8, 2018. On December 6, 2018, at 2115 hours, a seven-year old Guatemalan minor and her father were apprehended within a group of 163 aliens near Forward Operating Base (FOB) Bounds. This is in a remote area of New Mexico adjacent to the Antelope Wells Port of Entry (POE). This large group was apprehended by three Border Patrol agents.

Given the remote location and size of the group they were moved to a covered area within the Bounds FOB (adjacent to the POE). Upon apprehension, the Border Patrol agents conducted an initial screening, which consists of an interview and observation of the detainee to identify any health or safety problems to ensure that they receive necessary medical care. The initial screening revealed no evidence of health issues. During the screening, the father denied that either he or his daughter were ill. This denial was recorded on Form I-779 signed by the father. At this time, they were offered water and food and had access to restrooms.

The Bounds POE and Antelope Wells POE were not constructed to hold any sizeable population of detainees. Therefore, those apprehended in this area are promptly transported to the nearest Border Patrol Station in Lordsburg – approximately 90 minutes away.

Around 2200, a transport bus was moved from the Lordsburg Border Patrol Station to FOB Bounds. It took around two hours for the bus to arrive at Bounds. Given the size of the group, and the capacity of the transport (50 people at a time), agents began transporting the detainees to Lordsburg in separate groups. The first group – unaccompanied alien children - left Bounds for Lordsburg at 0018 on December 7, 2018. It took the bus more than three hours to complete the round trip and return to Bounds for a second group of detainees. The bus returned to Bounds at 0400.

Around 0500, as the second group of detainees – including the child and father – was preparing to depart Bounds, the father advised Border Patrol agents that his child had become sick and was vomiting. Out of an abundance of caution, agents immediately requested that an EMT meet the bus on arrival at the Lordsburg station.

The transport bus arrived at the Lordsburg station shortly before 0630. At that point, the father notified agents that the child was not breathing. Border Patrol EMTs began medical care and requested an ambulance. At this point her temperature was 105.9 degrees. Agents providing medical care revived the child twice. An ambulance arrived at 0640. A decision was made to transport her by helicopter to a hospital (Lordsburg is more than four hours the El Paso Hospital by vehicle). A helicopter arrived at 0730 and departed at 0748. She arrived at Providence Children’s Hospital in El Paso, Texas at 0851. Border Patrol agents transported the father by vehicle to the hospital. The child received emergency room care and was transferred to the Pediatric ICU for additional care. Unfortunately, she passed away at 0035 on December 8, 2018. The initial indication from the Providence Hospital is that she passed due to sepsis shock. Her father was with her. The Guatemalan consulate was notified.

As stated above, the entire DHS community offers their condolences to the family of this child. We thank those Border Patrol agents who rendered life extending aide, and the first responders and emergency medical professionals in New Mexico and Texas who did all they could to save this child.”
I know lefties eschew actual facts. But here is th... (show quote)



it is ridiculous the the United States has to go through this process for criminals. Build the wall.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:19:05   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
thom w wrote:
While you may be right, I don’t believe we know this yet. If you have information that I wasn’t aware had been released yet, then Ok. Otherwise you are being as intellectually lazy as you are accusing others of being. Has a medical examiners report and cause if death been released? If so I’m interested. If not, you are not really being honest. Having watched many of your posts, I wouldn’t accuse you of being dishonest on purpose, but the results are the same.


(doing my best Lib immitation here)I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

That poor child! Those beasty border guards!

(back to reality) Of course, this little girl had just traveled all the way from Honduras or Guatemala, mostly on foot, little to no shelter, can't imagine she was well fed or hydrated. Then gets picked up in the desert...hadn't eaten in days....keels over from dehydration. Honestly, it's a miracle she made it that far. How many of you could do that trip? At any age? Maybe in your late teens, 20's...but what was she 8? 9?

Any thinking person puts this all on her parents. The truth is if you forced your kid to walk from coast to coast...same sort of conditions....even if they arrived alive you'd be tossed into jail and would never see them again. Ever!

But go ahead...blame the big bad border guards

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Dec 18, 2018 16:19:05   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
it is ridiculous the the United States has to go through this process for criminals. Build the wall.


Every time one of the lefties rants against the wall we need to ask them, “What is your solution to the thousands saved by our border control each year, the hundreds that die each year, and tons of drugs that cross the border each year?”

The wall is by no means the complete solution. But it is a vital part. We also need to change the mistaken legal position on the constitution of birth citizenship and solve the visa overstay problem. And change the amnesty claim law quoted above. Plus disallow voting by and benefits to illegals.

BTW I don’t like the liberal label because most are anything but. They are for bigger government and more control of US citizens (e.g. gun control). Although most claim to prefer socialism I’m sure they don’t know what that means. And they certainly aren’t progressive. The evidence is clear that the more socialist the country the worse off the citizens. With communism at the worst case end.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:23:42   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Little tommie at it again trying to sound important and failing. Listening to your BS is actually nauseating. It is clear you lack intelligence and resort to insults a 5 year old could deliver better, yet you persist in looking the fool. I think your experience is limited to relationships with pets, humans would avoid you like the plague.


If you are threatening to no longer listen to me, I think I can live with that.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:28:04   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
hondo812 wrote:
(doing my best Lib immitation here)I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

That poor child! Those beasty border guards!

(back to reality) Of course, this little girl had just traveled all the way from Honduras or Guatemala, mostly on foot, little to no shelter, can't imagine she was well fed or hydrated. Then gets picked up in the desert...hadn't eaten in days....keels over from dehydration. Honestly, it's a miracle she made it that far. How many of you could do that trip? At any age? Maybe in your late teens, 20's...but what was she 8? 9?

Any thinking person puts this all on her parents. The truth is if you forced your kid to walk from coast to coast...same sort of conditions....even if they arrived alive you'd be tossed into jail and would never see them again. Ever!

But go ahead...blame the big bad border guards
(doing my best Lib immitation here)I'm shocked! Sh... (show quote)


I said none of the things you are mocking. You are being dishonest. My position is wait till we know the cause of death.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:29:53   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
If you are threatening to no longer listen to me, I think I can live with that.


Little tommie, do you know how to read? Your answer to my post indicated you do not read, do not comprehend, or both.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:32:04   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
I said none of the things you are mocking. You are being dishonest. My position is wait till we know the cause of death.


Little tommie the cause of death is that her father drug a child from coast to coast without proper food and water. One would think a genius like you could figure that out. The father, unlike the lib fascist socialist dems on here does not blame the border patrol.

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Dec 18, 2018 16:46:44   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
You are talking out of your butt. You have no idea what the cause of death was. You have no idea what was involved in her getting to the USA.
You might be good as a medical taxi driver and “attendant” but neither job entitles you to diagnose children.


She walked from South America to North America O dim one...that’s how she got here.

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Dec 18, 2018 17:16:03   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
yhtomit wrote:
She walked from South America to North America O dim one...that’s how she got here.


Actually, I am pretty sure that's nearly impossible to do. There's a section of southern Panama and northern Columbia (Darien Gap) that doesn't have roads and is renown to be nearly impassable.

Also, they were from Central America.....Honduras or Guatemala or thereabouts.

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Dec 18, 2018 17:39:52   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
hondo812 wrote:
Actually, I am pretty sure that's nearly impossible to do. There's a section of southern Panama and northern Columbia (Darien Gap) that doesn't have roads and is renown to be nearly impassable.

Also, they were from Central America.....Honduras or Guatemala or thereabouts.


Damn! Thanks for correcting me hondo812.
Happy Merry.

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Dec 18, 2018 18:09:43   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
yhtomit wrote:
Damn! Thanks for correcting me hondo812.
Happy Merry.


Right back at ya yhtomit!

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Dec 18, 2018 18:31:09   #
hasslichhog
 
Burtzy wrote:
This has nothing to do with what you incorrectly call the "leftist" media. It has to do with families seeking a better life and with a government and President so isolationist and racist that they defy the Constitution and close the borders even at legal entry points to deter people seeking legitimate asylum. I am not a leftist as you will now presume. But I am a rational American who does not wear blinders and can see the way immigrants are being treated by the government.


Families may be seeking a better life, but these illegal aliens are abysmally ignorant...or uncaring...about the mortal dangers they put upon their kids. It is the illegal alien adults who are soley responsible for their kids' death, and no one else!

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Dec 18, 2018 18:34:16   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
My experience with persons who have had one has been mostly professional. Whatever her problem, and she certainly has one, I’m sure that isn’t really what it is. It was usually given to persons with dispositions much like her, and while it messed them up, they generally became quite passive. Whatever else she is or isn’t, she’s definitely not passive.


would you prefer that she be "passive"...Is that how you prefer your women??? good luck with that..get a muslim

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Dec 18, 2018 18:45:16   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Little tommie the cause of death is that her father drug a child from coast to coast without proper food and water. One would think a genius like you could figure that out. The father, unlike the lib fascist socialist dems on here does not blame the border patrol.



Is that what the medical examiner said?

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