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My 2018 Rant - Close-up / Macro Flower Photographs; Competition Entries
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Dec 4, 2018 11:13:51   #
BB4A
 
Thanks All, for your positive feedback. I was told it was a “Flowers in Nature” competition by the other judges (I assumed I was just a guest judge, rather than the real thing!). All went fine until I delivered my first cut of “Prize Winners” and “Suggested Disqualification”. As several have observed above, I included the obvious fakes in the latter pile... and found out that I had disqualified several of the other judges pics, or their favorites/students pics.

Oh well, I stuck to my guns and tried to explain why I made the decisions I did. I will see if I get invited back as guest judge, next year? 😉

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Dec 4, 2018 11:21:36   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
BB4A wrote:
Thanks All, for your positive feedback. I was told it was a “Flowers in Nature” competition by the other judges (I assumed I was just a guest judge, rather than the real thing!). All went fine until I delivered my first cut of “Prize Winners” and “Suggested Disqualification”. As several have observed above, I included the obvious fakes in the latter pile... and found out that I had disqualified several of the other judges pics, or their favorites/students pics.

Oh well, I stuck to my guns and tried to explain why I made the decisions I did. I will see if I get invited back as guest judge, next year? 😉
Thanks All, for your positive feedback. I was told... (show quote)


Understand totally. As noted by earlier post, if it is a truly "nature" photography contest, then any evidence of "the hand of man" should have disqualified those entries. If they don't invite you back, then it's not a true nature contest and they should just title it "Flowers".

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Dec 4, 2018 15:26:26   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Fotomacher wrote:
I am an Image Creator who uses photographic techniques and equipment to capture the beginning of my final products.

I do the exact same thing for my Photoghaphic Art.
The only way I would ever enter any of my Art, or the photogaphs from which I created that Art, is if it's a people choice competition.

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Dec 4, 2018 16:29:27   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
Well said. I share your views. Thank you.

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Dec 4, 2018 17:04:55   #
MichaelEBM Loc: Los Angeles CA
 
Fotomacher wrote:
I am an Image Creator who uses photographic techniques and equipment to capture the beginning of my final products.


What a beautiful and succinct quote. In my own small way, that's what I've been doing but never had your elegant words to describe my process, even to myself. I'm going to "borrow" those words as a description of myself! So glad I found UHH!

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Dec 4, 2018 17:54:11   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
BB4A wrote:
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just have to get it out there or burst.

I was recently invited to help judge a Close-up &/or Macro Flower Photography Competition. I was delighted to be asked... until I started looking through the photographs themselves. Nearly 50% of the images were of flowers arbitrarily sprayed with water droplets. So, I started disqualifying every photograph that I believed was “artificially enhanced” by photographers with a camera in one hand, and a spray bottle in the other.

I realize that “water droplets on flowers” is a common exercise for those being taught photography, but it seems that some of the guidance might be a bit hit and miss? My perspective (and I freely apologize in advance, as I’m often wrong):

1. If you really must spray a flower for a photograph, PLEASE gently & lightly spray the whole flower and surrounding leaves from one direction only, preferably above? It looks SO phony when the flower has lots of droplets all over every petal... but projections on the stem, and surrounding leaves are dry as a bone in a desert. FAKE!

2. In the art of photographing flowers, less is so often more. True of water droplets as well. Consider dripping a few drops from above, rather than spraying using the “flower under a shower head approach”. FAKE!

3. Lastly, Lighting that shot. If your intention is to depict a flower (a) at Dawn, with the dew still upon it, or (b) after a Summer Shower, then make sure your lighting is NATURAL and appropriate. Low angle for Dawn shots, diffused for Summer Showers, or a beam from the Sun peaking through clouds... think about your concept and initiate, plan, and execute accordingly. Ideally, be outside (shock, horror, yes, in Natural Light!) at Dawn or directly after the rain, to capture the shot. Think of your sense of achievement in capturing the moment. Anything else when artificially lighting a flower, can tend to make the subject look a bit fake, even when it isn’t.

Apologies again, Rant over for 2018. I awarded the prizes to some wonderful photographs... none of which had a fake raindrop / dewdrop anywhere in shot.
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just... (show quote)


Your rant is only acceptable if you post the full contest requirements. Only then can anyone determine if they are valid.

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Dec 4, 2018 18:17:03   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
dsmeltz wrote:
It depends. Just like spraying water. If you spray water well and it looks like it should be there, no problem from me. But if it looks fake or forced, good bye. Just like with too much PP, extra plants from the wrong environment or lighting that does not quite match up. Anything can be overdone or done badly. I get the impression that the OP is really upset with all of the badly done spraying encountered.
So, in the final analysis, who determines what is well done spraying and what is fake spraying. And don't tell me Trump decides it.


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Dec 4, 2018 18:30:19   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rplain1 wrote:
So, in the final analysis, who determines what is well done spraying and what is fake spraying. And don't tell me Trump decides it.



Well, let's see - it's a judged competition. Could it possibly be the judges?

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Dec 4, 2018 18:38:22   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
BB4A wrote:
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just have to get it out there or burst.

I was recently invited to help judge a Close-up &/or Macro Flower Photography Competition. I was delighted to be asked... until I started looking through the photographs themselves. Nearly 50% of the images were of flowers arbitrarily sprayed with water droplets. So, I started disqualifying every photograph that I believed was “artificially enhanced” by photographers with a camera in one hand, and a spray bottle in the other.
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just... (show quote)


You know I don't care if blue light has been shined on the item, dirt or leaves scattered on it, inverted, polarized, burned, dodged, color altered, sharpened, whatever. It is how the image strikes me, is it creative, does it evoke a feeling, and so forth. The last thing I would worry about is whether or not a spray bottle was used to enhance the image. The cactus garden shot is not "fake" but rather real raindrops on our cactus garden in Arizona.


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Dec 4, 2018 18:45:24   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Well, let's see - it's a judged competition. Could it possibly be the judges?
And if you are one of the judges, can you tell if it is well done? Or fake? What is your criteria?

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Dec 4, 2018 18:52:40   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rplain1 wrote:
And if you are one of the judges, can you tell if it is well done? Or fake? What is your criteria?


The OP seemed to feel as a judge that he could tell if it was fake - he discussed some of his criteria - did you even read his first post? But then some of the other judges disagreed. Majority rules.

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Dec 4, 2018 20:37:02   #
Treborteko1 Loc: New Jersey
 
BB4A wrote:
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just have to get it out there or burst.

I was recently invited to help judge a Close-up &/or Macro Flower Photography Competition. I was delighted to be asked... until I started looking through the photographs themselves. Nearly 50% of the images were of flowers arbitrarily sprayed with water droplets. So, I started disqualifying every photograph that I believed was “artificially enhanced” by photographers with a camera in one hand, and a spray bottle in the other.

I realize that “water droplets on flowers” is a common exercise for those being taught photography, but it seems that some of the guidance might be a bit hit and miss? My perspective (and I freely apologize in advance, as I’m often wrong):

1. If you really must spray a flower for a photograph, PLEASE gently & lightly spray the whole flower and surrounding leaves from one direction only, preferably above? It looks SO phony when the flower has lots of droplets all over every petal... but projections on the stem, and surrounding leaves are dry as a bone in a desert. FAKE!

2. In the art of photographing flowers, less is so often more. True of water droplets as well. Consider dripping a few drops from above, rather than spraying using the “flower under a shower head approach”. FAKE!

3. Lastly, Lighting that shot. If your intention is to depict a flower (a) at Dawn, with the dew still upon it, or (b) after a Summer Shower, then make sure your lighting is NATURAL and appropriate. Low angle for Dawn shots, diffused for Summer Showers, or a beam from the Sun peaking through clouds... think about your concept and initiate, plan, and execute accordingly. Ideally, be outside (shock, horror, yes, in Natural Light!) at Dawn or directly after the rain, to capture the shot. Think of your sense of achievement in capturing the moment. Anything else when artificially lighting a flower, can tend to make the subject look a bit fake, even when it isn’t.

Apologies again, Rant over for 2018. I awarded the prizes to some wonderful photographs... none of which had a fake raindrop / dewdrop anywhere in shot.
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just... (show quote)

BB4A, kudos to you. I have been to many happy weddings, as well as, unfortunately to many sad funerals. Not to mention that I worked one summer for a florist, and ya know what? No raindrops on their pedals! Numerous photo contest flowers but not a single drop. What's up?

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Dec 4, 2018 20:52:51   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
BB4A wrote:
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just have to get it out there or burst.

I was recently invited to help judge a Close-up &/or Macro Flower Photography Competition. I was delighted to be asked... until I started looking through the photographs themselves. Nearly 50% of the images were of flowers arbitrarily sprayed with water droplets. So, I started disqualifying every photograph that I believed was “artificially enhanced” by photographers with a camera in one hand, and a spray bottle in the other.

I realize that “water droplets on flowers” is a common exercise for those being taught photography, but it seems that some of the guidance might be a bit hit and miss? My perspective (and I freely apologize in advance, as I’m often wrong):

1. If you really must spray a flower for a photograph, PLEASE gently & lightly spray the whole flower and surrounding leaves from one direction only, preferably above? It looks SO phony when the flower has lots of droplets all over every petal... but projections on the stem, and surrounding leaves are dry as a bone in a desert. FAKE!

2. In the art of photographing flowers, less is so often more. True of water droplets as well. Consider dripping a few drops from above, rather than spraying using the “flower under a shower head approach”. FAKE!

3. Lastly, Lighting that shot. If your intention is to depict a flower (a) at Dawn, with the dew still upon it, or (b) after a Summer Shower, then make sure your lighting is NATURAL and appropriate. Low angle for Dawn shots, diffused for Summer Showers, or a beam from the Sun peaking through clouds... think about your concept and initiate, plan, and execute accordingly. Ideally, be outside (shock, horror, yes, in Natural Light!) at Dawn or directly after the rain, to capture the shot. Think of your sense of achievement in capturing the moment. Anything else when artificially lighting a flower, can tend to make the subject look a bit fake, even when it isn’t.

Apologies again, Rant over for 2018. I awarded the prizes to some wonderful photographs... none of which had a fake raindrop / dewdrop anywhere in shot.
Sorry, but this is my Only Rant for 2018... I just... (show quote)



You will probably not like this one, however, no spray was used except the garden watering the plants.


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Dec 4, 2018 20:59:58   #
Treborteko1 Loc: New Jersey
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
You will probably not like this one, however, no spray was used except the garden watering the plants.


Didn't say there weren't exceptions...:)

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Dec 5, 2018 08:46:51   #
BB4A
 
Apologies, BB4A’s UHH Account was hacked by Krampus.

Normal service will be resumed shortly. In the meanwhile, do not adjust your internet connected device.

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