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Dec 17, 2018 06:10:15   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I have an Epson R2880, which they may not make any more, but it does the best B&W of any printer I've had. The key is that they have 3 black inks - photo black, light black, and light light black.


My Epson P800 (17" bed) also uses the 3 blacks plus mat black. I've printed many B&Ws and they come out without color fringing or unwanted hues.

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Dec 17, 2018 06:39:25   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I like the Canon Pro 100 so much I purchased two. One for Austin and one for Midland. Next year I am going to get a Canon Pro 1000 for the black and white capability. I cannot say enough good about the Pro 100. The ink not being archival is the only thing to give me pause. The quality of the prints is over-the-top. Canon papers are good. The ink is good. A must use is the Canon Print Studio Pro. Don't even consider using anything else to print with. Print Studio Pro will work as a plugin to Photoshop CC, Lightroom and, Elements. The Canon tech support for printers is outstanding so don't hesitate to call them. They are knowledgeable and helpful. The ink is reasonably priced and I suggest buying extra as well as extra blacks. I like their metallic paper, especially for black and white. I bought the Pro 100 because of the smaller footprint than my Epson Pro 3880 which has been replaced by the Epson Pro 800. It was a toss up between Epson and Canon and I went with Canon because of pricing. What a good decision. Have fun printing.
blackest wrote:
Hi all,

I'm considering buying a printer, possibly the canon pro 100s, this might not be a good idea.
I love black & white and this is difficult for many printers they tend to mix magenta and cyan inks to attempt to get gray. I day attempt because often there is cyan in highlights and magenta in the shadows.

The best printers will use pigment inks rather than dye, this tends to give long life without fading, it also tends to make for clogged print heads, actually printhead in most cases If you get a clog on one color then you can end up replacing the whole print head.

Some printers can be adapted to run in third party gray inks (epson usually) but inks can be hard to obtain outside of the USA. Inks can be often treated as potential bombs and the post service often may refuse to carry ink (almost as bad as lithium batteries).

Why get a printer at all then?

Well there is the wonder of seeing your print appear before your eyes, its not the darkroom but ...
Of course that assumes there are no blockages, in which case it's an expensive mess.

If I don't self print then i don't need to match paper and ink. The clogged printhead is not my problem, I don't need to invest in the printer ensure I print often enough or buy expensive cartridges. It may be cheaper to get prints made professionally, i'm pretty much forced in that direction for photo books.

For the canon pro 100s it's looking to cost around €450 to start (sales tax bites), So i kind of want to do this but my head is saying leave it to the pros.
It might even be possible to get a deal if i can wait for prints, they have the same head cleaning issues i would face, so a print for me maybe cheaper than a cleaning cycle. Printer manufacturers are pretty shy about the costs of running their printers, the cost of cartridges and how much they will cover. often giving typical document useage (sure lots of pages for text but i'm covering a whole sheet). Apart from the margins, borderless printing will lead to overspray which may reach the waste ink tank or just lightly coat the printer. It may be better to allow for some 'bleed' if you want to crop the paper and not have white border showing, Mats are also a good choice.

So taking all this into consideration do i buy a printer and if so which one?

Christmas is coming and i have a handy bonus in hand :)
Hi all, br br I'm considering buying a printer, p... (show quote)

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Dec 17, 2018 06:39:38   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
Another vote for the Pro 100. I was doing black and whites yesterday, some mountain views in the Alps. Stunning picture quality

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Dec 17, 2018 06:58:29   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My favorite printer for black and white photos is my Canon TS9020. It has 6 cartridges, two black, one grey and three color. Only problem is it's limited to 8.5 X 11, which is not a problem for me; I never print B&W larger.


You know how canon likes to rename things in different areas of the world, i eventually found it is known as the ts9050 in this part of the world.

I think it maybe just what i need, ok it will not do A3 but 8 by 10 is a good size.

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Dec 17, 2018 06:59:25   #
dumbo
 
I did some research on your behalf, Sir. Why not just get out of the rut of Ink Jets & Clogged Printer Heads?
We have a HP B&W Laser Jet printer. Produces top notch B&W prints.
Here's the current best B&W Printer. HP - LaserJet Pro MFP M130nw Wireless Black-and-White All-In-One Printer - White Model:G3Q58A
Cost US $ 139.99 It's highly rated. 95% recommend this printer to a friend. Good luck.

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Dec 17, 2018 07:09:39   #
whwiden
 
Pablo8 wrote:
I have an Epson R3000 Printer. It has Photo Black..Light Black and Light-Light Black, also Matt Black. (useful for Matt or art-texture papers). One can select just the Mono-inks for printing, plus a cool. normal or warm look, tones. Pigment Inks.


I can highly recommend the Epson R3000. I print a lot of B&W. My local photo store uses larger Epson printers. When I want I larger B&W print, I use them but u must be careful that the operator change the settings for a B&W print. Otherwise, you may get a slight color cast. I give specific instructions, and sometimes go in the back room and show the operator how to do it. My choice of paper is very limited at the photo store because the printers are loaded with large rolls of Epson photo lustre. I like to use other papers, and find flexibility with the home printer. I think you want one black for glossy and a different one for matte. And, you want to be able to use a special profile designed for each different paper.

I do not know what the current Epson version of the R3000 may be but I would look at that.

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Dec 17, 2018 07:32:51   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
The Pro-100 is on sale at B&H until Dec. 31 with a $250 rebate, net cost a little over $100. Going to order one this week. They include 5 colors plus 3 bw for excellent bw prints, plus s sample pack of papers. Of course, the ink replacements and paper will cost me over the years, but this is the one everyone recommends.

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Dec 17, 2018 07:32:54   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Ok i have the option of the canon pro 100 or the pixma ts 9055 ones half the cost of the other A3+ v A4 8ink v 6 ink

do i save my money and get the A4 or splash out on the A3?

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Dec 17, 2018 07:48:10   #
spraguead Loc: Boston, MA
 
I've always had good luck with the Epson printers. I've been in the design business for years so I'm pretty picky about color and tonal quality and the Epsons I've had have always produced good results, just note that you will need to test and get a feel for the output as I've never been able to use printer files that will match my calibrated screen exactly. Black and white prints from my camera as well as scans from old photos have always turned out great.

Another quality to consider is not only how the photos look today, but how long they'll continue to look good. The Epson inks hold up quite well over time, maybe others have experience about Canon they can share on this area. I've got photos on the wall, printed either on the premium Epson papers, or on D'arches watercolor paper and they're still beautiful after almost 15 years.

I'm also in the market to replace an older model and noticed that B and H has the Epson SureColor P400 that nets out under $400 with rebate.

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Dec 17, 2018 08:23:13   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
burkphoto wrote:
As an ex-lab guy who ran both silver halide printing operations and inkjet printing operations (and electrostatic and dye sub...), I have to say the answer comes down to this set of questions:

What sort of volume do you anticipate, and with what sort of frequency are you going to want to print? How important are controls over color, privacy, paper stocks, and time? Do you want the best archival results? Do you want to print directly from Lightroom so you get the widest possible color gamut? How good is your monitor, and do you calibrate it and profile it monthly with hardware and software from X-Rite or Datacolor?

For Black-and-White, I'd prefer one of the Epson P-Series — The P400 has two black inks, plus Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Red, Orange, and a Gloss Optimizer. That's so it can print on both glossy and matte surfaces. The larger P-Series printers use a more advanced configuration for a wider color gamut and finer B&W gradation. They're pricey, but pretty amazing.

For most hobbyists or pros who need to do some in-house printing, the Canon Pro-100 is fine for what it is — a great value. I don't have one, but have seen excellent results from them. This forum may help you decide:

https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Professional-Photo-Printers/PRO-100-True-B-amp-W-Prints/td-p/36347
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I have the Epson P600. It has 3 blacks and does exceptional black and white prints. That is 3 blacks pus matt black.

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Dec 17, 2018 08:37:08   #
lehighjack Loc: somewhere in FL
 
I have owned a Canon Pro 100 for over two years. I keep it plugged in and print (mostly) color only every three or four months, printing three to five 13 x 19 inch and two or three 11 x 14 inch prints. i have replaced some of my Canon cartridges twice. The KEY is that I have not had a clog or ANY issue with this printer and the results are (IMO) high quality. Canon tech service fro Printers is superb. I use two MX922 printers and recently had an issue (in warranty)where the printer would not print. After five minutes with a support person, who replaced the printer and all I had to do is pack the defective unit and ship it via UPS back to Canon at no charge. BTW, the MX922 does decent photo printing and excellent document printing and high quality scanning, both photo and documents. I use only Canon inks, there are third party inks available at a lower price, BUT it is not worth taking a chance. You can get some objective info about the Pro 100 on the Red River Paper website. I use their papers and Canon's depending on size and finish. RRP also provides color profiles for its papers for best output. Good luck, maybe Canon may have a rebate special with paper shortly.

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Dec 17, 2018 08:37:52   #
rond-photography Loc: Connecticut
 
I am not clear if you really need a printer or are just trying to convince yourself to buy one!
Anyway, I have a Pro-100 and a few years experience so I will try to guide you a little.

1. Do you really need to print? 450€ should buy a lot of prints. Cost per print to do it yourself is not substantially less than a print house will charge. I often wait for a sale at Nations Photo Labs here in the states, where I get a really great deal and it is not worth me using my (expensive) ink. When there is a sale, I will order a bunch of prints I need in various sizes and the order totals enough for free shipping. If I need prints on short notice, or just want to do a one off of some creation, I print at home.
As for print quality of the Canon, when I look at my inventory, I can't tell you which ones I printed and which I ordered online.

2. Don't even think about after market inks. I tried that and had very bad luck with poor colors. Since I changed back to Canon inks, I consistently get excellent prints.
Maybe it was the particular supplier, but I don't have the money to experiment again. In the USA, Canon often throws in some free "gift" if you order above a certain quantity. I laugh that the box containing 3 ink cartridges is the size of a microwave oven, and the shipping is free!
I had the thought of counting all the used ink cartridges in my box waiting to be taken to a recycler and calculating what I have spent on ink over the 3 years I have had the printer, but I am afraid to see the result!

3. The Canon has black, grey, and light grey inks, so printing in black and white doesn't use colors.
However, I think the only way to get guaranteed use of those inks for black and white is to use the plugin for Adobe that Canon supplies - Print Studio Pro. It allows you to set the color
profile to Black and White.

The issue I had with colors being off on non-Canon inks was often in the black and white prints. I just could not get them to print without a color cast. It is possible that printing direct from LR or PS you can't get it to truly use the b&w mode. Advice: ALWAYS print using Print Studio Pro. Much more control of the result, and you can use any size paper you want. If not using that program, Canon does not acknowledge that there are standard paper sizes, such as 11X14, so you have to do a lot of fiddling to print normal prints.

If you are not using PS or LR, I am not sure what to tell you - it appears that the only way you can access the program is via the plugin to Adobe. When I tried to use the other software that comes with the printer to print (bypassing the plugin) I did not get the same options and was unable to print on a note card (7X10) since it is not a "standard" size, and so I ended up going back to PS to print.

4. If you do decide to buy it, watch for sales first. I got mine for about half price, after rebate.

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Dec 17, 2018 08:50:11   #
Goldyrock
 
I have a Canon Pro 100. Do you want to sell some of your empty cartridges? Thank you.

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Dec 17, 2018 09:57:34   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
First, you're aren't going to save any money by operating your own high end printer. Inks are expensive and it's not worth taking a chance on cheap replacement inks. I have used Epson printers for many years. I don't think they can be beaten. I currently use an Epson Stylus Photo R3000. Black and whites are exactly as I want them. There are 4 different Black cartridges for the printer. The very few times a print head has become blocked, they can be easily cleared by either running a single colour image (google for these) which forces that colour ink through the head, or getting someone to come to your home and do a thorough cleaning for you. There isn't any need to replace the print heads. Regardless, I will stress that good printers are costly and they don't last forever. But if want control over your own images, then that's the way to go.
blackest wrote:
Hi all,

I'm considering buying a printer, possibly the canon pro 100s, this might not be a good idea.
I love black & white and this is difficult for many printers they tend to mix magenta and cyan inks to attempt to get gray. I day attempt because often there is cyan in highlights and magenta in the shadows.

The best printers will use pigment inks rather than dye, this tends to give long life without fading, it also tends to make for clogged print heads, actually printhead in most cases If you get a clog on one color then you can end up replacing the whole print head.

Some printers can be adapted to run in third party gray inks (epson usually) but inks can be hard to obtain outside of the USA. Inks can be often treated as potential bombs and the post service often may refuse to carry ink (almost as bad as lithium batteries).

Why get a printer at all then?

Well there is the wonder of seeing your print appear before your eyes, its not the darkroom but ...
Of course that assumes there are no blockages, in which case it's an expensive mess.

If I don't self print then i don't need to match paper and ink. The clogged printhead is not my problem, I don't need to invest in the printer ensure I print often enough or buy expensive cartridges. It may be cheaper to get prints made professionally, i'm pretty much forced in that direction for photo books.

For the canon pro 100s it's looking to cost around €450 to start (sales tax bites), So i kind of want to do this but my head is saying leave it to the pros.
It might even be possible to get a deal if i can wait for prints, they have the same head cleaning issues i would face, so a print for me maybe cheaper than a cleaning cycle. Printer manufacturers are pretty shy about the costs of running their printers, the cost of cartridges and how much they will cover. often giving typical document useage (sure lots of pages for text but i'm covering a whole sheet). Apart from the margins, borderless printing will lead to overspray which may reach the waste ink tank or just lightly coat the printer. It may be better to allow for some 'bleed' if you want to crop the paper and not have white border showing, Mats are also a good choice.

So taking all this into consideration do i buy a printer and if so which one?

Christmas is coming and i have a handy bonus in hand :)
Hi all, br br I'm considering buying a printer, p... (show quote)

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Dec 17, 2018 10:08:12   #
johntaylor333
 
blackest wrote:
Hi all,

I'm considering buying a printer, possibly the canon pro 100s, this might not be a good idea.
I love black & white and this is difficult for many printers they tend to mix magenta and cyan inks to attempt to get gray. I day attempt because often there is cyan in highlights and magenta in the shadows.

The best printers will use pigment inks rather than dye, this tends to give long life without fading, it also tends to make for clogged print heads, actually printhead in most cases If you get a clog on one color then you can end up replacing the whole print head.

Some printers can be adapted to run in third party gray inks (epson usually) but inks can be hard to obtain outside of the USA. Inks can be often treated as potential bombs and the post service often may refuse to carry ink (almost as bad as lithium batteries).

Why get a printer at all then?

Well there is the wonder of seeing your print appear before your eyes, its not the darkroom but ...
Of course that assumes there are no blockages, in which case it's an expensive mess.

If I don't self print then i don't need to match paper and ink. The clogged printhead is not my problem, I don't need to invest in the printer ensure I print often enough or buy expensive cartridges. It may be cheaper to get prints made professionally, i'm pretty much forced in that direction for photo books.

For the canon pro 100s it's looking to cost around €450 to start (sales tax bites), So i kind of want to do this but my head is saying leave it to the pros.
It might even be possible to get a deal if i can wait for prints, they have the same head cleaning issues i would face, so a print for me maybe cheaper than a cleaning cycle. Printer manufacturers are pretty shy about the costs of running their printers, the cost of cartridges and how much they will cover. often giving typical document useage (sure lots of pages for text but i'm covering a whole sheet). Apart from the margins, borderless printing will lead to overspray which may reach the waste ink tank or just lightly coat the printer. It may be better to allow for some 'bleed' if you want to crop the paper and not have white border showing, Mats are also a good choice.

So taking all this into consideration do i buy a printer and if so which one?

Christmas is coming and i have a handy bonus in hand :)
Hi all, br br I'm considering buying a printer, p... (show quote)


The Canon Pro-100 is perfect if you want to do black and white as it has black, grey and light grey cartridges, as well as 5 colored ones.

Don't know about Ireland but you can often get it here for about $350 with a $250 cash back from Canon. Making it the best deal out there. Right now B&H has it for $360 with $250 rebate (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/893738-REG/Canon_6228b002_Pixma_Pro_100_Photo_Inkjet.html). The rebate is only good in the USA, but I presume you have similar rebates in Europe.

Good luck

I've used the same printer for about 3 years and never had a single clog, despite very sporadic usage. Quality is wonderful.

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